We will be resurrected bodily one day in the likeness of Christ.

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peacefulbeliever said:
I really don't see what the above has to do with anything that I posted but again - Are you saying that when we are raised we will be "Hebrew"? I am just trying to clarify what you are saying.
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Yes, that is what I am saying. In the bodily resurrection of the saints, we will be in the likeness of Christ (Like the Scriptures say). Christ will still have his same physical body He always had since the Incarnation. It is not a new glorified body. It is still the same body that is in the lineage of Adam and Abraham. For Christ had to redeem us and forever be our intercessor with the flesh of mankind. Christ could not redeem us and continue to be our mediator if had different flesh (i.e. horse flesh or some glorified hybrid spirit and physical flesh); And seeing Jesus is a Jew physically, we will be the same, as well.


I was just trying to clarify what you were saying and instead of just answering my questions - you posted a bunch of scriptures . . . Why is it so hard just to answer in your own words what you are saying? Thanks.
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Please take note that I did explain the verses. If you will look again, every set of verses is under a descriptive category or heading.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Yes, that is what I am saying. In the bodily resurrection of the saints, we will be in the likeness of Christ (Like the Scriptures say). Christ will still have his same physical body He always had since the Incarnation. It is not a new glorified body. It is still the same body that is in the lineage of Adam and Abraham. For Christ had to redeem us and forever be our intercessor with the flesh of mankind. Christ could not redeem us and continue to be our mediator if had different flesh (i.e. horse flesh or some glorified hybrid spirit and physical flesh); And seeing Jesus is a Jew physically, we will be the same, as well.

Please take note that I did explain the verses. If you will look again, every set of verses is under a descriptive category or heading.
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This is what we know from scripture:

He could change form in his resurrected body: Mark16:12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them as they walked and went into the country.

He was flesh and bone: Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Apparently the flesh and bone was of a different material than what we have now because he could "appear":
Luke 24:36 And as they thus spake Jesus himself stood in the midst of them and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
John 20:19 . . . when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. . . v26 And after eight days again his disciples were within and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

We know that we will bear the image of the heavenly [1 Cor. 15:49]. We know that the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality [1 Cor. 15:52b,53]

We know that when he shall appear we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. [1 John 3:2]

As for as our "nationality" being changed . . . I don't see it.
 
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This is what we know from scripture:

He could change form in his resurrected body: Mark16:12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them as they walked and went into the country.

He was flesh and bone: Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Apparently the flesh and bone was of a different material than what we have now because he could "appear":
Luke 24:36 And as they thus spake Jesus himself stood in the midst of them and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
John 20:19 . . . when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. . . v26 And after eight days again his disciples were within and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

We know that we will bear the image of the heavenly [1 Cor. 15:49]. We know that the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality [1 Cor. 15:52b,53]

We know that when he shall appear we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. [1 John 3:2]

As for as our "nationality" being changed . . . I don't see it.
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Soooooo is Jesus of a different physiology before his crucifixion just because he walked on water? No. Of course not. That would be silly. Anymore than his physiology was any different than after his resurrection. For his ability to walk thru walls was a miracle. Just as his ability to walk on water was a miracle.

As for being resurrected after the likeness of Christ:

Do you believe Jesus is Jewish physically?

Do you believe we will have the same flesh as He does or different flesh?

Will we be made after the likeness of Christ as Scripture says?
 
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Does 1 Corinthians 15 mention a hybrid version of flesh and spirit or does he distinguish between the two?
 
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Jason0047 said:
Soooooo is Jesus of a different physiology before his crucifixion just because he walked on water? No. Of course not. That would be silly. Anymore than his physiology was any different than after his resurrection. For his ability to walk thru walls was a miracle. Just as his ability to walk on water was a miracle.
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I believe I was quoting scripture concerning AFTER he rose from the dead - in his resurrected body. I do believe that it was the physiology of his risen body that enabled him to walk through doors but the walking on water was given him to do from the Father.
As for being resurrected after the likeness of Christ:

Do you believe Jesus is Jewish physically?

Do you believe we will have the same flesh as He does or different flesh?

