Can a Christian be sinless, perfect?

[gotime]

Sorry. . .your hermeneutic is so contra-Biblical, it is shocking at first.


If sins were in their life after they came to faith, then they were not sinless,
but were in sin, which they needed to confess in order for them to be cleansed.

Your problem is simple. . .and serious.

You are missing the basic gospel message--the forgiveness of past sin in justification through faith in Jesus Christ.

Our advocate doesn't plead forgiveness of sin already forgiven in justification.

You are trying to manufacture some kind of contra-Biblical perceived unforgiven sin for which believers need an advocate with the Father.

If your not going to use your bible to back up your claims then don't bother answering.

I think it is you that misses the Gospel.

You seem to think the Christian is still under the power of the Devil.
It sounds to me that you lessen what Christ did on the cross and is doing as our Priest.
It seems to me that you have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.

 

[gotime]

We all know that we are Justified by faith in Jesus but is that all?

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

notice that we are justified by his blood, then Paul says "much more" we shall be saved from wrath through him.

who is the wrath for?

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

notice wrath is against ungodliness and unrighteous men who what? hold the truth in unrighteousness. They know about Justification and hold onto it but with unrighteousness/sin.

and again:

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

wrath for those who are unrepentant/ do not turn away from their sins.

Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

notice we will be rendered according to our deeds what we do.

one group do well and get life the other do not obey the truth but what? Unrighteousness and get wrath.



Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.



so wrath for the ones who do evil/sin
Glory and honor for those who do good and notice what determiners good or bad deeds?

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

so the law is our judge of good or bad deeds you break it you sin evil deeds. you keep it you obey unto righteousness Good deeds.




Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

So the law is in our hearts and is seen in what we do.

It is the law that shows sin:

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

So then the Gospel is not simply and only forgiveness of sin but much more it is the power of God to transform us from sinners to doers of the law.


Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

much more than being reconciled we are saved by His life. how?

Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

His life gives us newness of life. we no longer serve sin but God in His power.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

We are justified by faith and we are sanctified by that same faith. We are no longer held by the old nature it is dead if you are still walking in sin then your old nature is alive and well.

Take Hold of the arm of God by faith and taste true rest.

 

[Elin]

Sorry. . .your hermeneutic is so contra-Biblical, it is shocking at first.

If sins were in their life after they came to faith, then they were not sinless,
but were in sin, which they needed to confess in order for them to be cleansed.
(1Jn 1:8-10)

Your problem is simple. . .and serious.

You are missing the basic gospel message--the forgiveness of past sin in justification through faith in Jesus Christ.

Our advocate doesn't plead forgiveness of sin already forgiven in justification.

You are trying to manufacture some kind of contra-Biblical perceived unforgiven sin for which believers need an advocate with the Father.

If your not going to use your bible to back up your claims then don't bother answering.

My response is the Bible in 1Jn 1:8-10.

And you have not addressed my explanation, showing its error.

I think it is you that misses the Gospel.

You seem to think the Christian is still under the power of the Devil. It sounds to me that
you lessen what Christ did on the cross and is doing as our Priest.

But the Priest is mediator between God and sinful man.
The Priest offers atonement for sin.

If we do not sin after salvation, why do we need a Priest?

It seems to me that you have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.

Sorry, I never deny the power of the blood which bought me and forgives my sin when I confess.

 

[gotime]

My response is the Bible in 1Jn 1:8-10.

And you have not addressed my explanation, showing its error.






But the Priest is mediator between God and sinful man.
The Priest offers atonement for sin.

If we do not sin after salvation, why do we need a Priest?


Sorry, I never deny the power of the blood which bought me and forgives my sin when I confess.

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

We would both agree that this is true of the person who comes to acknowledge they are sinners in the beginning.

Where I think we disagree is that this is saying we will never be able to be without sin. (correct me if I am wrong in that assumption)

If that were the case then what John says in chapter 2 and 3 can not be.

The simple point I am making is that John is not suggesting that one can never be without sin in Christ. But in order to have the benefits of Christ I need to admit that I have sinned. From there Christ empowers us to no longer sin.


As for the priest I agree but that is not all the priest does. The priest cleanses sin out of the life of the sinner.
As it is prophesied:

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.


Christ has gone to His temple as High Priest to cleanse His people of all sin.

Here is a question that might help me get your point.

Do you believe that Christs has the power to stop me from sinning?

 

[Elin]

We all know that we are Justified by faith in Jesus but is that all?

