Tired of the Big LIE

[Jason0047]

God chooses to reveal and to conceal.....and I never said habitually and as a way of life. You're making up things......dare I say....bearing false witness against me?

Not according to what others said here. Let me ask you. Do you believe you can be out of fellowship with God and still be saved?

 

[Sirk]

Not according to what others said here. Let me ask you. Do you believe you can be out of fellowship with God and still be saved?

ill answer you but you have to answer my question first.

 

[Jeff_56]

i don't know what posts may be referred to here,

but the point is similar with most posters --- they continually (habitually) defend sinning and saying it is okay to sin and then
blaming someone or something else on it
and they keep sinning willingly (habitually), so God will judge those ones by their own words and deeds.

your post may or may not indicate habitual sin - in english it may be inferred without being implied, so
clarify as needed. that's safer than inferring that he sinned in reference to your post; just clarify.

and realize that taking offense at what someone else says is often selfish and sinful. people took offense at jesus,
and still do today, and he said instead "blesses are those who are not offended by me"

as well as elsewhere similar 'the righteous do not get offended by what others say'. (the wicked might always get offended)

God chooses to reveal and to conceal.....and I never said habitually and as a way of life. You're making up things......dare I say....bearing false witness against me?

 

[dcontroversal]

Not according to what others said here. They said you will never be perfect. You will always sin every day is what they are saying. Many have attempted to justify their own actions by asking me if I commit sins every day. I told them I don't commit sins that lead unto death as a way of life (or habitually). This is important to understand because Jesus says be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect. They that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. This verse does not speak of some future event. It is speaking in the present tense. They that belong to Christ have crucified the affections and lusts now. This does not mean that every believer will never sin ever again. John says in 1 John 2:1 that such a thing is a reality for the believer. However, what this means that they will not live a life of habitual sin. For the affections and lusts have been crucified. Not tomorrow but now. For he that committeth sin is of the devil (1 John 3:8); And whosever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God (1 John 3:9). This is speaking of habitual sin as a way of life obviously because many of the great saints have sinned; However, they did not habitually sin as a way of life, though. That is what 1 John 3 is talking about. Anyways, whosever does not righteousness is not of God, nether he that loves not his brother (1 John 3:10). I see a lot of people here trying to condone unrighteousness or in the fact that they sin every day and it is okay to God. But Scripture says he that does not righteousness (Which is obviously speaking as a way of life) is not of God. I also see many folks here trying to attack me verbally as a fellow brother instead of addressing the verses I bring up. To me it is hateful act to attack me personally and call me names instead of talking about Scripture with respect. In fact, if we continue reading in 1 John 3, it says he that hateth his brother is a murder and we know no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. In other words, OSAS cannot twist these verses to say something different. If you were to just read these passages plainly and believe them there is no room for OSAS.

SIN is sin........to break the LEAST of the commandments is to be guilty of them ALL.....Your a joke.....you sin period! You can slice it and dice it anyway you want and at the end of the day YOU SIN......so keep fooling yourself and thinking that your (SIN) is not as grievous as the guys next to you....The Pharisees had that attitude and approach and we know exactly what Jesus said about them and YOU if you think and believe that your sins are not that bad!<-- to the bolded

The underlined section above is just another FALSE ACCUSATION and ASSUMPTION by you to justify your heretical stance on sin in a believer's life....

The underlined and bolded above shows you have no clue as to what the word perfect means..........

Your a joke, you twist and undermine the word more than anyone I have ever seen to fit your (SALVATION LITE) belief which is a farce at best!

 

[dcontroversal]

Not according to what others said here. Let me ask you. Do you believe you can be out of fellowship with God and still be saved?

This question shows that you have no clue what fellowship and saved mean.........

Let me guess when you were a kid you never got in trouble because you were so righteous......

Can my son by birth get in trouble for doing something wrong and break our fellowship momentarily and STILL BE MY SON BY BIRTH.......GEESH what a joke!

 

[Sirk]

i don't know what posts may be referred to here,

but the point is similar with most posters --- they continually (habitually) defend sinning and saying it is okay to sin and then
blaming someone or something else on it
and they keep sinning willingly (habitually), so God will judge those ones by their own words and deeds.

your post may or may not indicate habitual sin - in english it may be inferred without being implied, so
clarify as needed. that's safer than inferring that he sinned in reference to your post; just clarify.

and realize that taking offense at what someone else says is often selfish and sinful. people took offense at jesus,
and still do today, and he said instead "blesses are those who are not offended by me"

as well as elsewhere similar 'the righteous do not get offended by what others say'. (the wicked might always get offended)

im not offended and the reference to bearing false witness was a question more than a statement. No where have I said anything about habitual sinning. My personal holiness thru Jesus is an important exercise to me and my walk.

