Is Christianity Monotheistic or has it become a Polytheistic religion?

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You believe in Oneness because of "revelation + the bible", sorry but I don't think God chose you to reveal this special doctrine, contrary to what most churches believe. Thousands of theologians who would know and understand the bible a whole lot better than you would disagree re: the bible not supporting the Trinity. Yet they must all be wrong hey because you had a special revelation from God?
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I never said God called me to reveal the truth of Oneness, whoever it is truth regardless of who agrees or disagrees. I have found in my studies that the majority is usually wrong




The thing you have in common is that they all deny the Trinity. You join the rank and file of every sect and cult that has strayed from orthodox christianity.
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Like i said the teaching of the Trinity has more in common with what the Jehovah witnesses or Mormons teach. I have no problem with the term unothodox, matter of fact I embrace it. You show me one verse of scripture that says the belief of the Trinity is essential to Salvation.




You mean you believe in yourself over me and my church, and most church denominations.
How am I supposed to know that "God told you" wasn't you being in a delusional state after or during a 30 day fast? Lack of food can do strange things to people. You can be misled without telling everyone else emphatically that they are wrong -about a belief (the Trinity) that is a standard doctrine in most church denominations.
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You do not even know what I was fasting, because i didn't say your assuptions have got the best of you. The Trinity is not scriptural, regardless of what denomination it is standard doctrine in.

So much for not "following any pastor", as you seem to believe .. you want us to follow you!.
You want us all to bow to your views, because you had this "special revelation". It's pride which causes you to tell everyone else they are wrong who believe in church doctrines (eg the Trinity) that have been believed by christianity for 2000 years.
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Follow whatever you want, it is of no consequence to me. However I will follow God's word. The trinity was not invented until the 4th century.
 
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I never said God called me to reveal the truth of Oneness, whoever it is truth regardless of who agrees or disagrees. I have found in my studies that the majority is usually wrong
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"the majority is usually wrong" is really no basis for proving or disproving whether a doctrine is right or not.







Like i said the teaching of the Trinity has more in common with what the Jehovah witnesses or Mormons teach. I have no problem with the term unothodox, matter of fact I embrace it.
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Sure, christian churches have a lot in common with JW and Mormons. But these cults deny the Trinity, as do you.



You show me one verse of scripture that says the belief of the Trinity is essential to Salvation
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So we can believe in anything we like that is not essential to salvation is that what you are implying ? But it is almost implied that a person who knows God would understand something about His Trinitarian nature. The question to ask is how can anyone who is saved not believe in the Trinity?







You do not even know what I was fasting, because i didn't say your assuptions have got the best of you. The Trinity is not scriptural, regardless of what denomination it is standard doctrine in.
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Are you bending the truth a little about doing a 30 day fast? Because a fast is normally understood to be food. Tell me you weren't exaggerating to make yourself appear more spiritual than you really are.






Follow whatever you want, it is of no consequence to me. However I will follow God's word. The trinity was not invented until the 4th century.
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And the reformation didn't occur until the early 1500's. People like you put the reformation in the first few centuaries to try and justify their false doctrines.
 
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"the majority is usually wrong" is really no basis for proving or disproving whether a doctrine is right or not.
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Nope what the majority think does not make them right or wrong, however when scripture opposes the majority, i will go with scripture you can side with the majority.


Sure, christian churches have a lot in common with JW and Mormons. But these cults deny the Trinity, as do you.
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Irrelevant.



So we can believe in anything we like that is not essential to salvation is that what you are implying ? But it is almost implied that a person who knows God would understand something about His Trinitarian nature.
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You can believe whatever you want God is one So understand the trinity has nothing to do with understanding God. Tghe trinity is a doctrine of men and nothing more.

The question to ask is how can anyone who is saved not believe in the Trinity?
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Because they understand scripture


Are you bending the truth a little about doing a 30 day fast? Because a fast is normally understood to be food. Tell me you weren't exaggerating to make yourself appear more spiritual than you really are
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My post to sonofjay was 100% true, your assumptions are the real delusion here.


And the reformation didn't occur until the early 1500's. People like you put the reformation in the first few centuaries to try and justify their false doctrines.
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You really are lost the reformers did not create the doctrine of the Trinity Catholics did.
 
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Nope what the majority think does not make them right or wrong, however when scripture opposes the majority, i will go with scripture you can side with the majority.
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The funny thing is, scripture doesn't oppose the majority. That's why most denominations believe in the Trinity, including protestants. Luther or Calvin could have easily done away with the Trinity doctrine as well if they wanted to, or found it was wrong, but they didn't.







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Sure, christian churches have a lot in common with JW and Mormons. But these cults deny the Trinity, as do you.



It is relevant, because you are doing the same thing these have done. Substitute your own relevation for what is accepted in mainstream christianity. So no light bulb has ever gone off in your mind that with most others believing in the Trinity, you could possibly be wrong?





You can believe whatever you want God is one So understand the trinity has nothing to do with understanding God. Tghe trinity is a doctrine of men and nothing more.
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The thing is people who know and uderstand God generally believe in the Trinity. It's the ones who don't , like JW's etc who deny the Trinity.





My post to sonofjay was 100% true, your assumptions are the real delusion here.
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You stated you did a 30 day fast, which you know as well as anyone is normally understood to be food. Then you sort of deny that it was food, claiming I don't know what sort of fast it was. I can only assume it was food. Then be honest, what did you fast then, was it brussel sprouts?
If it is food, then I ask you again, how am I or anyone supposed to know you weren't simply delusional from lack of food?




