Tired of the Big LIE

[eternally-gratefull]

First, Galatians 5:24 says, "And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."

Yet, you say you sin every day. However, Scripture says, "they that are Christ's have crucified... the affections and lusts."

Who am I going to believe? You or Scripture?

Well, I say this in love, but I choose Scripture.

Second, you say "sin" does not control your life yet you then also say that you sin every day. That is like an alcoholic who says drinking does not control him anymore and yet he is drinking daily.

you don;t believe scripture. your like the pharisee, your make a law you can follow. declare sins you commit are not bad sins, or just a "mistake" or "slip up" and deny the fact every thought you have which is self centered is a sin so horrific to God, without the blood of Christ, you would be cursed to eternal hell for that one thought.

remember, Adam and Eve caused the fall of mankind, and the world we live in because they took a bite out of a peacie of fruit.

you think your sin is so clean God will just forgive you? think again.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

True, we can't earn our salvation, but must believe and repent first. Those are not once and for all time decisions covering 10 minutes as a child long ago. Those must continue all our days. If we stop believing and/or repenting then we make Christ minister of sin.
That verse has to do with Christians whose beginning was in the Spirit, but were being taught by false teachers/Judaizers to add the Law of Moses back in.

people who add rules and regulations today (baptism, moral obedience, eucharistic communion, confession and penance) are no different than those jews,

anytime you put the word I in the gospel. you are trying to perfect your salvation by the flesh, and not trusting in God to save you.

pauls message is then directed at you also.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you just refuted yourself here. You said before that a believer cannot hold to a licentous (Antinomian) gospel view and now you are saying that a believer cannot earn his/her way out of salvation.

how is that a contradiction?

A licentious person has never been saved, thus he can not earn his way out of salvation. As Jude said, their condemnation was predetermined.

Again, I believe this to be the case because you hold to the idea that all born again believers are the only ones that live penitent and holy lives.

Actually, this is what God says in his message, are you going to tell me that a non born again person can live a penitent holy life? According to scripture, they can not do good, all they can do is evil. this was me BEFORE I came to Christ, it was my realization of this which caused me to trust God in the first place. and recieve his salvation.

It is obvious you have yet to come to this point, Thats why you have yet to repent of your dead works.

For in your view, God is not going to honor His Word in others repenting and accepting Christ according to God's Word just because he knows they will not endure in their faith. God only accepts the Elect or those He knows will endure in their faith. Am I correct or no? I just want to clarify where you are coming from.

Scripture says God chose me before the foundation of the world. He also as scripture says, knew me (personally) before I came from my mothers womb, He knows every hair on my head, do you think he does not know my heart?

Many can claim to have faith, Can claim to be penitent. But God knows who is sincere, and who is not.

A dog returns to his own vomit, because he is still a dog.

A child of God does not return to his own vomit, because he has been changed, he is no longer a dog.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Agreed. Salvation is not Antinomianism (i.e. an ignoring of God's moral laws and a refusing to repent) and Salvation is not Works Salvationism, either.

so your admiting you have not been saved? Because you preach works. even though your blinded by your own pride and do not realise it.

 

[newbirth]

you don;t believe scripture. your like the pharisee, your make a law you can follow. declare sins you commit are not bad sins, or just a "mistake" or "slip up" and deny the fact every thought you have which is self centered is a sin so horrific to God, without the blood of Christ, you would be cursed to eternal hell for that one thought.

remember, Adam and Eve caused the fall of mankind, and the world we live in because they took a bite out of a peacie of fruit.

you think your sin is so clean God will just forgive you? think again.

scripture says if you confess your sins He is faithful and just to forgive ...you are saying He is not????

 

[eternally-gratefull]

True, we can't earn our salvation, but must believe and repent first. Those are not once and for all time decisions covering 10 minutes as a child long ago.

