We can all be considered spiritual Israel, but if you refuse to accept specific blessings as prophesied which concern the nation of Israel, you must dismiss huge swathes of what is plainly written
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We can all be considered spiritual Israel, but if you refuse to accept specific blessings as prophesied which concern the nation of Israel, you must dismiss huge swathes of what is plainly written
Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LordAlmighty, they will have no rain. [SUP]18 [/SUP]If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord[SUP][b][/SUP] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking potsin the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite[SUP][c][/SUP] in the house of the Lord Almighty. Zech 14:16-21
[SUP]20 [/SUP]On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking potsin the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite[SUP][c][/SUP] in the house of the Lord Almighty. Zech 14:16-21
he days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman
and the planter by the one treading grapes.
New wine will drip from the mountains
and flow from all the hills,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] and I will bring my people Israel back from exile.[SUP][f][/SUP]
“They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them.
They will plant vineyards and drink their wine;
they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]I will plant Israel in their own land,
never again to be uprooted
from the land I have given them,”
says the Lord your God Amos 9:13-15
However, as you refuse to accept the plain words of the prophets of God, I realise anything I write will be pointless
“when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman
and the planter by the one treading grapes.
New wine will drip from the mountains
and flow from all the hills,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] and I will bring my people Israel back from exile.[SUP][f][/SUP]
“They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them.
They will plant vineyards and drink their wine;
they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]I will plant Israel in their own land,
never again to be uprooted
from the land I have given them,”
says the Lord your God Amos 9:13-15
However, as you refuse to accept the plain words of the prophets of God, I realise anything I write will be pointless
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Sophia
Guest
Is the Millenial Kingdom not the inheritance of Christ?
How can we, as His Body, be not right there in this prophecy?
Are we not adopted sons and daughters?
Far be it.
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Sophia
Guest
Are we not also citizens of the same Kingdom? The physical promises we have been engrafted into, and we will be emigrated into: fulfilled in the Coming Kingdom.
As you refuse to acknowledge the huge swathes of scripture put before you I will leave it there. It is pointless to continue, I could give you much more scripture but you would only refuse to accept it. It is spiritual truth of the prophets of God, as opposed to the natural reasoning of the mind of man. Never the twain shall meet
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Sophia
Guest
You refuse to acknowledge what Christ has granted you. It is not I who is refusing anything. I accept all those Scriptures gladly, and claim them as my own through Christ.
There is no separation. The dividing wall is brought down.
Do not stay in the old dispensation. We have been brought in!
In those days and at that time,
when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I will gather all nations
and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat.[SUP][b][/SUP]
There I will put them on trial
for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel,
because they scattered my people among the nations
and divided up my land.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]They cast lots for my people
and traded boys for prostitutes;
they sold girls for wine to drink.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Now what have you against me, Tyre and Sidon and all you regions of Philistia? Are you repaying me for something I have done? If you are paying me back, I will swiftly and speedily return on your own heads what you have done. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For you took my silver and my gold and carried off my finest treasures to your temples.[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]6 [/SUP]You sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks, that you might send them far from their homeland.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“See, I am going to rouse them out of the places to which you sold them, and I will return on your own heads what you have done. [SUP]8 [/SUP]I will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, a nation far away.” The Lord has spoken.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Proclaim this among the nations:
Prepare for war!
Rouse the warriors!
Let all the fighting men draw near and attack.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Beat your plowshares into swords
and your pruning hooks into spears.
Let the weakling say,
“I am strong!”
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Come quickly, all you nations from every side,
and assemble there.
Bring down your warriors, Lord!
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“Let the nations be roused;
let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat,
for there I will sit
to judge all the nations on every side.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Swing the sickle,
for the harvest is ripe.
Come, trample the grapes,
for the winepress is full
and the vats overflow—
so great is their wickedness!”
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Multitudes, multitudes
in the valley of decision!
For the day of the Lord is near
in the valley of decision.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The sun and moon will be darkened,
and the stars no longer shine.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Lord will roar from Zion
and thunder from Jerusalem;
the earth and the heavens will tremble.
But the Lord will be a refuge for his people,
a stronghold for the people of Israel.
[h=3]Blessings for God’s People[/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]“Then you will know that I, the Lord your God,
dwell in Zion, my holy hill.
Jerusalem will be holy;
never again will foreigners invade her.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“In that day the mountains will drip new wine,
and the hills will flow with milk;
all the ravines of Judah will run with water.
A fountain will flow out of the Lord’s house
and will water the valley of acacias.[SUP][d][/SUP]
[SUP]19 [/SUP]But Egypt will be desolate,
Edom a desert waste,
because of violence done to the people of Judah,
in whose land they shed innocent blood.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Judah will be inhabited forever
and Jerusalem through all generations.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Shall I leave their innocent blood unavenged?
No, I will not.”
Joel 3
when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I will gather all nations
and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat.[SUP][b][/SUP]
There I will put them on trial
for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel,
because they scattered my people among the nations
and divided up my land.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]They cast lots for my people
and traded boys for prostitutes;
they sold girls for wine to drink.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Now what have you against me, Tyre and Sidon and all you regions of Philistia? Are you repaying me for something I have done? If you are paying me back, I will swiftly and speedily return on your own heads what you have done. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For you took my silver and my gold and carried off my finest treasures to your temples.[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]6 [/SUP]You sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks, that you might send them far from their homeland.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“See, I am going to rouse them out of the places to which you sold them, and I will return on your own heads what you have done. [SUP]8 [/SUP]I will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, a nation far away.” The Lord has spoken.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Proclaim this among the nations:
Prepare for war!