Will we be made after the likeness of Christ as Scripture says?
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Yes, I believe Jesus was a Jew.

I believe that I have the same flesh as a Jew, a Indian, an African American, a Gentile - ANY human being [maybe slightly different coloring .:)] A flesh that is just "dust". Does "flesh" make one a Jew, etc.?

Yes, we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is . . . .
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I believe I was quoting scripture concerning AFTER he rose from the dead - in his resurrected body. I do believe that it was the physiology of his risen body that enabled him to walk through doors but the walking on water was given him to do from the Father.
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But Scripture does not actually say that now does it. It doesn't specifically say that his physiology is different. For someone can say the same thing about his physiology before his crucifxion; However, if the text does not specifically state that fact, then it is not true.

Yes, I believe Jesus was a Jew.

I believe that I have the same flesh as a Jew, a Indian, an African American, a Gentile - ANY human being [maybe slightly different coloring . A flesh that is just "dust". Does "flesh" make one a Jew, etc.?

Yes, we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is . . . .
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You have dormant DNA from Adam of all the races, but you do not have the activated genes that make up the flesh and characteristics of all the races. I mean, I imagine if God wanted to activate all the genetic material of all races within a person to be seen, I suppose nothing is impossible with God. But this is not the norm. Yes, black couples have had a white child and it was genetically theirs. But again, this is not the norm. If you know anything about family trees and looking up a person's ancestry, you would know that people have appeared to be one race or another. So unless you have the appearance of a Native American or another race, you really cannot say you are those races. For no one in your ancestry that you are aware of is of those races. Jesus made a distinction between Jews and Gentiles in his early ministry. So your denial of the distinction is a denial of what the Lord believes. Yes, Jesus came to bring both Jews and Gentiles together as one. But these are different cultures or races coming together. In other words, you cannot own a casino in Indian country unless you can prove you have Native American blood within you, etc.

Jesus said salvation is of the Jews. Jesus is Jewish as you admitted. So that means believers will be Jewish physically in some way because we will be resurrected in His likeness.
 
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Also, do you believe that Christ had no power when He was a man and that He did not use none of that power during His Earthly ministry? Yes, I believe Jesus suppressed His divine attribute of Omniscience and relied on God the Father and the Holy Spirit for various things, but I do not believe the Son of God incarnate was completely powerless, though. Do you agree or disagree?
 
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I agree:

Galatians chapter 3

[26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


I agree with this as well:

Galatians chapter 6

[15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
[16] And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.


You lost me here.

What do you mean that we'll "be resurrected by HIS flesh and blood"?

I know that when we see Him that we'll see Him as He is or that we'll get glorified bodies, but where does the Bible teach that we'll receive "HIS flesh and blood"?

Anyhow, I'm still curious as to what MyLighthouse meant, so I'll wait for her explanation. IOW, although I agree that as Christians we're part of "the Israel of God", this very same "Israel of God" excludes many/most natural born Israelites.

Finally, out of respect for the OP, I think that it's best that we (you and I) not get off topic here. IOW, I'm simply asking her to please clarify her opening comment and there are other threads about "Israel" where we can always continue our own discussion.
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Jesus body is glorious (Philippians 3:21) but it is not a different flesh than Adam's flesh. For how else he could have redeemed us? Jesus' body is glorious because he did not sin and it does not have a sin nature. His body is glorious because it is immortal. I don't know where Christians get the false idea that we will have glorified bodies (i.e. a hybrid body that is both spiritual and physical), but the Bible does not mention such a thing. Read 1 Corinthians 15. Paul makes a distincition between spirit bodies and physical bodies. You will see no mention of glorified bodies. In fact, when Jesus returned, He said to His disciples that he had flesh as they had. If Jesus did not have flesh as they had, then he would have been lying.
 
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I think Christians force themselves into a wrong corner on this point based on their misunderstanding of 1 Corinthians 15:50 that says flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. However, if they were to read John 3:13 they would learn that no man has ascended up to Heaven but the Son of Man. This is saying that no physical flesh and blood man has ascended up in Heaven as flesh and blood except Jesus Christ who is the Son of Man. Only Jesus (Who still has a physical body) is in Heaven. No other human will go to Heaven with their physical body. The Kingdom of God (In this case) is in reference to Heaven and not the Millennium and or the Eternal New Earth.
 