 

[dcontroversal]

There is no one good, no not one, our best righteousness is as filthy rags.

Don't worry that verse does not apply unto the Pharisees...neither does...THERE is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins NOT!!!!!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

God chooses to reveal and to conceal.....and I never said habitually and as a way of life. You're making up things......dare I say....bearing false witness against me?

He does that quite regularly......takes what you say, twists it and then implies you are saying this or that while jumping all the way to the LEFT with his (LITE) version of Christianity......!

 

[Sirk]

He does that quite regularly......takes what you say, twists it and then implies you are saying this or that while jumping all the way to the LEFT with his (LITE) version of Christianity......!

i feel kinda bad. The garden of his mind has some weeds with deep roots.

 

[kennethcadwell]

everything paul fought for was rewards in heaven.

He did not fight for salvation (the right to be there) he understood he had to no right to be there, thats why he always gave credit to God. and called himself wretched.

You will not earn salvation, even if you never commit another sin the rest of your life, you will still earn eternal death.

call out to God to save you, stop trusting yourself.

Well that is not true that it was for rewards and not salvation;

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:




1 Timothy 4:8
For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.




1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.




1 Timothy 6:19
Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.




2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.




Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;


Titus 3:7
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you are changing the word to make it mean what you want it to mean.....Jesus said do unto others as you would have them do unto you...you have made that a legalistic operation...you have made it impossible or anyone to do anything that Christ said to do....

No, Your wrong.

Scripture says we love because he loved us first. A person who has not been adopted by the love of God has no capacity to love Sure, they can give to the poor. But it is not out of Godly love, there is no capacity for Godly love, all it is is self effort. thus according to God, filthy rags, That is what God thinks of our righteousness. Or did you miss that memo?

Where as a Believer, adopted child of God, when he gives to the poor out of the abundance God gave them, it is out of Love of God, Because it was empowered by God.

yet a believer can also do it not out of love, and to him it is sin, not the love of God. and further proof that we need Gods forgiveness and grace to next time learn to do it out of love, not selfish ambition. which we lie to ourselves, and call it love.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If I don't believe Scripture, then why are you not explaining Galatians 5:24 instead of attacking me verbally?

I do not need to attack you. Just ask you the plain question. Are you sinless? Is anyone sinless?

if the answer is no. Then you rinterpretation of said verse is faulty.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is not the first time somebody has falsely labeled what I believe. I do not believe in Works Salvationism. I believe works follow salvation. Holiness and fruitful works is always the natural result of having God living within you (Who is the source of salvation). Jesus says, if you love me, keep my commandments. Meaning, when a person sees that they have failed to measure up to God's commands, they will repent of their sins and accept Him as their Savior. Then God will do the work within them (with them yielding to the Lord). Ezekiel essentially says I will put my Spirit within you so that you can keep my statutes. So it is not Works Salvationism. It is God's grace working in you. But if there is no change or evidence that a person has not been born again by the fact that they do not love or by the fact that they commit sins that lead unto death as a way of life, ,then they are not saved. Sin has always separated man from God. It's what happened in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve. Why do you think it is any different now? Do you think God is a respecter of persons?

Now you contradict yourself.

We do works because we are saved, (by the power of God) which we agree on.

those who continue to live in sin, have never been saved, Which we agree on.

then you screw it up by saying those empowered by God to do works, can lose their salvation. (for whatever reason does not matter) THERE is where the works come in.

 

[The_highwayman]

No, Your wrong.

Scripture says we love because he loved us first. A person who has not been adopted by the love of God has no capacity to love Sure, they can give to the poor. But it is not out of Godly love, there is no capacity for Godly love, all it is is self effort. thus according to God, filthy rags, That is what God thinks of our righteousness. Or did you miss that memo?

Where as a Believer, adopted child of God, when he gives to the poor out of the abundance God gave them, it is out of Love of God, Because it was empowered by God.

yet a believer can also do it not out of love, and to him it is sin, not the love of God. and further proof that we need Gods forgiveness and grace to next time learn to do it out of love, not selfish ambition. which we lie to ourselves, and call it love.

100% spot on....Romans 5.5 says-And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do not understand how you can say that there are licentious people and yet you are defending those who believe in such a way.

dude, do you ever listen to a word anyone says?

How can I be defending them, when I have shown how the word of God condemns them? Am I above the word of God? have I said a licentious person will get to heaven, or even has a chance to get to heaven? If I have, can you show me where?

Many here believe they can be out of fellowship with God and still be saved. Being out of fellowship with God is no doubt due to their sinful lifestyle. For if a person is walking in the Light as he is in the Light, then why would God abandon them? Well, the only reason I can see is that they would be trusting in their own Light and not Christ's Light for salvation. However, the fact that you have sided with people who have openly admitted to being immoral lets me know that you really do not believe Antinomianism is false (Even though you are saying such a thing). For we are not to have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but we are to rather, reprove them. For someone here has said they sin every day but yet sin does not control them. How does that make sense? How is that statement not immoral? Do you agree with them?

