A woman as a Pastor? Does it make it right if there is a need for pastors?
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Yes you, with all due respect to you as babes in CHRIST, thank you.
'Good Luck' and 'Feng Sui' kind of related together. Chinese religion believers use them for welcoming worldly prosperity 'spirits' into their homes and lives so that good health, wealth and long life remain in them. They use objects attached to their body, in their house, vehicles, etc. Their homes are also build according to the doctrine of those words.
We as believers who love only one MASTER CHRIST and despise the other, haste not to welcome any of them into our lives, homes and on others. For they may bring curse from a 'jealous GOD' we serve, when we ignore and accept and speak them, because HE as our Savior and not anybody, require from HIS children loyalty and faithfulness towards HIS Word, who is CHRIST of the written New Covenant to 'abide'.
As it is written about GOD's jealousy who gives this commandment to HIS children that;
"Do not be conformed to the pattern of this world but rather let/allow GOD to renew your thinking."
'Good Luck' and 'Feng Sui' kind of related together. Chinese religion believers use them for welcoming worldly prosperity 'spirits' into their homes and lives so that good health, wealth and long life remain in them. They use objects attached to their body, in their house, vehicles, etc. Their homes are also build according to the doctrine of those words.
We as believers who love only one MASTER CHRIST and despise the other, haste not to welcome any of them into our lives, homes and on others. For they may bring curse from a 'jealous GOD' we serve, when we ignore and accept and speak them, because HE as our Savior and not anybody, require from HIS children loyalty and faithfulness towards HIS Word, who is CHRIST of the written New Covenant to 'abide'.
As it is written about GOD's jealousy who gives this commandment to HIS children that;
"Do not be conformed to the pattern of this world but rather let/allow GOD to renew your thinking."
As it is written that, 'our thinking is corrupt and our hearts are deceitful'.
As it is also written, prophets are chased from own to town and are banned from the Temple when they speak the truth and only liar remain in 'hypocrisy' with each other and putting up with each other.
Trusting in the LORD JESUS CHRIST, i am not at all surprised nor fear what men and alike can do. i was taught the Holy Bible and reminded the same written things over and over again by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, just to be 'joy' and 'excited' when these things 'may' happen'
For HE said and still speaks that they did these very same things to the prophets who lived long ago. They think they are doing a favor for GOD. He also said and speaks, as HE Himself was a victim caused by HIS very own and it is written that;
"Your worst enemy will be in you own household."
"They hate you because they hated me first."
"Go ahead and rejoice and again I say rejoice, rejoice ......................................"
JESUS said to Pilate the governor who boasted CHRIST life is in his hand, this;
"If GOD have not willed, you can do 'nothing' to me."
God bless you.
As it is also written, prophets are chased from own to town and are banned from the Temple when they speak the truth and only liar remain in 'hypocrisy' with each other and putting up with each other.
Trusting in the LORD JESUS CHRIST, i am not at all surprised nor fear what men and alike can do. i was taught the Holy Bible and reminded the same written things over and over again by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, just to be 'joy' and 'excited' when these things 'may' happen'
For HE said and still speaks that they did these very same things to the prophets who lived long ago. They think they are doing a favor for GOD. He also said and speaks, as HE Himself was a victim caused by HIS very own and it is written that;
"Your worst enemy will be in you own household."
"They hate you because they hated me first."
"Go ahead and rejoice and again I say rejoice, rejoice ......................................"
JESUS said to Pilate the governor who boasted CHRIST life is in his hand, this;
"If GOD have not willed, you can do 'nothing' to me."
God bless you.
As it is written and spoken to those who are ignorant to CHRIST's words of 'spirit' and 'life' written in the New Covenant for authority called submission and obedience in practices, as an prophetical earlier reminder and stir up of memory, to 'turn back' now to their MASTER's every spiritual words that;
"On that day many will say to me, LORD, LORD did we not 'prophesy' in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? And then will I declare to them, I never knew you, depart from me, you workers of 'lawlessness'."
"An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgement with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. The queen of the South will rise up at the judgement with this generation and condemn it, for she came from ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here."
"On that day many will say to me, LORD, LORD did we not 'prophesy' in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? And then will I declare to them, I never knew you, depart from me, you workers of 'lawlessness'."
"An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgement with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. The queen of the South will rise up at the judgement with this generation and condemn it, for she came from ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here."
So you are making the preaching an issue of outside the assembly?
Who would you usually preach to if not some sort of group gathered together?
In today's world, what with technology such as Skype, women preach, teach, and pastor to people sitting at home on their computers. Is this an assembly?
Confusing, very confusing.
God is not the author of confusion.
Those posting on this thread who would have us discriminate against women are the authors of confusion.
