This forum is a MESS!can anyone debate without being rude?

[yogosans14]

Everyone on this forum shows why a lot of people do not like Protestants. So much disunity on this forum it's digusting. Everyone thinking their doctrines are the only truth and that everyone who disagrees is in danger of going to Hell. Do you really believe God is that shallow to send one to Hell for misinterperting a certain verse?grow up!

 

[wwjd_kilden]

I agree there are too many heated debates here, however: What does that have to do with Protestants? There are several Catholics on this forum ...

also, most other forums I have peeked into have been worse, believe it or not

 

[yogosans14]

Because it's mostly Protestant denomations bickering with one another. I'm not catholic but it's pathetic to see Christians calling each other heretics...

 

[mikeuk]

Everyone on this forum shows why a lot of people do not like Protestants. So much disunity on this forum it's digusting. Everyone thinking their doctrines are the only truth and that everyone who disagrees is in danger of going to Hell. Do you really believe God is that shallow to send one to Hell for misinterperting a certain verse?grow up!

I agree.

One of the old chestnuts I see time and again, is when people try to defend their own belief, rather than defending that issue, they do one of two things. (a) Hurl the "false prophets" and similar verses at their opponents or (b) I discerned it with the holy spirit, so I must be right.

Both arguments are bankrupt .

Since in many of the heated arguments eg justification, the answers OSAS, Saved but can lose it, Dont get saved until the end, are all mutually exclusive, so two thirds of you are wrong!

But all will claim they (b) discerned the holy spirit and (a) so the others are false prophets. So provable from that is most of those who say the holy spirit guided them are wrong, since I am sure the holy spirit does not have a divided doctrine!

If everyone did the courtesy to the other faction of saying " I think <this> is true because of <abc>" rather than the more dogmatic "<this> is true, because of <abc> so you are wrong!> then the forum would be so much more pleasant!

Outside the forum it can get even nastier. A story.

A protestant theologian (does not matter who) was a salaried teacher at a seminary. Then one of the schisms blew up over doctrine, the new sect gave itself a new name, and took over the seminary in that new name..
Our preacher was part of the "losing" side in an acrimonious dispute, and lost his job in favour of those preaching the opposite doctrine. In desparate financial straights, he took on benefits, to tide him over, on the basis that the seminary had closed (which was true in the sense that the new faction, was in a new name, had new beliefs. much like a new company taking over an old company site, has no responsibility for the staff fired). But rather than letting that take its course, the seminary went out of its way to say "no he was not made redundant, he was fired!!" so he got no benefits at all, had to pay back what he had already been paid.

How nasty can people be to each other!

 

[Jeff_56]

as far as i know, only that which is "promoting overtly" antichrist religion is not allowed by the rules.

catholicism , mormonism, hinduism, jw, and so on (all pagan religions).

but, since , for instance, catholics , which are pagan (heretics according to scripture),

are still allowed to post their deceptions, instead of only coming here to learn from true believers,

there is no way to stop the deceptions from being posted --- this place is wide open to deception, so

all the visitors need to be ware or be decieved.

since all the unbelieving pagan heathen and ungodly persons are permitted by the rules to post their

deceptions and not just come here to learn (and few come here to learn apparently - but even if there's

more who do come to learn, the loud and unwanted deceptions of the deceivers are still obvious),

there's not much to expect except arguments, dissension, and so on.

it would take very strict oversight, rules enforcement, and moderation to get things calm and peaceful.

when the deeds of and doctrines of darkness , especially heresy, is posted, it is not proper not

edifying nor even thinkable that it should go unapposed and remain not exposed.

the more the catholics or
mormons or muslims post, in corruption and in error, the more it must be exposed, in truth.

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the protestants are not heresy (though they can go get involved in heresy if they chose)

so that is the big and vital difference. the protestants bring freedom from the darkness of rcc. period.