No one is going to go from a state of being an enemy of God, A sinner, A person so steeped in pride, that everything he does is for self. to a point of falling on their knees and begging for Gods mercy in ten minutes. This is rediculous, it took me weeks, maybe months to realise this, and finally fall on my knees, True faith (assurance) comes from a work of God, and this work takes time God has to break us before we will come to him. That takes alot more than ten minutes.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I also want to say that you did say before that you did not believe in an Antinomian gospel. If this is the case: Then obviously you are not saying in this post here that the believer who cannot earn his way of salvation is not going to come back to the Lord by repenting and living holy again. For clearly this believer is going to come back to living right with God again. Right? Again, I say this so as to understand where you are coming from.

Your all about law. rules and regulations, Self effort, so on and so forth so your blind.

Salvation is about being saved, because you have failed to live up to Gods standard (the perfect law) You to this day do not live up to this standard, thus you today have earned the right to hell.

Sanctification is the means by which God grows us to be more like him. We begin as babes, and mature (hopefully) and grow as we learn to trust God with areas of our lives. We fall, God lifts us up. We fall again, God lifts us back up.

It is not about me doing inything, I can do nothing, It is about GOD DOING A WORK IN ME.

Your trying to mix the two. and bring salvation dependent on being perfectly sanctified, Which my friend, will never happen in this lifetime.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As for Galatians 3:3: Well, as I said several times before, I do not believe in Salvation by works. I am strongly against it. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you are not teaching Antinomianism and believe you. However, I would respect it if you believe the same for me when I say something that I believe, too. As I said before, I have argued with Works Salvationists before and I have used Galatians 3:3 in my defense against them.

In any event, may God's love shine upon you greatly this fine day.

If you believe you can lose salvation, you teach works.

Galations is written all about those who teach salvation must be earned by doing something.

That is exactly what you teach.

 

[newbirth]

people who add rules and regulations today (baptism, moral obedience, eucharistic communion, confession and penance) are no different than those jews,

anytime you put the word I in the gospel. you are trying to perfect your salvation by the flesh, and not trusting in God to save you.

pauls message is then directed at you also.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me:
Paul is saying .....
there is a fight to be fought...there is a course to be finished....there is a faith to be kept...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

...said the impenitent, proud liar.

If not, then document the lie that you told about me and I previously called you out on.

I won't be holding my breath...

Hey man, I wanted to thank you. We are studying romans in my mens cell group. Last night we got into the topic of modern day legalism, and tried to define it, I got a few different answers, then I thought of you. I opened this chatroom, And read to them your self professed gospel (remember, the post where I highlighted ALL the things you said you must do) They said they had never seen so many I Do's in all their life, even from a catholic person (and we know many) and that you gave the perfect example of what a modern day pharisee looks like, better than any explanation any of us could give as to what legalism was. If anyone wants to know what legalism is, Just read you post.

They wanted me to thank you for that help, and let you know we are all praying for you. that you come to Gods truth.

 

[newbirth]

Your all about law. rules and regulations, Self effort, so on and so forth so your blind.

Salvation is about being saved, because you have failed to live up to Gods standard (the perfect law) You to this day do not live up to this standard, thus you today have earned the right to hell.

Sanctification is the means by which God grows us to be more like him. We begin as babes, and mature (hopefully) and grow as we learn to trust God with areas of our lives. We fall, God lifts us up. We fall again, God lifts us back up.

It is not about me doing inything, I can do nothing, It is about GOD DOING A WORK IN ME.

Your trying to mix the two. and bring salvation dependent on being perfectly sanctified, Which my friend, will never happen in this lifetime.

you are contrary to the word...
James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

 

[newbirth]

If you believe you can lose salvation, you teach works.

Galations is written all about those who teach salvation must be earned by doing something.

That is exactly what you teach.

Galatians is written to those who were being led astray by teachers of the Mosaic law...teaching that you must be circumcised to enter into the kingdom...

 

[Ella85]

Lets take a look at a few verses....

27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.


And you shall LIVE. If we love the Lord with all our heart we shall LIVE! Yes that's right!
This is where it all starts, we love because He has loved us first! We love the Lord because He has given us a new spirit a spirit of love and we do not need to do anything to receive His spirit other than believe! So simple yet so important.