I will ask these questions again, but nobody is answering them:
Is a female pastor engaging in sinful behavior that must be repented and turned away from? What about preaching and teaching? Is that sinful behavior?
Are men who support that female pastor, belong to her church or whatever, engaging in sinful behavior that must be repented and turned away from?
I would ask that some of those who would have us discriminate against women attempt to answer these questions, rather than go off on long rambling posts that don't do anything but make me yawn.
Who would you usually preach to if not some sort of group gathered together?
In today's world, what with technology such as Skype, women preach, teach, and pastor to people sitting at home on their computers. Is this an assembly?
Confusing, very confusing.
God is not the author of confusion.
Those posting on this thread who would have us discriminate against women are the authors of confusion.
I will ask these questions again, but nobody is answering them:
Is a female pastor engaging in sinful behavior that must be repented and turned away from? What about preaching and teaching? Is that sinful behavior?
Are men who support that female pastor, belong to her church or whatever, engaging in sinful behavior that must be repented and turned away from?
I would ask that some of those who would have us discriminate against women attempt to answer these questions, rather than go off on long rambling posts that don't do anything but make me yawn.
I do not define the role of local church pastor to include this woman. Was she used of God as a powerful witness? Evidently that is the truth. Could she have fulfilled the position of local church pastor? No. Were many of the men you encountered filling that role? No. This is a problem in the church today. Men who are not called and anointed by God to be local church pastors. As you noticed many pastors are not even Christians themselves. Many would label them apostates or wolves in sheep's clothing but they are not the pastors God gifts to the church as per Ephesians 4:11
God has wonderful people like the woman you describe who are powerful witnesses for Him. Every Christian should be a witness like the woman you describe. In her humility she was greatly honored by God even above the male pastors you encountered who were estranged from the God they claimed to represent.
The disciples of Christ of whom we account ourselves are to disciple others. To encourage and challenge ourselves and the folks we encounter to live for Christ. To testify of what Christ has done for us and what Christ will do for them.
This woman on the street like the woman at the well was a far more effective witness for Christ than the pastors, who had charge of a pulpit, you encountered and the Jewish priests in the temples when Jesus walked on this earth.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God has wonderful people like the woman you describe who are powerful witnesses for Him. Every Christian should be a witness like the woman you describe. In her humility she was greatly honored by God even above the male pastors you encountered who were estranged from the God they claimed to represent.
The disciples of Christ of whom we account ourselves are to disciple others. To encourage and challenge ourselves and the folks we encounter to live for Christ. To testify of what Christ has done for us and what Christ will do for them.
This woman on the street like the woman at the well was a far more effective witness for Christ than the pastors, who had charge of a pulpit, you encountered and the Jewish priests in the temples when Jesus walked on this earth.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yes thank you being in the same Kingdom sound doctrine knowledge 'spirit' and that is what also the Pharisees added and called then 'tradition' and burden them on the society of Israel and later were rebuked and corrected, when they came against JESUS's testimony/word of the New Covenant,
'He said they do all these added things called 'tradition' of their ancestors without fail and neglect the most important thing given, the commandments of GOD'.
Are we not witnessing that in our church families and when we are disturbed by CHRIST and called to speak and highlighted these deception, the church is offended and we are accused for insulting them. We are then reported and the 'Administrator' have to caution us. And they even after that boldly continue to comment on that person will soon 'banned'.
What a theatrical behavior bunch of hypocrisy who refuse to repent in our 'prophesying'.
Jeremiah try to caution Israel to turn back from their religious hypocrisy and abomination against GOD and when there was no repentance, then he warned against the brutal enemy attack by GOD's will in punishment and when there was still no repentance, then he told them to surrender in the hands of the enemy be taken into exile.
Jeremiah was just randomly chose from the community and called him to speak on behalf 'I AM THAT I AM' and further GOD kept on disturbing him to go and speak for him and help them to repent for they are violating HIS written Covenant and are in hypocrisy worshiping me and offering sacrifice.
Did the people of Israel informed or know or recognize him as a prophet? How did the congregation leaders treated him time after time, who only brought unpleasant news from a far during prosperity.
Jeremiah complained to GOD, in tricking him with unpleasant news to give to the people. Jeremiah even doubted whether it was from GOD. He said that he wanted to stop speaking for GOD but GOD's word was bubbling out of his mouth and he was unable to contain them.
GOD even cautioned Jeremiah that if he do not speak, HE would make Jeremiah look 'terrified' in front of them.
Have you read about this suffered servant caught in between GOD and HIS lawless hypocrisy children.
What if you meet someone similar close to you testifying hypocrisy and abomination in the churches today?