Rouse the warriors!
Let all the fighting men draw near and attack.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Beat your plowshares into swords
and your pruning hooks into spears.
Let the weakling say,
“I am strong!”
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Come quickly, all you nations from every side,
and assemble there.
Bring down your warriors, Lord!
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“Let the nations be roused;
let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat,
for there I will sit
to judge all the nations on every side.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Swing the sickle,
for the harvest is ripe.
Come, trample the grapes,
for the winepress is full
and the vats overflow—
so great is their wickedness!”
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Multitudes, multitudes
in the valley of decision!
For the day of the Lord is near
in the valley of decision.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The sun and moon will be darkened,
and the stars no longer shine.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Lord will roar from Zion
and thunder from Jerusalem;
the earth and the heavens will tremble.
But the Lord will be a refuge for his people,
a stronghold for the people of Israel.
[h=3]Blessings for God’s People[/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]“Then you will know that I, the Lord your God,
dwell in Zion, my holy hill.
Jerusalem will be holy;
never again will foreigners invade her.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“In that day the mountains will drip new wine,
and the hills will flow with milk;
all the ravines of Judah will run with water.
A fountain will flow out of the Lord’s house
and will water the valley of acacias.[SUP][d][/SUP]
[SUP]19 [/SUP]But Egypt will be desolate,
Edom a desert waste,
because of violence done to the people of Judah,
in whose land they shed innocent blood.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Judah will be inhabited forever
and Jerusalem through all generations.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Shall I leave their innocent blood unavenged?
No, I will not.”
Joel 3
“I will strengthen Judah
and save the tribes of Joseph.
I will restore them
because I have compassion on them.
They will be as though
I had not rejected them,
for I am the Lord their God
and I will answer them.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The Ephraimites will become like warriors,
and their hearts will be glad as with wine.
Their children will see it and be joyful;
their hearts will rejoice in the Lord.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I will signal for them
and gather them in.
Surely I will redeem them;
they will be as numerous as before.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Though I scatter them among the peoples,
yet in distant lands they will remember me.
They and their children will survive,
and they will return.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I will bring them back from Egypt
and gather them from Assyria.
I will bring them to Gilead and Lebanon,
and there will not be room enough for them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]They will pass through the sea of trouble;
the surging sea will be subdued
and all the depths of the Nile will dry up.
Assyria’s pride will be brought down
and Egypt’s scepter will pass away.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I will strengthen them in the Lord
and in his name they will live securely,”
declares the Lord. Zech 10:6-12
and save the tribes of Joseph.
I will restore them
because I have compassion on them.
They will be as though
I had not rejected them,
for I am the Lord their God
and I will answer them.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The Ephraimites will become like warriors,
and their hearts will be glad as with wine.
Their children will see it and be joyful;
their hearts will rejoice in the Lord.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I will signal for them
and gather them in.
Surely I will redeem them;
they will be as numerous as before.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Though I scatter them among the peoples,
yet in distant lands they will remember me.
They and their children will survive,
and they will return.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I will bring them back from Egypt
and gather them from Assyria.
I will bring them to Gilead and Lebanon,
and there will not be room enough for them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]They will pass through the sea of trouble;
the surging sea will be subdued
and all the depths of the Nile will dry up.
Assyria’s pride will be brought down
and Egypt’s scepter will pass away.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I will strengthen them in the Lord
and in his name they will live securely,”
declares the Lord. Zech 10:6-12
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Sophia
Guest
Do you think this will not be fulfilled at His Coming, when He gathers the dead and living Saints together as He descends with them from the clouds, sword from mouth, to judge all nations and restore all things?
This is what the Lord Almighty says: “It may seem marvelous to the remnant of this people at that time, but will it seem marvelous to me?” declares the Lord Almighty.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. [SUP]8 [/SUP]I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God Zech 8:6-8
[SUP]7 [/SUP]This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. [SUP]8 [/SUP]I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God Zech 8:6-8
But now I will not deal with the remnant of this people as I did in the past,” declares the Lord Almighty.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“The seed will grow well, the vine will yield its fruit, the ground will produce its crops, and the heavens will drop their dew. I will give all these things as an inheritance to the remnant of this people. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Just as you, Judah and Israel, have been a curse[SUP][a][/SUP] among the nations, so I will save you, and you will be a blessing.[SUP][b][/SUP] Do not be afraid, but let your hands be strong Zech 8:11-13
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“The seed will grow well, the vine will yield its fruit, the ground will produce its crops, and the heavens will drop their dew. I will give all these things as an inheritance to the remnant of this people. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Just as you, Judah and Israel, have been a curse[SUP][a][/SUP] among the nations, so I will save you, and you will be a blessing.[SUP][b][/SUP] Do not be afraid, but let your hands be strong Zech 8:11-13
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Sophia
Guest
How can you read these and not see the Gentile inclusion as part of it?
How can you separate the interpretation of these from the very Grace that brought you into the same citizenship and seed of Abraham?
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Sophia
Guest
You will not solve your duality until you recognise the singularity of God, and of His plan of Redemtion.
There is only One salvation. Not two.
There is only One salvation. Not two.