You really are lost the reformers did not create the doctrine of the Trinity Catholics did.
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I meant, you make out that they were all wrong back in the early centuaries and feel there is something to be fixed or corrected. That's your own little make-believe reformation I'm afraid. Not even Luther or Calvin thought the Trinity was wrong.
 
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You are wrong, period, you blindly follow doctrine, you do not even care about the truth.

It is one thing to believe something but it is another to be so indoctrinated that God can no longer teach you.
 
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You are wrong, period, you blindly follow doctrine, you do not even care about the truth.

It is one thing to believe something but it is another to be so indoctrinated that God can no longer teach you.
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If you mean "God teach me" aka onwings and his 30 day "fast" experience...no , I won't be taught by a heretic.
 
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If you mean "God teach me" aka onwings and his 30 day "fast" experience...no , I won't be taught by a heretic.
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No when I mean God teach, I mean let the Holy Spirit lead you into all truths. If you let go of what you think you know and allow Him to He will.
 
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No when I mean God teach, I mean let the Holy Spirit lead you into all truths. If you let go of what you think you know and allow Him to He will.
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With the presumption that the Spirit will reveal the same things you claim He did to you right? If He doesn't tell me the Trinity is wrong, would you claim it was God that told me and you are wrong? No I doubt you would.
 
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With the presumption that the Spirit will reveal the same things you claim He did to you right? If He doesn't tell me the Trinity is wrong, would you claim it was God that told me and you are wrong? No I doubt you would.
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Open yourself to God and see what He tells you.
 
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Over 20 years as a christian, God has told me through His Word that the Trinity doctrine is right. What do you say about that?
 
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Over 20 years as a christian, God has told me through His Word that the Trinity doctrine is right. What do you say about that?
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I dont believe you. I believe that is what you learned in the church not through study of God's word being sensitive to the teaching of His Spirit.
 
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Of course you wouldn't believe me. Because if you did, it would mean you didn't hear from God and are wrong. So there's really no point telling me to "open myself to God", when you are not prepared to listen to what God might or might not say. You would only accept it when what "God says" agrees with your doctrine.
 
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Of course you wouldn't believe me. Because if you did, it would mean you didn't hear from God and are wrong. So there's really no point telling me to "open myself to God", when you are not prepared to listen to what God might or might not say. You would only accept it when what "God says" agrees with your doctrine.
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This is where you are wrong, My doctrine was the Trinity just like yours, until God told me different. I hear and understand God's voice, and if you really wanted truth instead of just doctrine, you might open your heart to what God wants to tell you.
 
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How do you know it was God telling you different? Normally I'd reject a teaching that contradicts the bible because it is not God speaking. I hear and understand God's voice too, just like any other christian who believes in the Trinity and just as importantly (because "hearing from God" is so subjective) I understand God's Word, listen to the bible, and pay attention when the majority of bible scholars, churches etc show that the Trinity is what the bible teaches. Even common sense tells me, when I read the bible, that God is triune in nature. It makes no sense God talking to Himself all the time if Jesus was the Father etc.
 
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How do you know it was God telling you different? Normally I'd reject a teaching that contradicts the bible because it is not God speaking.
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Normally you would reject a teaching that contradicts the Bible? That is pretty crazy you should always 100% of the time reject a teaching that contradicts the Bible. I know it was God because I am His sheep and His sheep know His voice. You worship a false doctrine rather than God, that is why you cannot hear His voice, that is why you accept the doctrine even though it contradicts scripture.
 
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Normally you would reject a teaching that contradicts the Bible? That is pretty crazy you should always 100% of the time reject a teaching that contradicts the Bible. I know it was God because I am His sheep and His sheep know His voice. You worship a false doctrine rather than God, that is why you cannot hear His voice, that is why you accept the doctrine even though it contradicts scripture.
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Referring to hearing God's voice subjectively I meant. If "God told me" the trinity was wrong, and I knew the bible taught the Trinity, I would reject that voice as not being from God. Obviously you failed that test in discernment. It's clear your doctrine was based upon your subjective experiences and so you claim you hear His voice like every other heretic that's come up with false doctrines. What did you feel, goosebumps up your spine? or a booming voice from the clouds? , tingle in your toes? or a bit of paranoia associated with your 30 day fast? So it's only your pride which makes you think you are the only one who hears His voice, and that all the Trinitarians could not possibly have heard God's voice telling them that the Trinity is true. But here's a list of all the faith groups that reject the Trinity:

http://christianity.about.com/od/christiandoctrines/tp/denytrinity.htm

Maybe you should add your name to the bottom?

The fact is the Trinity doesn't contradict scripture. The Triune nature of God is seen throughout the old and new testaments.
 
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And here's what seems to be a useful website , complete with cited sources, where he goes into the original meanings and really pulls the texts apart to refute claims of Oneness/modalist etc.

http://www.gospeloutreach.net/optrin.html

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Another such prooftext is John 5:43, where Jesus rebukes the Jews: "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him." Oneness writers consistently interpret "in My Father's name" as meaning that Jesus' name is the Father's name (i.e., Jesus is the Father). (16) However, the expression "in the name of" here clearly means "in the authority of"; thus the person whom Jesus warned would come "in his own name" will come with "no credentials but his own claim." (17)
 
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Referring to hearing God's voice subjectively I meant. If "God told me" the trinity was wrong, and I knew the bible taught the Trinity
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Your problems starts with the assumption the bible teaches the Trinity, It does not.
 
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The trinitarian concept of different parts making up a whole is also seen in creation, in the union between man and woman becoming "one flesh", in the "spirit, soul, body" nature of man, who is made in God's image, three parts, making up a whole.
 
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