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

notice that we are justified by his blood, then Paul says "much more" we shall be saved from wrath through him.

who is the wrath for?

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

In Ro 1-3 Paul is establishing the unrighteousness of all mankind, Jew and Gentile alike.

In Ro 1:18 Paul is speaking of the unrighteousness of the Gentiles, not of believers.

notice wrath is against ungodliness and unrighteous men who what? hold the truth in unrighteousness. They know about Justification and hold onto it but with unrighteousness/sin.

and again:

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

wrath for those who are unrepentant/ do not turn away from their sins.

Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

notice we will be rendered according to our deeds what we do.

one group do well and get life the other do not obey the truth but what? Unrighteousness and get wrath.

Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

so wrath for the ones who do evil/sin
Glory and honor for those who do good and notice what determiners good or bad deeds?

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

so the law is our judge of good or bad deeds you break it you sin evil deeds. you keep it you obey unto righteousness Good deeds.

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

So the law is in our hearts and is seen in what we do.

In Ro 2, Paul is speaking of the unrighteousness of the Jews.
Then in Ro 3, he concludes with the unrighteousness of all mankind.
No one is righteous, not even one.

This is all to show mankind's need of a Savior.

It is the law that shows sin:

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

So then the Gospel is not simply and only forgiveness of sin but much more it is the power of God to transform us from sinners to doers of the law.


Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

much more than being reconciled we are saved by His life. how?

Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

His life gives us newness of life. we no longer serve sin but God in His power.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

We are justified by faith and we are sanctified by that same faith.

Actually we are sanctified through the obedience of faith through the power of the Holy Spirit.

We are no longer held by the old nature it is dead if you are still walking in sin then your old nature is alive and well.

Take Hold of the arm of God by faith and taste true rest.

True rest from our own work to save ourselves,
but not rest from the obedience of faith which sanctifies through the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Elin]

My response is the Bible in 1Jn 1:8-10.

And you have not addressed my explanation, showing its error.

But the Priest is mediator between God and sinful man.
The Priest offers atonement for sin.

If we do not sin after salvation, why do we need a Priest?

Sorry, I never deny the power of the blood which bought me and forgives my sin when I confess.

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

We would both agree that this is true of the person who comes to acknowledge they are sinners in the beginning.

Where I think
we disagree is that this is saying we will never be able to be without sin. (correct me if I am wrong in that assumption)

I will be without habitual sin, a sinful lifestyle, but I will not be sinless until I die.

Are you saying your behavior has been perfect since you were saved?

Why is the NT filled with so many exhortations to believers against sinning, if we are perfectly sinless at salvation?

If that were the case then what John says in chapter 2 and 3 can not be.

The simple point I am making is that John is not suggesting that one can never be without sin in Christ. But in order to have the benefits of Christ I need to admit that I have sinned. From there Christ empowers us to no longer sin.

But this is not making sense.

So I'm saved, but I am still sinning until I admit that I have sinned, and then Christ empowers me to no longer sin?
So I can be saved and still be a sinner.

I think psychomom says it best:

"i am a sinner saved by grace; not a 'sinless perfectionist'.
and i never really thought i'd have to make that clarification. "

And all God's people said, "Amen!"

As for the priest I agree but that is not all the priest does. The priest cleanses sin out of the life of the sinner.
As it is prophesied:

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.


Christ has gone to His temple as High Priest to cleanse His people of all sin.

Here is a question that might help me get your point.

Do you believe that Christs has the power to stop me from sinning?

Christ/God has the power to do whatever he wills.

That is not the issue.

The issue is what he wills, which is revealed in his word, and where our disagreement lies.

 

[gotime]

In Ro 1-3 Paul is establishing the unrighteousness of all mankind, Jew and Gentile alike.

In Ro 1:18 Paul is speaking of the unrighteousness of the Gentiles, not of believers.


In Ro 2, Paul is speaking of the unrighteousness of the Jews.
Then in Ro 3, he concludes with the unrighteousness of all mankind.
No one is righteous, not even one.

This is all to show mankind's need of a Savior.



Actually we are sanctified through the obedience of faith through the power of the Holy Spirit.


True rest from our own work to save ourselves,
but not rest from the obedience of faith which sanctifies through the power of the Holy Spirit.

I think you missed the whole point of the post.

 

[MyLighthouse]

It's the idea of striving for perfection, keeping focus on the goal. We will be perfect one day, just not while we have this body :/

 

[ELECT]

​Really! Is it possible that we can survive one day without sin?
Why did Jesus command such an impossible thing when He said, "Be perfect even as your Father which is heaven is perfect", and then contradicting, "No one is good accept God"

Was Adam perfect ?
Were angels perfect ?
Are the angel in heaven perfect ?