I agree there are too many heated debates here, however: What does that have to do with Protestants? There are several Catholics on this forum ...

also, most other forums I have peeked into have been worse, believe it or not

 

[mikeuk]

as far as i know, only that which is "promoting overtly" antichrist religion is not allowed by the rules.

catholicism , mormonism, hinduism, jw, and so on (all pagan religions).

but, since , for instance, catholics , which are pagan (heretics according to scripture),

are still allowed to post their deceptions, instead of only coming here to learn from true believers,

there is no way to stop the deceptions from being posted --- this place is wide open to deception, so

all the visitors need to be ware or be decieved.

since all the unbelieving pagan heathen and ungodly persons are permitted by the rules to post their

deceptions and not just come here to learn (and few come here to learn apparently - but even if there's

more who do come to learn, the loud and unwanted deceptions of the deceivers are still obvious),

there's not much to expect except arguments, dissension, and so on.

it would take very strict oversight, rules enforcement, and moderation to get things calm and peaceful.

when the deeds of and doctrines of darkness , especially heresy, is posted, it is not proper not

edifying nor even thinkable that it should go unapposed and remain not exposed.

the more the catholics or
mormons or muslims post, in corruption and in error, the more it must be exposed, in truth.

.
.
the protestants are not heresy (though they can go get involved in heresy if they chose)

so that is the big and vital difference. the protestants bring freedom from the darkness of rcc. period.

You are the classic case referred to by the OP. Long on rudeness, short on fact, absent in the above.

Look in these debates, and the most hostile are protestants arguing with each other, whose beliefs are so in opposition and mutually exclusive objectively most of them could be called heretics, the only question is which group, since some of what they believe must be false! But that is why none of them should use the word heretic, because it simply inflames an argument.

They should say "I think <this> because <abc>" not the dogmatic "<this> is true because <abc> so you are wrong> and certainly not your version not even <this> is wrong but "<you> are a heretic, and those like you". The level of your argument is puerile.

Anyway Jeff. I have asked a question on a scripture in matthew on your favourite thread. You have so far failed to defend any of the points I have made in scripture, preferring ad hominem attack. If you cannot answer that last question simply and succinctly from scripture, then please stay away from "anti catholic" threads since you have no basis other than hatred for your position. You have even put words into Luthers' mouth that he did not believe either! In short you have failed to research any of it before attacking on specious grounds.

As the OP on this thread point out, people who argue as you do are the problem.




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[Willie-T]

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me, at all, As far as I am concerned, every single one of you has the right to be wrong.

 

[mikeuk]

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me, at all, As far as I am concerned, every single one of you has the right to be wrong.

Love it! ......

 

[Willie-T]

Love it! ......

Well, even if we don't want to admit it,we ALL feel that others are wrong if they do not understand the same way we do..... otherwise, we would be fools to follow something (or someone) we think is NOT the right way.

 

[Kaycie]

We should be loving and respectful, but it is true that what you don't know can hurt you. "My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6. And Matthew 7:21 says, "Not everyone who says to Me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven." and Matthew 15:9 says, "They worship Me IN VAIN their teachings are merely human rules." There are many false religions out there, but only one Church (body) of Christ. And if you are not in Christ you are not saved. Christ does not have many bodies, He died only for one church- His church. If I create a new doctrine today and people follow it, will they be in Christs genuine church? Of course not, thats why we need to go back and expose all these manmade doctrines that do not result in salvation.

Jesus says if the blind lead the blind both WILL fall into a pit (hell). And Jesus said a parable about a man who sold everything he had to buy a piece of land because he knew there was a valuable pearl inside. We are supposed to dig deep into the word and find the pearl- the genuine Church of Christ. So if one can show another by scripture that they are following false doctrine, is not their core intention to save the other from eternal torment? I would like to believe that that is everyone's intention on this site, but I know it is definitely my intention, otherwise I wouldn't even be here.

 

[Willie-T]

We should be loving and respectful, but it is true that what you don't know can hurt you. "My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6. And Matthew 7:21 says, "Not everyone who says to Me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven." and Matthew 15:9 says, "They worship Me IN VAIN their teachings are merely human rules." There are many false religions out there, but only one Church (body) of Christ. And if you are not in Christ you are not saved. Christ does not have many bodies, He died only for one church- His church. If I create a new doctrine today and people follow it, will they be in Christs genuine church? Of course not, thats why we need to go back and expose all these manmade doctrines that do not result in salvation.

Jesus says if the blind lead the blind both WILL fall into a pit (hell). And Jesus said a parable about a man who sold everything he had to buy a piece of land because he knew there was a valuable pearl inside. We are supposed to dig deep into the word and find the pearl- the genuine Church of Christ. So if one can show another by scripture that they are following false doctrine, is not their core intention to save the other from eternal torment? I would like to believe that that is everyone's intention on this site, but I know it is definitely my intention, otherwise I wouldn't even be here.

No, that is not my goal in being here.

You believe in a secret rescue called "The Rapture."
I do not.