All men and women taught serving GOD taking the high position in HIS congregation is blessed. That is of this world standards churches doctrine because according to the testimony of GOD and HIS standards totally unlike this world, because the Kingdom Standards say that Jeremiah's given and served in suffering position given by GOD, is the high and blessed in the Kingdom.
Not also forgetting others and greater and greatest like the MESSIAH and the Apostles and the ancient church and the no voice church suffering today in a dictator regime.
Here we are arguing like the disciples for the best seat in the MASTER's banquet and what was the Kingdom standards answer given by JESUS?
Do we 'truthfully' believe in HIM and understand 'ELOHIM' standards, who art in Heaven?
How JESUS 'lamented' for Jerusalem that day, today HE 'laments' for the church and who is ready and would go for HIM???????????
We brag about 'big' things for CHRIST, even a nation for HIM, but we have never fulfilled even the small ones HE gave us.
That is why we are where we are, boasting, bragging and debating like 'empty vessels'.
Thank you again brethren and be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
'He said they do all these added things called 'tradition' of their ancestors without fail and neglect the most important thing given, the commandments of GOD'.
Are we not witnessing that in our church families and when we are disturbed by CHRIST and called to speak and highlighted these deception, the church is offended and we are accused for insulting them. We are then reported and the 'Administrator' have to caution us. And they even after that boldly continue to comment on that person will soon 'banned'.
What a theatrical behavior bunch of hypocrisy who refuse to repent in our 'prophesying'.
Jeremiah try to caution Israel to turn back from their religious hypocrisy and abomination against GOD and when there was no repentance, then he warned against the brutal enemy attack by GOD's will in punishment and when there was still no repentance, then he told them to surrender in the hands of the enemy be taken into exile.
Jeremiah was just randomly chose from the community and called him to speak on behalf 'I AM THAT I AM' and further GOD kept on disturbing him to go and speak for him and help them to repent for they are violating HIS written Covenant and are in hypocrisy worshiping me and offering sacrifice.
Did the people of Israel informed or know or recognize him as a prophet? How did the congregation leaders treated him time after time, who only brought unpleasant news from a far during prosperity.
Jeremiah complained to GOD, in tricking him with unpleasant news to give to the people. Jeremiah even doubted whether it was from GOD. He said that he wanted to stop speaking for GOD but GOD's word was bubbling out of his mouth and he was unable to contain them.
GOD even cautioned Jeremiah that if he do not speak, HE would make Jeremiah look 'terrified' in front of them.
Have you read about this suffered servant caught in between GOD and HIS lawless hypocrisy children.
What if you meet someone similar close to you testifying hypocrisy and abomination in the churches today?
All men and women taught serving GOD taking the high position in HIS congregation is blessed. That is of this world standards churches doctrine because according to the testimony of GOD and HIS standards totally unlike this world, because the Kingdom Standards say that Jeremiah's given and served in suffering position given by GOD, is the high and blessed in the Kingdom.
Not also forgetting others and greater and greatest like the MESSIAH and the Apostles and the ancient church and the no voice church suffering today in a dictator regime.
Here we are arguing like the disciples for the best seat in the MASTER's banquet and what was the Kingdom standards answer given by JESUS?
Do we 'truthfully' believe in HIM and understand 'ELOHIM' standards, who art in Heaven?
How JESUS 'lamented' for Jerusalem that day, today HE 'laments' for the church and who is ready and would go for HIM???????????
We brag about 'big' things for CHRIST, even a nation for HIM, but we have never fulfilled even the small ones HE gave us.
That is why we are where we are, boasting, bragging and debating like 'empty vessels'.
Thank you again brethren and be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Are there female disciples of Christ today?
Were there female disciples at the time of Christ?
The word disciple means one who spreads the doctrine of another, does it not?
How do you to spread that doctrine if you don't do things like teach and preach?
And it's wrong for a woman to spread that doctrine to men by teaching and preaching?
And it's wrong for a woman to spread that doctrine from the pulpit of a church?
And it's wrong for a woman to pastor to those that she teaches the doctrine to?
As in, apply that doctrine to real life situations?
In most churches I have attended, of many different denominations, the pastor and the main preacher/teacher are the same person.
Those posting on this thread who would have us discriminate against women are making distinctions about what a woman can and can not do that are inconsistent, unrealistic, and impractical. Oh, and not biblical.
Were there female disciples at the time of Christ?
The word disciple means one who spreads the doctrine of another, does it not?
How do you to spread that doctrine if you don't do things like teach and preach?
And it's wrong for a woman to spread that doctrine to men by teaching and preaching?
And it's wrong for a woman to spread that doctrine from the pulpit of a church?
