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An Oneness believer does not need to re-write anything to believe Oneness. What is essential is understanding Christology, and the duality of Christ. However there are many verses that a trinitarian would have to ignore or re-write to continue to believe in the Trinity. Many i have already given, but I am asured you ignore them because that is what indoctinated people do, no matter what their false belief, ignore scripture that disproves their beliefs.
How can Jesus be God the Father when He prayed to the Father? He would be talking to Himself.Also, how can He be the Father when He died on the cross and the Father is the one that raised Jesus from the dead?Also, remember right before dying, Jesus said "father into thy hands, I commend my spirit"(Luke 23:46) and Jesus couldn't commend His own Spirit into His own hands. How can Jesus be the Father and the Son? It's not possible to be your own Father and Son. Matthew 28:19 says Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, bapitizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.(the Trinity).
2 Corinthians 13:14 the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. A-men' (the Trinity)
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Isreal: The Lord, our God is one Lord. Okay that's where people get their argument of saying it's all one, BUT the thing is, true the three are one, BUT that's speaking metaphorically, they are one, as in they are all one connected through spirit/soul. Also this verse is speaking about how nations were worshiping many Gods and had fallen into idolatry, worshiping the creation rather than the true Creatror.
Galatians 4:3-6 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that are under the law, that we might recieve the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying Ab'ba, Father.
In the new testiment, God revealed that He is not only one but a family of persons/people. An eternal, inexhaustable, and dynamic triunioin family of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who are one in will and purpose, love and righteousness.
The relationship of the Father and Son is prominent in the gospels becasue jesus, the eternl Son who takes on human flesh, is most visible to us as he strikes a responsive chord through the Father-Son relationship. All the while, the Holy Spirit is in thebackground, serving as our eyes of faith. The Trinity of Father, son, and Holy Spirit is portrayed by Jesus' trinitatian teaching(John 14-16). This truth is expressed in the total ministry of Jesus as recorded in all four gospels as well as in the rest of the one in bringing the lost person hom again into a redemed family of belivers.
The Fater serves the Son; the Son serves the Father; Father and Son defer to the Holy Spirit, who in turn, serves and defers to the Father and Son in a oneness that is eternally dynamic and inexhaustible.
In His preaching in the sybagogue at Nazareth Jesus fulfilled Isiah 61:1-2 claiming taht "the Spirit of the Lord is upon Me''(Luke4:18) andindicating the triune family was at work in Him as the servant Son. At the transfriguration, the voice of the Father spoke again in approval of Jesus the Son to the innermost circle of disciples (Luke 9:35).
Jesus rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and in the Father who had delivered all things to the Son (Luke 10:21-22). He claimed to be acting in the place of God and through the power of the Holy Sprit, who is the "finger" of God (Matthew 12:28; Luke 11:20).
2 Corinthians 13:14 the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. A-men' (the Trinity)
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Isreal: The Lord, our God is one Lord. Okay that's where people get their argument of saying it's all one, BUT the thing is, true the three are one, BUT that's speaking metaphorically, they are one, as in they are all one connected through spirit/soul. Also this verse is speaking about how nations were worshiping many Gods and had fallen into idolatry, worshiping the creation rather than the true Creatror.
Galatians 4:3-6 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that are under the law, that we might recieve the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying Ab'ba, Father.
In the new testiment, God revealed that He is not only one but a family of persons/people. An eternal, inexhaustable, and dynamic triunioin family of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who are one in will and purpose, love and righteousness.
The relationship of the Father and Son is prominent in the gospels becasue jesus, the eternl Son who takes on human flesh, is most visible to us as he strikes a responsive chord through the Father-Son relationship. All the while, the Holy Spirit is in thebackground, serving as our eyes of faith. The Trinity of Father, son, and Holy Spirit is portrayed by Jesus' trinitatian teaching(John 14-16). This truth is expressed in the total ministry of Jesus as recorded in all four gospels as well as in the rest of the one in bringing the lost person hom again into a redemed family of belivers.
The Fater serves the Son; the Son serves the Father; Father and Son defer to the Holy Spirit, who in turn, serves and defers to the Father and Son in a oneness that is eternally dynamic and inexhaustible.
In His preaching in the sybagogue at Nazareth Jesus fulfilled Isiah 61:1-2 claiming taht "the Spirit of the Lord is upon Me''(Luke4:18) andindicating the triune family was at work in Him as the servant Son. At the transfriguration, the voice of the Father spoke again in approval of Jesus the Son to the innermost circle of disciples (Luke 9:35).