You believe there is a future time period called, "The Great Tribulation."
I do not.

You believe God punished Christ.
I do not.

And I could easily name several more. But that is not my goal in being here... to tell you that you are wrong, and that I am right, and that I am going to save you from Hell by straightening you out by swaying you to my doctrinal beliefs.

No, I am here to simply share Jesus as He is shown in the Bible.

Believing in certain man-developed doctrine is not the route to salvation. Nor is "doing" certain things. All any of us are told to do is to explain to those who aren't trusting in Jesus, that He is the way to handle this challenge called, living on Earth. And we only do that, effectively, by reflecting His love. NOTHING ELSE.

 

[didymos]

Everyone on this forum shows why a lot of people do not like Protestants. So much disunity on this forum it's digusting. Everyone thinking their doctrines are the only truth and that everyone who disagrees is in danger of going to Hell. Do you really believe God is that shallow to send one to Hell for misinterperting a certain verse?grow up!

Out of the mouth of babes...

 

[3Scoreand10]

Everyone on this forum shows why a lot of people do not like Protestants. So much disunity on this forum it's digusting. Everyone thinking their doctrines are the only truth and that everyone who disagrees is in danger of going to Hell. Do you really believe God is that shallow to send one to Hell for misinterperting a certain verse?grow up!

I am not a Protestant, I am a Landmark Baptist.

 

[dcontroversal]

I am not a Protestant, I am a Landmark Baptist.

Not to mention the arrogant, mouthy approach in his first two posts......all this coming from an 18 year old whelp........!

 

[Reborn]

Actually......if you read through all of the posts....there is a code to each thread almost?
You will see a decent (sometimes) debate going, and once a (certain handful) of avatars start popping up to your left, you will see it get heated.

It's ALWAYS the same.

Dot, Dot, Dot....BEEP (the avatar enters)...Dot...BEEP...BEEP...Dot...Dot....BEEP....BEEP....BEEP....BEEP....and so on.

Over and over this happens.

Most here disagree, yet we all still basically get along.
We drop things and move on.
To me, this shows forgiveness and a willingness to continue.

*I myself, actually 'avatar hunt'.....certain people are just intriguing to read.
Example: I look for the avatar of the chess piece.....so insightful, witty....and well, pleasantly nuts.

 

[damombomb]

People from all different languages, nations, and tribes are going to have white robes(innumerable multitude as the sand of the sea). But since we are different people, we are not going to agree on everything. Only that Jesus is the truth, the way .

 

[secularhermit]

Everyone on this forum shows why a lot of people do not like Protestants. So much disunity on this forum it's digusting. Everyone thinking their doctrines are the only truth and that everyone who disagrees is in danger of going to Hell. Do you really believe God is that shallow to send one to Hell for misinterperting a certain verse?grow up!

[h=2]" can anyone debate without being rude? "[/h]Hmmm!

Will you eat of the same cake you baked?

Meanwhile I think you are right, but not in the way you approached with.

There would be a moment we all be shown wrong, more than "right" on arguing at anything.

 

[kaylagrl]

Sometimes I feel people filibuster if they disagree.Instead of presenting an argument they post reams and reams of Scripture verses that have nothing to do with anything.You're scratching your head trying to kick it all apart.Then they get angry with you when you don't accept their gobbeldy gook.Very frustrating.I dont try to hide what I believe.I have no mystery teaching.I try to be clear about what I believe.But I must say I too am surprised when I post the way certain people tend to jump you before you get your thought out.I've been told so many times Im going to hell on here,well I'm just glad Im mature enough not to be affected by it.If I was new in the faith...I think folk need to be more mindful of what comes out of their mouths.A thread going right now is about females being preachers.If you dont agree,that is your right.But I have heard the most vile things said against women in that post. Just unbelievable.And I wonder how we can claim Christ with that type of speech.I mean its just not very Christlike.Just my 10 cents worth.

 

[secularhermit]

People from all different languages, nations, and tribes are going to have white robes(innumerable multitude as the sand of the sea). But since we are different people, we are not going to agree on everything. Only that Jesus is the truth, the way .

What is not wearing robes or bodies? You can show me those verses on the Bible (I know them well) but what if God wants us to "wear" His light and life?

 

[kaylagrl]

What is not wearing robes or bodies? You can show me those verses on the Bible (I know them well) but what if God wants us to "wear" His light and life?

I think you just made the OPs point.