 

[Elin]

In Ro 1-3 Paul is establishing the unrighteousness of all mankind, Jew and Gentile alike.

In Ro 1:18 Paul is speaking of the unrighteousness of the Gentiles, not of believers.

In Ro 2, Paul is speaking of the unrighteousness of the Jews.
Then in Ro 3, he concludes with the unrighteousness of all mankind.
No one is righteous, not even one.

This is all to show mankind's need of a Savior.

Actually we are sanctified through the obedience of faith through the power of the Holy Spirit.

True rest from our own work to save ourselves,
but not rest from the obedience of faith which sanctifies through the power of the Holy Spirit.

I think you missed the whole point of the post.

OK. . .but I know I didn't miss the point of Romans.

 

[gotime]

OK. . .but I know I didn't miss the point of Romans.

maybe not but what I said does not go against the backdrop of Paul's message. Paul stresses that wrath in every part weather Jew or Gentile is always against those who do unrighteousness.

 

[gotime]

I think peoples problem here is their answers are not based on faith in Gods word but on their own experience.

Tell me what sin is there that can not be fully overcome in Christ?

 

[Elin]

I think peoples problem here is their answers are not based on faith in Gods word but on their own experience.

Tell me what sin is there that can not be fully overcome in Christ?

You didn't answer my questions:

Are you saying your behavior has been perfect since you were saved?

Why is the NT filled with so many exhortations to believers against sinning, if we are perfectly sinless at salvation?

 

[gotime]

You didn't answer my questions:

Are you saying your behavior has been perfect since you were saved?

Why is the NT filled with so many exhortations to believers against sinning, if we are perfectly sinless at salvation?

No I can not tell you that, not sinning and being perfect are not the same.

Since I have been saved I have found grace and power in Jesus to not commit sin that I have been convicted of by His Spirit. But as I grow in Christ I learn of more sin in my life that I need to repent of/turn away from. Then that sin becomes past and no longer has power over me.

The NT has many exhortations because people were sinning, the very existence of the exhortations proves that it must be possible to stop or else they are but wasted words with no genuine meaning.

My argument is not that one is perfected at the moment of salvation but rather that in Christ we can overcome all sin. This does not happen straight away except for those sins you are aware of at conversion. We grow as we come closer to Christ and we change also.

I can tell you this, Sin does not have dominion over me because of Christ. Satan can not make me sin, My old nature is dead and thus can not make me sin. I can only sin when my eyes are off my Lord. There is still mercy when we stuff up if we repent, but we can not sin deliberately. and we can overcome sin in Christ.

For a simple example:

Before Christ I stole, Then the law showed me that stealing is sin and I was convicted by the law as a sinner. Then Christ freed me from the condemnation of the law by His blood. And He gave me the Holy Spirit to overcome my old nature which died with Him.

Now I steal no more, and In the power of Christ I need never ever steal again. Not in any way or form. That same victory can be had in every area in life through Christ.

That does not mean I have no sin in my life but rather I am surrendered in every area I know. As I grow in the knowledge of the scriptures, and closer to Jesus the more I see His perfect character I see more clearly sin and thus I grow as I see wrong I repent and then in His grace overcome that sin as so on it goes.

Can I say I am sinless? I can never say that even if it is the case, why? because I have learned not to trust self, let me illustrate.


when I first began to understand the power of the life of Christ promised to us, I repented of sins I had fought for years. I suddenly found a power to overcome and put those sins behind me. I remember how different it was, suddenly when I Knelt at the end of the day to confess my sins, the usual suspects were not there, I could recall nothing in which I knew I was sinning against God. I was tempted to think I had made it by His power and indeed I had made it to that point by His power. I was greatly encouraged by this and my faith grew.

But as days went by and I studied the word more I began to grasp sin more than I had to that point and started to realize by the Spirit sins in my life that I never even thought of as sin before that point. as so I confessed them and found power to overcome them also. It is truly from Faith to Faith.

What I learned from this experience is that I can not trust my self and thus cast all my trust and faith in Jesus. So am I perfect? well yes in Christ but am I sinless, I have not yet attained but I do press forward to the high calling with full faith and assurance that Christ will get me to the finish line.