And it's wrong for a woman to pastor to those that she teaches the doctrine to?
As in, apply that doctrine to real life situations?
In most churches I have attended, of many different denominations, the pastor and the main preacher/teacher are the same person.
Those posting on this thread who would have us discriminate against women are making distinctions about what a woman can and can not do that are inconsistent, unrealistic, and impractical. Oh, and not biblical.
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It matters little whether Deborah was a saint or an ain't. What matters is
that she lived in the Old Testament era; she did not live in the New
Testament era. In the New Testament era, Christ's ways trump Deborah's
ways.
†. Heb 1:1-2 . . In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the
prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has
spoken to us by His son.
†. Matt 17:5 . .Behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a
voice out of the cloud, saying: This is My beloved son, with whom I am well
pleased: Listen to him!
†. John 3:36 . . He who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the
wrath of God abides on him.
This is as good a time as any to bring up the fact that Christ is not only a
savior, and not only the head of his church; but also a monarch. Well;
monarchs typically do not condone insurrection in their realms. In point of
fact, one of the scariest parables that Christ ever told ends like this:
†. Luke 19:27 . . But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want
me to reign over them, and slay them before me.
The sweet little baby away in a manger is very capable of smashing his
opponents; and in point of fact, according to the 2nd Psalm; is set on it.
It amazes me sometimes at the number of people I encounter wearing a
Christian name tag who refuse to let Christ tell them what to do. They prefer
to be Christians on their own terms instead of his terms as if they were the
head of Christ's body instead of him. Forget about women usurping male
authority: that's small potatoes compared to the number of Christians
usurping Christ's authority.
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It matters little whether Deborah was a saint or an ain't. What matters is
that she lived in the Old Testament era; she did not live in the New
Testament era. In the New Testament era, Christ's ways trump Deborah's
ways.
†. Heb 1:1-2 . . In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the
prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has
spoken to us by His son.
†. Matt 17:5 . .Behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a
voice out of the cloud, saying: This is My beloved son, with whom I am well
pleased: Listen to him!
†. John 3:36 . . He who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the
wrath of God abides on him.
This is as good a time as any to bring up the fact that Christ is not only a
savior, and not only the head of his church; but also a monarch. Well;
monarchs typically do not condone insurrection in their realms. In point of
fact, one of the scariest parables that Christ ever told ends like this:
†. Luke 19:27 . . But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want
me to reign over them, and slay them before me.
The sweet little baby away in a manger is very capable of smashing his
opponents; and in point of fact, according to the 2nd Psalm; is set on it.
It amazes me sometimes at the number of people I encounter wearing a
Christian name tag who refuse to let Christ tell them what to do. They prefer
to be Christians on their own terms instead of his terms as if they were the
head of Christ's body instead of him. Forget about women usurping male
authority: that's small potatoes compared to the number of Christians
usurping Christ's authority.
=============================
Christ's ways trump Moses' ways.
†. Heb 1:1-2 . . In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the
prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has
spoken to us by His son.
†. Matt 17:5 . .Behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a
voice out of the cloud, saying: This is My beloved son, with whom I am well
pleased: Listen to him!
†. John 3:36 . . He who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the
wrath of God abides on him.
†. Heb 3:3-6 . . Jesus deserves far more honor than Moses, just as a person
who builds a fine house deserves more praise than the house itself. For
every house has a builder, but God is the one who made everything. Moses
was certainly faithful in God's house, but only as a servant. His work was an
illustration of the truths God would reveal later. But Christ, the faithful Son,
is in charge of the entire household.
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†. Heb 1:1-2 . . In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the
prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has
spoken to us by His son.
†. Matt 17:5 . .Behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a
voice out of the cloud, saying: This is My beloved son, with whom I am well
pleased: Listen to him!
†. John 3:36 . . He who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the
wrath of God abides on him.
†. Heb 3:3-6 . . Jesus deserves far more honor than Moses, just as a person
who builds a fine house deserves more praise than the house itself. For
every house has a builder, but God is the one who made everything. Moses
was certainly faithful in God's house, but only as a servant. His work was an
illustration of the truths God would reveal later. But Christ, the faithful Son,
is in charge of the entire household.
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Let's try to unwind it... I wrote
then, you talked about
so, I wrote this
I wanted to see if you (or anyone) thought that the scriptures that talk about slavery should be followed today, in the same way that most Christians (I think) followed them in Paul's day... and if we don't then that implies a change in how the bible is read...
then, you talked about
so, I wrote this
I wanted to see if you (or anyone) thought that the scriptures that talk about slavery should be followed today, in the same way that most Christians (I think) followed them in Paul's day... and if we don't then that implies a change in how the bible is read...