He is our father....... what are the most important things that our father has told us? What is number one!?
Matthew 22:37
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:38-40
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Why is love so important to the Lord?
Why would He need us to know that this is the first and great commandment?

Is it because He needs us to love Him?
Or purely because He wants us to love Him?

Do we love Him knowing that we have conditions based upon His love?
Or do we love Him because He is merciful?
Because He gives us unconditional love?

I know that when I love someone............................Whoever it may be..................there are no conditions when it comes to love.
You love because you want to love, and with love, comes obedience and willingness to do anything for that person.
Love is not selfish.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

scripture says if you confess your sins He is faithful and just to forgive ...you are saying He is not????

did he not die for your sins? why would he not forgive them?

thats not the issue, the issue is your state against God,

God is perfect, he will except nothing less. have you reached that state of perfection? if not, your in trouble, and you better find a savior.

ps.. just so you know. according to scripture, only one man lived that state, that man was called Jesus, look him up, you might learn something.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me:
Paul is saying .....
there is a fight to be fought...there is a course to be finished....there is a faith to be kept...

everything paul fought for was rewards in heaven.

He did not fight for salvation (the right to be there) he understood he had to no right to be there, thats why he always gave credit to God. and called himself wretched.

You will not earn salvation, even if you never commit another sin the rest of your life, you will still earn eternal death.

call out to God to save you, stop trusting yourself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you are contrary to the word...
James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

if your not saved, you can't be a doer of the word.

that is why james was telling them this, he followed this by telling them to test their faith, do they claim to have faith, but have no works? if so, can that faith save them? no it is dead.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Galatians is written to those who were being led astray by teachers of the Mosaic law...teaching that you must be circumcised to enter into the kingdom...

and it is any different by people teaching modern law (works)?

the same message applies to all, whether it be mosaic law, church law, or whatever law people impose on the gospel of grace.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lets take a look at a few verses....

27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.


And you shall LIVE. If we love the Lord with all our heart we shall LIVE! Yes that's right!
This is where it all starts, we love because He has loved us first! We love the Lord because He has given us a new spirit a spirit of love and we do not need to do anything to receive His spirit other than believe! So simple yet so important.

He is our father....... what are the most important things that our father has told us? What is number one!?
Matthew 22:37
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:38-40
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Why is love so important to the Lord?
Why would He need us to know that this is the first and great commandment?

Is it because He needs us to love Him?
Or purely because He wants us to love Him?

Do we love Him knowing that we have conditions based upon His love?
Or do we love Him because He is merciful?
Because He gives us unconditional love?

I know that when I love someone............................Whoever it may be..................there are no conditions when it comes to love.
You love because you want to love, and with love, comes obedience and willingness to do anything for that person.
Love is not selfish.

Amen, And as scripture says, We love because he first loved us,

If we are not a child of God, we have no capacity to love, thus we have no capacity to do anything righteous, all we do is sin. Because nothing is ever done with the love of God. because they have never experienced it.

 

[newbirth]

and it is any different by people teaching modern law (works)?

the same message applies to all, whether it be mosaic law, church law, or whatever law people impose on the gospel of grace.

you are changing the word to make it mean what you want it to mean.....Jesus said do unto others as you would have them do unto you...you have made that a legalistic operation...you have made it impossible or anyone to do anything that Christ said to do....

 

[Jason0047]

you don;t believe scripture. your like the pharisee, your make a law you can follow. declare sins you commit are not bad sins, or just a "mistake" or "slip up" and deny the fact every thought you have which is self centered is a sin so horrific to God, without the blood of Christ, you would be cursed to eternal hell for that one thought.

remember, Adam and Eve caused the fall of mankind, and the world we live in because they took a bite out of a peacie of fruit.

you think your sin is so clean God will just forgive you? think again.

If I don't believe Scripture, then why are you not explaining Galatians 5:24 instead of attacking me verbally?