But this I do know, My conscience is clear of any sin because of His Grace and power. This does not justify me because it is the work of God in me. And thus it is He who justifies us.

and I am convinced that no matter my experience Sin can be overcome fully and entirely by Gods Grace. My experience backs this because though I may have not yet attained to the goal, If God can give me victory to the point He has then the only thing that can stop it from going all the way is if I turn from Him or lack faith in Him to preform that which He has promised.

 

[gotime]

I suppose another way of putting it is this:

The true converted christian has no rebellion in them at all. When Jesus says go they go, when Jesus says stop they stop.

This is true of sin also, when Jesus points out a sin through the Spirit the converted Christian by faith ceases to commit that sin.

I think many Christians who still sin are not in a rebellious state. But they still commit these sins because they lack the knowledge of the word to overcome and thus they lack faith.

 

[gotime]

Another point is this, I believe that those who say it impossible to not sin in this life are those who lack understanding of the scriptures. They know not the promises by experience. And thus they take their experience of falling and read the bible in a way that allows for their experience.

But His is able to keep you from falling. He is able to deliver you out of all temptation.

 

[MatthiasProctor]

Remember, all it t takes is one unrepentant sin to send even righteous Christians to hell.

 

[tribesman]

​Really! Is it possible that we can survive one day without sin?
Why did Jesus command such an impossible thing when He said, "Be perfect even as your Father which is heaven is perfect", and then contradicting, "No one is good accept God"

That verse does not imply that we can be exactly literally as almighty God is, that is not the intention of that verse. In the sight of God all His elect are seen as perfect, because they have not their own righteousness, but the righteousness of God, which is Christ Jesus.

Num.23

[21] He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: the LORD his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them.

2Cor.5

[21] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Eph.5

[27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Heb.10

[12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
[13] From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
[15] Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
[16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
[17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
[18] Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[19] Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

 

[Elin]

Are you saying your behavior has been perfect since you were saved?

Why is the NT filled with so many exhortations to believers against sinning, if we are perfectly sinless at salvation?

No I can not tell you that, not sinning and being perfect are not the same.

Then we are agreed.

Perfect is "complete," it is not sinlessness, and we are complete in Jesus Christ,
even though we still sin.

Which brings us back to 1Jn 1:8-10 and what to do when we sin and are not sinless.

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Since I have been saved I have found grace and power in Jesus to not commit sin that I have been convicted of by His Spirit. But as I grow in Christ I learn of more sin in my life that I need to repent of/turn away from.

Are you saying the sin was hidden to you?

Do you think those with whom you share responsibilities would say that all your sin is hidden to them?

Then that sin becomes past and no longer has power over me.

The NT has many exhortations because people were sinning,

So we are in agreement.

Believers do sin after salvation, hence 1Jn 1:8-10.

the very existence of the exhortations proves that it must be possible to stop or else they are but wasted words with no genuine meaning.

My argument is not that one is perfected at the moment of salvation but rather that
in Christ we can overcome all sin.

OK. . .but the issue is not about overcoming all sin, it's about actual sinning after salvation and the command of 1Jn 1:8-10 to confess that sin to be cleansed of it.

This does not happen straight away except for those sins you are aware of at conversion. We grow as we come closer to Christ and we change also.

I can tell you this, Sin does not have dominion over me because of Christ. Satan can not make me sin, My old nature is dead and thus can not make me sin. I can only sin when my eyes are off my Lord. There is still mercy when we stuff up if we repent, but we can not sin deliberately. and we can overcome sin in Christ.

We are in agreement. . .and that is what 1Jn 1:8-10 is talking about.

For a simple example:

Before Christ I stole, Then the law showed me that stealing is sin

I don't mean to pry. . .but you actually did not know that stealing was sin?

and I was convicted by the law as a sinner. Then Christ freed me from the condemnation of the law by His blood. And He gave me the Holy Spirit to overcome my old nature which died with Him.

Now I steal no more, and In the power of Christ I need never ever steal again. Not in any way or form. That same victory can be had in every area in life through Christ.

That does not mean I have no sin in my life but rather I am surrendered in every area I know.

We are agreed. . .believers do sin and are to confess their sin for its cleansing (1Jn 1:8-10).

Thanks for clarifying it for me.

 

[forsha]

I think you missed the whole point of the post.

I think you both have missed it. After Christ paid for the sins of those that God gave him, God now looks upon them as having no sin, as far as eternal salvation is concerned, but we still commit sins, but they have already been paid for and will not keep us from heaven, even if they are not repented of. Christ did not die in vain, he did pay for all of the sins we will ever commit. John 6:39, he will not lose even one of those that he died for but raise them up at the last day.