Also, you said before that "Forsaking sin" is a legalistic term. How so? Jesus said to the woman caught in the act of adultery to sin no more. Was Jesus being legalistic in saying that? For Jesus was essentially telling the woman to forsake sin. If Jesus was not telling the woman to forsake sin, then what do you think Jesus was saying then to the woman?

Here we go.. People who are born of God can not live in sin, those are johns words, do you want to listen to John, or listen to yourself and those who have decieved you into thinking you are so righteous?

did Jesus tell the tax collector to stop his sin? to forsake his sin?

Or did jesus tell me you and the world. God gave him mercy, and sent him home justified?

 

[dcontroversal]

I do not need to attack you. Just ask you the plain question. Are you sinless? Is anyone sinless?

if the answer is no. Then you rinterpretation of said verse is faulty.

Oh come on....The three of them (K, NB and J) don't sin...they just mess up or trip up a bit...........or their sins are just little sins........even though they can loose salvation they never have because their sins are not significant and or BIG enough....but for sure we are sinners that don't work hard enough to keep our salvation....or get it or maintain it because we acknowledge the truth about sin in a believer's life........

 

[Sirk]

Godly holiness is imparted to the believer thru faith in Jesus. Personal holiness is a never ending endeavor as we strive to become more like Him. I don't know why this is so hard to grasp.

 

[dcontroversal]

Now you contradict yourself.

We do works because we are saved, (by the power of God) which we agree on.

those who continue to live in sin, have never been saved, Which we agree on.

then you screw it up by saying those empowered by God to do works, can lose their salvation. (for whatever reason does not matter) THERE is where the works come in.

At the end of the day their gospel is.....

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosever does many wonderful works will not perish but is gaining everlasting life......

or

In the grace you are having been saved out of works and that of yourselves it is of works not of grace so every man can boast......

 

[kennethcadwell]

SIN is sin........to break the LEAST of the commandments is to be guilty of them ALL.....Your a joke.....you sin period! You can slice it and dice it anyway you want and at the end of the day YOU SIN......so keep fooling yourself and thinking that your (SIN) is not as grievous as the guys next to you....The Pharisees had that attitude and approach and we know exactly what Jesus said about them and YOU if you think and believe that your sins are not that bad!<-- to the bolded

The underlined section above is just another FALSE ACCUSATION and ASSUMPTION by you to justify your heretical stance on sin in a believer's life....

The underlined and bolded above shows you have no clue as to what the word perfect means..........

Your a joke, you twist and undermine the word more than anyone I have ever seen to fit your (SALVATION LITE) belief which is a farce at best!

You and a couple others keep bringing up the Pharisees, and you all do realize the Lord called them vipers and heretics because they did not keep, twisted, and added on to the laws of God. They did not keep them perfect as been falsely taught as no man can keep the entire 613 mosaic laws, and they even went and put heavier burdens on others. And even used it and their position for power and financial gain.
This is why the Lord said are righteousness needs to exceed theirs, because theirs was self righteousness. Everything they did was for themselves and not for the love of God.


You started this thread to disprove what you call a lie, that OSAS teaches a person can continue in willful sins and still be saved. You say this is a big lie, but then you and a couple others say you sin every single day and state that all believers do and can not change that. You do realize that is preaching the same thing in different wordage, and is unbiblical as not one scripture says born again believers sin everyday. Making 1 John 1:8-10 say that is interjecting what is not there and making it contradict tons of other scriptures that say the opposite. Including making it contradict the guiding of the Holy Spirit, because if you say we all sin everyday then you are initially saying we all deny the Holy Spirit.

There is two verses that would take your everyday sinning by all a false teaching;

Matthew 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Luke 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.



Here the Lord is saying that your actions that follow show if your repentance was a true repentance, and continuing in those same sins and not turning from them rather it takes you one day or one year to stop that sin/s. If you are not trying to stop walking in those sins, and putting them off your repentance was not true.

 

[Sirk]

If God made it so easy for us as some imply, then how would we make our bodies a "living sacrifice". Sacrifice is never easy and it isn't supposed to be. Sacrificial living is loving God in action not words or a false notion of being perfect. The true mark of a believer/disciple is in the struggle....doing something your flesh doesn't want to do or not doing something your flesh wants to do. That is living victoriously and those are the victories that Jesus loves because it shows you love Him.....and when I fail, disciplines me as a loving father would not by shame or punishment, but picking me up out of my pit and putting His arms around me and saying that He loves me even in my failure.