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Jason0047 said:
But Scripture does not actually say that now does it. It doesn't specifically say that his physiology is different. For someone can say the same thing about his physiology before his crucifxion; However, if the text does not specifically state that fact, then it is not true.
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"I believe I was quoting scripture concerning AFTER he rose from the dead - in his resurrected body. I do believe that it was the physiology of his risen body that enabled him to walk through doors . . ." Scripture says he was flesh and bone - he appeared in a room with shut doors - he could just appear although his body was flesh and bone. So something was different in that flesh and bone body that enabled him to do that - scripture doesn't record any other record of him doing just "appearing from nowhere" so I figure since it is recorded after his resurrection - it's for a reason.
You have dormant DNA from Adam of all the races, but you do not have the activated genes that make up the flesh and characteristics of all the races.
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So ALL human beings do not carry basic human DNA?
I mean, I imagine if God wanted to activate all the genetic material of all races within a person to be seen, I suppose nothing is impossible with God. But this is not the norm. Yes, black couples have had a white child and it was genetically theirs. But again, this is not the norm. If you know anything about family trees and looking up a person's ancestry, you would know that people have appeared to be one race or another. So unless you have the appearance of a Native American or another race, you really cannot say you are those races. For no one in your ancestry that you are aware of is of those races. Jesus made a distinction between Jews and Gentiles in his early ministry. So your denial of the distinction is a denial of what the Lord believes. Yes, Jesus came to bring both Jews and Gentiles together as one. But these are different cultures or races coming together. In other words, you cannot own a casino in Indian country unless you can prove you have Native American blood within you, etc.
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The coloring in one's skin is produced by melanin . . . . the darker the skin - the more melanin - the lighter the skin - the less melanin but bottom line is ALL human beings are the same. The difference in Jews and Gentiles wasn't the difference in their genetic makeup as human beings . . . different cultures yes - but the same as human beings. Remember God is no respecter of persons.
Jesus said salvation is of the Jews. Jesus is Jewish as you admitted. So that means believers will be Jewish physically in some way because we will be resurrected in His likeness.
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So you believe that because we will be raised in "his likeness" that it has nothing to do with the way he is in his resurrected body but we will be raised in his nationality?

I just don't see it that way.
 
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Jason0047 said:
I think Christians force themselves into a wrong corner on this point based on their misunderstanding of 1 Corinthians 15:50 that says flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. However, if they were to read John 3:13 they would learn that no man has ascended up to Heaven but the Son of Man. This is saying that no physical flesh and blood man has ascended up in Heaven as flesh and blood except Jesus Christ who is the Son of Man. Only Jesus (Who still has a physical body) is in Heaven. No other human will go to Heaven with their physical body. The Kingdom of God (In this case) is in reference to Heaven and not the Millennium and or the Eternal New Earth.
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I believe scripture says he was flesh and bone NOT flesh and blood.
 
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There are several problems with this line of thinking that Jesus did not have blood after His resurrection.

For one, 1 Corinthians 11:27 says, "Wherefore whosever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord."

How can you be guilty of the blood of the Lord if he doesn't have anymore blood to be guilty of? You can't be guilty of something that no longer exists.

Second, 1 John 1:7 says, "...if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

Meaning, Christ still has to give a person His blood in the present moment if they are to walk in the light as he is in the light.

Third, Jesus tells the disciples that he is unlike a spirit. He tells them to handle him. Jesus says he has flesh and bones. He is real. Physical. Jesus said he is unlike a spirit. Jesus was letting him know that he was physical. They could touch him. (Luke 24:39-43). This parallels what is said in 1 John 1:1-4 about hwo they handled the Word of Life (Jesus). In other words, Jesus was real.

Four, if Jesus was just onlly flesh and bone with no blood, he would look like a zombie. His disciples would notice such a thing and point out how he looked scary and different.
 
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