Religon Vs. Science

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My savior is real. Not a concept.
A person is not a theory. Evolution is a theory. Poorly and recklessly believed by faith.

This is why God tells those foolish enough to deny him that "they are without excuse,for all of creation testifies to my existance"
Maths is a theory. Would you say you have to have faith to believe that two apples plus two apples equals four apples? Conceptualizing and theorizing based on evidence and facts aren't the same things as believing because of emotional or psychological need, or for any other reason.
 
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Originally Posted by Nicole_

Brought up in a household with no encouragement to find my faith, I was left to find God on my own. Through the years I've struggled trying to understand how science and the bible tell the same past. My heart tells me God is there but science is factual.

According to the bible, our Earth is only 6,000 years old. Science tells us the world is actually 4.54 BILLION years old. Evidence of this comes from fossils and artifacts. A big confusion to me is the era of dinosaurs and why they aren't specifically mentioned in the Bible. In addition, there are many fossils that date back to millions of years ago.

I've never believed in evolution but recently evidence has shown that all dogs descend from wolfs. If this is true, this transition would've taken thousands and thousands of years. Much longer than 6,000 short years. And of course this raises the question of evolution. Still, I have a hard time believing we come from monkeys. (Again I do not believe in evolution- my example is in reference to the timeline of creation.)

The list of science examples can go on and on. I love science but the more I learn the more I question God and that terrifies me. Please help



The separation of the species alone makes evolution impossible. No matter what kind of wolf or dog can be modified through selective breeding..............IT IS STILL A DOG
 
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Bingo!

They re indeed prejudiced.
Evolution "explains",rolleyes,godlessness. Disenfranchising God is it's motive aand intent.
Atheism is actually a religion. Its church is the public schools.Its bible is darwins origin of the species.Its spirit is the devil.Its blood sacrifice is the aborted millions.Its priests and gurus are colledge professors.Its statement of faith is evolution.

Note that it begins with atheism and all of atheism points to evolution,because evolution is the false peace man needs to ease the torment of a godless existance
Disenfranchisement of God should not be (and I would argue isn't usually) the intent for evolutionary theory. The intent in theorizing based off evidence is to find ways to explain that evidence. Now, within the scientific paradigm, those events must be explained naturally, for science is about the natural and physical world, not the metaphysical (that which is not natural). So, science not only should not be used to try to disprove the notion of God, it should actually have no part whatsoever in metaphysical matters.
 
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The separation of the species alone makes evolution impossible. No matter what kind of wolf or dog can be modified through selective breeding..............IT IS STILL A DOG[/I][/COLOR]
It is, and that's what is logically concluded given the human application of classification of organisms. Just because a dog (a definition we, as humans ascribe to it) is biologically different to a cat (a definition, we as humans, ascribe to it) and they selectively breed with like organisms, does not mean that those dogs have always existed, nor that other organisms did not have naturally selected for mutations that led to genetic diversification.
 

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Brought up in a household with no encouragement to find my faith, I was left to find God on my own. Through the years I've struggled trying to understand how science and the bible tell the same past. My heart tells me God is there but science is factual.

According to the bible, our Earth is only 6,000 years old. Science tells us the world is actually 4.54 BILLION years old. Evidence of this comes from fossils and artifacts. A big confusion to me is the era of dinosaurs and why they aren't specifically mentioned in the Bible. In addition, there are many fossils that date back to millions of years ago.

I've never believed in evolution but recently evidence has shown that all dogs descend from wolfs. If this is true, this transition would've taken thousands and thousands of years. Much longer than 6,000 short years. And of course this raises the question of evolution. Still, I have a hard time believing we come from monkeys. (Again I do not believe in evolution- my example is in reference to the timeline of creation.)

The list of science examples can go on and on. I love science but the more I learn the more I question God and that terrifies me. Please help

Science vs ‘religion’

The God of Abraham says He spoke the universe into existence out of nothingness; Science tells us that out of nothingness kaboom there it was. This same God says He took a single ‘rib’ to separate the woman from the man… science tells us a single chromosome is all that separates the male and female zygotes. The world’s top propeller heads say that 90% of what makes up the universe we can’t see or detect… we only know it by how it affects that which we can see and detect. And that same God tells us that there is indeed a whole ‘nother realm of existence, one that we are currently cut off from and can’t see or detect, other than how it affects that which we can see and detect.

And oh by the way He also says He wants His 10% back.

Science is the story of God's creation. How it sounds just depends on who's reading it to you.
 
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Maths is a theory. Would you say you have to have faith to believe that two apples plus two apples equals four apples? Conceptualizing and theorizing based on evidence and facts aren't the same things as believing because of emotional or psychological need, or for any other reason.
And what,pray tell ,can you impress us with regarding a "superior,mindset" you want us to believe you have,that would define the TOTAL absence of ANY transitional fossils existance???

And please do post those thousands of fossils that would litter the planet if evolution had a "prayer" of possibility.

I do not care if the fairy tale of evolution demands a trillion years of earth age for a cloak of viability. The eyeball is not an EVOLVABLE candidate.

Ever thought about why we need 2?
 
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Science vs ‘religion’

The God of Abraham says He spoke the universe into existence out of nothingness; Science tells us that out of nothingness kaboom there it was. This same God says He took a single ‘rib’ to separate the woman from the man… science tells us a single chromosome is all that separates the male and female zygotes. The world’s top propeller heads say that 90% of what makes up the universe we can’t see or detect… we only know it by how it affects that which we can see and detect. And that same God tells us that there is indeed a whole ‘nother realm of existence, one that we are currently cut off from and can’t see or detect, other than how it affects that which we can see and detect.

And oh by the way He also says He wants His 10% back.