Jesus rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and in the Father who had delivered all things to the Son (Luke 10:21-22). He claimed to be acting in the place of God and through the power of the Holy Sprit, who is the "finger" of God (Matthew 12:28; Luke 11:20).
No that's not true, I'm looking for answers. Answers as to how someone can seriously think that Jesus the Son is also God the Father, when we have Biblical facts proving otherwise. The verses and everything, that is proof and backup of what I'm saying. You can't just go and assume someone isn't looking for answers, when you don't know their mind, thoughts, feelings, and heart. So yeah, I'm looking for answers myself.
I have not ignored the scriptures you posted. I have in fact done research using various bible commentaries , from people who know more about it than you or I would ever hope to have.
I have even posted some of them in this forum for you to read. I usually reference my sources.
sounds like your own self-fulfilling prophecy there to me. Keep clinging to your "30 day fast revelations" if you will, and those few verses you cling onto to support your heretical doctrines.
I have even posted some of them in this forum for you to read. I usually reference my sources.
sounds like your own self-fulfilling prophecy there to me. Keep clinging to your "30 day fast revelations" if you will, and those few verses you cling onto to support your heretical doctrines.
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John 17;1-3
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jesus says the Father is the only true God, and Paul says the same.
1st Cor8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father...
And that one true God ''The Father'' was manifest in the flesh as the Son
1st Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
If you don't believe me then Believe Jesus
John 14:7-9
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
And If you wont believe Jesus then I guess believe your pastor or your mother, or whoever you trust in rather than Christ.
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jesus says the Father is the only true God, and Paul says the same.
1st Cor8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father...
And that one true God ''The Father'' was manifest in the flesh as the Son
1st Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
If you don't believe me then Believe Jesus
John 14:7-9
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
And If you wont believe Jesus then I guess believe your pastor or your mother, or whoever you trust in rather than Christ.
ok back up here Onwingsaseagles, I never said I don't believe in or trust God or His word, in fact I do, that's the only person I can believe in. Yeah I'll be sure to ask my mother who isn't a Christian, and doesn't know the word of God, and never was around, that'll help a lot right? Listen, I didn't say anything wrong, I said what the word of God says, I spoke the truth, because God's word is the truth. There's no debate as to what I said, it's just Biblical facts. You know you don't have to prove or defend what you believe in to me or anyone else, BUT also you don't have to go around looking for arguments to start and over nothing. There's nothing to argue in what I said. Your little statement/comment of "If you don't believe me then Believe Jesus, And If you wont believe Jesus then I guess believe your pastor or your mother, or whoever you trust in rather than Christ." was totally uncalled for, you don't know me nor what and whom I believe in, so don't judge or assume things you have no right. You just assume that I believe in someone other than Christ, and I don't. I only believe in Christ, and you can't say other wise, what I said came from His word which is what I believe in. No hard feelings towards you, I'll pray for you, but come on, seriously, don't just assume or judge things or people. God bless you.
Do you now? The truth that had to be revealed to you during or after a 30 day fast? I think you cling to your own revelation, which may or may not be correct. I don't know many people who can go 30 days without food, in fact the only person I know who did 40 days was Jesus. hmm I think I know a fraud when I see one.
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I think it's a bit arrogant to assume we can completely understand the nature of God.
We can't understand the world that he has made. God is much more difficult to comprehend than our visible world.
Many types of Christianity try to resolve two threads in scripture.
1) There is one God.
2) Christ, the Holy Spirit and the Father are each God but aren't identical.
Historically Christians have had more conflict over the Trinity (and the nature of Christ) than over any other doctrine. I don't think it's necessary that we devise a doctrine of the trinity so simple that we can understand it. I'd rather we take the Bible as it is, instead of twisting it to make a doctrine of God so simple we can understand it.
We can't understand the world that he has made. God is much more difficult to comprehend than our visible world.
Many types of Christianity try to resolve two threads in scripture.
1) There is one God.
2) Christ, the Holy Spirit and the Father are each God but aren't identical.
Historically Christians have had more conflict over the Trinity (and the nature of Christ) than over any other doctrine. I don't think it's necessary that we devise a doctrine of the trinity so simple that we can understand it. I'd rather we take the Bible as it is, instead of twisting it to make a doctrine of God so simple we can understand it.
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