DeMystifying the Trinity

[ChristInUs]

Oneness is complete heresy.

The egg yoke analogy is wrong because God is not the result of separate things.

The thing with oneness is who did Jesus pray to?

 

[Bowman]

if you are told the name is one and the same for all three then it follows all three(in your case four) are each other(the same)...which you say is not so

Each is the One God, but not each other.

This is simple logic...why is it that you cannot understand its utter simplicity?

Are you a simpleton?

the first two scriptures you posted shows nothing representing a trinity...

And...of course....no exegetical reasoning on your part, whatsoever.

Just sheer, unadulterated and meritless assertion....just like Elin.


You two should get together and have a meritless assertion contest....

the last one was never recorded as being done by the apostles ...they baptised only in the name of Jesus...and I am contending that it is either the apostles disobeyed a direct order from Christ or the original text was altered...

Proving the point that Jesus has the same One Name, Yahweh.

 

[ChristInUs]

Again disdain and name calling, certainly not fruit.

 

[Bowman]

The thing with oneness is who did Jesus pray to?

Jesus teaches us to pray in The Father's singular name...of which, is the same singular name as the Son and Spirit. (Mat 6.9 - 13)

 

[Bowman]

Again disdain and name calling, certainly not fruit.

Jesus routinely rebuked unbelievers, and called them the equivalent of 'idiots'....

 

[ChristInUs]

Jesus teaches us to pray in The Father's singular name...of which, is the same singular name as the Son and Spirit. (Mat 6.9 - 13)

Wrong my friend were are to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus and by the Holy Spirit.

 

[ChristInUs]

Jesus routinely rebuked unbelievers, and called them the equivalent of 'idiots'....

He was talking to the pre church called Pharisee's and Sadducees and not individuals.

 

[Elin]

This sets the stage for the end of Exo 33, where Moses is allowed to see the Glory of Yahweh (i.e., The Son & the Spirit).
The face of Yahweh the Father cannot be seen.

When Moses' asked God to show him his glory, God's response was that
he would show Moses his goodness (Ex 33:18-19).

God's glory is his goodness . . .which he showed to Moses as he passed in front of him proclaiming, "the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin." (Ex 34:6-7)

And...?

Non-responsive.

 

[Bowman]

Wrong my friend were are to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus and by the Holy Spirit.

Show us...

 

[Bowman]

He was talking to the pre church called Pharisee's and Sadducees and not individuals.

Wrong....but thanks for the admission anyway...

 

[Bowman]

Jesus said Ex 3:6 was said by God the Father (Mt 22:31).

The Greek says 'Theou'...and when we consult the Hebrew context of Exo 3.6 it is Malek Yahweh talking....again, thanks for confirming that Malek Yahweh is God The Son!

 

[Elin]

We can all see your astounding ignorance of the original languages.....from your original 'irrelevancy'...to where you are just now beginning to google a quasi-response.

Keep googling....

Heb 1:1 By many portions and in various forms, God spoke to the fathers in the prophets

Firstly, the text is referring to how God spoke through the prophets, not through the angels or any other divine messengers.

Show us in the Greek....

Secondly,the phrase "various forms" in the Greek is "many ways" (polytropos).

It does not indicate differing "forms" in the sense of the characteristic
form or feature of a person or thing, but rather
differing manners (Ro 3:2; Php 1:18) of speaking through the prophets.

The differing manners of speaking through the prophets were
fragmentary,
occasional only,
lacking in fullness,
lacking in finality,

all of which we now have in the words spoken by his Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2),
whose superiority to the prophets and what they spoke is demonstrated in that
he was appointed heir of all things,
through him the universe was created,
he is the radiance of God's glory,
he is the exact representation of God's being.
he sustains all things by his powerful word, and
he is seated at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven (Heb 1:2-3),

none of which can be said about any of the prophets.

Heb 1:1-2 is not referring to different forms of messengers,
it is referring to different manners of the messages.

Hebrews informs the reader that communication is now through the Son...
in the past, the Son was known as Malek Yahweh, El Shaddai, etc, etc.

In that last sentence, what is the import of the last half of the sentence in relation to the first half?

Show us a verifiable reference.

Not that you EVER have, of course....but now would be a good time for you to start looking like a scholar instead of a scriptural ignorance who can only assert and never defend...

Non-responsive.

Do we have our evidence for the accountable Christian?

 

[ChristInUs]

Show us...

The Lords prayer is a prime example. Prayer is Directed to the father and by the means of Jesus Christ and is spurned by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Elin]

Jesus said Ex 3:6 was said by God the Father (Mt 22:31).

The Greek says 'Theou'...and when we consult the Hebrew context of Exo 3.6 it is Malek Yahweh talking....again, thanks for confirming that Malek Yahweh is God The Son!

But when we consult Jesus' words, it is God the Father (Mt 22:31).

 

[Bowman]

The Lords prayer is a prime example. Prayer is Directed to the father and by the means of Jesus Christ and is spurned by the Holy Spirit.

Again...

Show us...

 

[Bowman]

But when we consult Jesus' words, it is God the Father (Mt 22:31).

Nope.

Show the scripture...let it do the speaking.....

 

[ChristInUs]

Again...

Show us...

Okay I already gave you the Lords Prayer which is directed to the Father, Jesus say's that no man comes to the Father accept by Me. Do I have to give you scripture for that?

Romans 8:26

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

 

[newbirth]

Each is the One God, but not each other.

This is simple logic...why is it that you cannot understand its utter simplicity?

Are you a simpleton?

it is so simple....each is the one God...how many each are there ...three...so there are three one Gods...that is logic...each is not the other,,,,,,,what you are asking is outside logic

And...of course....no exegetical reasoning on your part, whatsoever.

Just sheer, unadulterated and meritless assertion....just like Elin.


You two should get together and have a meritless assertion contest....

it is not there ....no need for reasoning...

Proving the point that Jesus has the same One Name, Yahweh.

sorry only He posses his name...

Philippians 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:


Acts 4:8-12King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[Elin]

Nope.

Show the scripture...let it do the speaking.....

Reference given.

 

[newbirth]

Jesus routinely rebuked unbelievers, and called them the equivalent of 'idiots'....

in one swipe you have made yourself like Jesus and made me an unbeliever