Science is the story of God's creation. How it sounds just depends on who's reading it to you.
Nowhere does the big bang say that nothing came from something. That violates the laws of thermodynamics. Please learn what the big bang theory says.

One chromosome is very different from one rib. As for it being ''just one'', that isn't ally anywhere near an accurate analogy, in fact it's misleading. The sex chromosomes (the 23rd) are a pair of chromosomes like any other pair, except they dictate sexual characteristics. How rib and chromosome relate in your mind is a subject of wonder to me.

As for ''we can't see 90% of the universe'', that's because we exist in a planet with specific frames of view. Nomatter where we look out at the stars from, on Earth, if we extend that viewpoint across the galaxies and stars the geometric positions of our viewings will make us unable to see ''the gaps between''.

Believing what we see, observe, can look at or experiment with, or understand properly, is just logical. Do you want us all to believe in what we don't even know exists?
 
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It is, and that's what is logically concluded given the human application of classification of organisms. Just because a dog (a definition we, as humans ascribe to it) is biologically different to a cat (a definition, we as humans, ascribe to it) and they selectively breed with like organisms, does not mean that those dogs have always existed, nor that other organisms did not have naturally selected for mutations that led to genetic diversification.
Wrong. We have ZERO reason to believe otherwise. We do not need to believe obama was once a lizzard. Only insanity would cling to that bizzare concept and build from recklessness.

This is what evo has done.
 
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Do you want us all to believe in what we don't even know exists?
And yet our schools teach the faith of a made up concept ,evolution,with no bassis of fact to our children every day.
 
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And what,pray tell ,can you impress us with regarding a "superior,mindset" you want us to believe you have,that would define the TOTAL absence of ANY transitional fossils existance???
You do understand that there are thousands of transitional fossils, but since I'm almost certain you're of the position of compartmentalizing species without realizing their progressive nature, I will explain this to you briefly. Animals evolve slowly, taking on small physical differences, mutations, and passing these on. These mutations are accumulative in particular lineages and so when we see a fossil of a fish with a retracted jaw bone, then look higher in the strata and see a fossil of a fish with a further retracted jawbone, we call those two samples by different names (we apply a species name to them). They are BOTH transitional fossils, and they BOTH show progressive changes in physical characteristics. The only thing, really, that defines how we classify species as different to one another is time. Does that make more sense?

And please do post those thousands of fossils that would litter the planet if evolution had a "prayer" of possibility.
You do realize fossilization requires very specific conditions? Not all skeletons fossilize, in fact only a small fraction of all dead animals become fossils, and we have found thousands upon thousands of them, all over the world.

I do not care if the fairy tale of evolution demands a trillion years of earth age for a cloak of viability. The eyeball is not an EVOLVABLE candidate.
From what? An eyeball could certainly evolve gradually from cupped photosensitive cells. We find photosensitive cells in basic form in plants, and as we go up the fossil record we see species with more complex forms.

Ever thought about why we need 2?
Well, we don't, but two is better than one, and the body is generally symmetrical (two kidneys, two lungs, two arms, two legs, two hands, two feet, two shoulders, two nipples) etc etc.
 
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And yet our schools teach the faith of a made up concept ,evolution,with no bassis of fact to our children every day.
Just because you don't properly understand how there's a basis for fact, how evolution works or how we've come to the conclusion that animals have evolved from others, doesn't mean that evolution is untrue. You simply don't understand it properly, as I can see from your posts.
 
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Wrong. We have ZERO reason to believe otherwise. We do not need to believe obama was once a lizzard. Only insanity would cling to that bizzare concept and build from recklessness.

This is what evo has done.
That made no logical sense at all.
 
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Wonder why a blue jay can not mate with a cardinal?

Jesus.

Thats why. He put the barrier there. Nothing else can explain it.
 
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Wonder why a blue jay can not mate with a cardinal?

Jesus.

Thats why. He put the barrier there. Nothing else can explain it.
Sexual incompatibility is why. The reason sexual incompatibility exists is because lineages evolve in different ways to form different organism with different mating characteristics. Again, because you don't understand how, you're reverting to what scientists call ''God of the gaps''. ''We don't understand it, so it must be God''.
 
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That made no logical sense at all.

evolution as a theory=That made no logical sense at all.

Look at the MACHINE OF THE DIGESTIVE TRACT. A massive undeniable machine that all health comes from.

You want us to believe it came from trial and error? The brain?
 
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Sexual incompatibility is why. The reason sexual incompatibility exists is because lineages evolve in different ways to form different organism with different mating characteristics. Again, because you don't understand how, you're reverting to what scientists call ''God of the gaps''. ''We don't understand it, so it must be God''.
Uh,no,you are reaching. Please do note that both kinds of birds do indeed have both male and female.
 
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You do understand that there are thousands of transitional fossils
You must be very young to believe that.

There are zero!!

YOU HAVE NO TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS
 
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An eyeball could certainly evolve gradually from cupped photosensitive cells.
No,sorry,that is why you have to have faith that evo is true. You have zero basis for your belief. You only hope that it is possible.

We both know it is impossible.
 
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Just because you don't properly understand how there's a basis for fact, how evolution works or how we've come to the conclusion that animals have evolved from others, doesn't mean that evolution is untrue. You simply don't understand it properly, as I can see from your posts.
Nope. It is crystal clear you are hoping with zero basis. You are running on faith.No facts.
 
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Uh,no,you are reaching. Please do note that both kinds of birds do indeed have both male and female.
Can you mate with a pig? The reason you can't procreate with a pig is the same reason two different species of birds don't procreate. A functional difference in physical characteristics. I really can't be bothered debating with a person who obviously doesn't understand what they're talking about.