You and Sin?

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oldthennew

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11COR10:12.
For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves:
but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

can I relate to this? as I look back through so many years of trials and errors in my life,
then yes, I have been taught by the Greatest Teacher of all mankind to compare myself only to Him,
for when I didn't, and when I compared myself to my peers, if I had perceived myself to do better,
then I would reach a state of 'self-exaltation' and 'thinking myself to be 'above others in my walk',
but low and behold, my measuring stick and my comparison must be only to Jesus Christ
and how He walked,
now, I have to admit that I have a 'long-way-to-go....so please, Good Master, give me your
strength to throw-away my worldly pride and embrace Your Holy, Godly, Humility.....
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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I sure am glad that God is going to settle this between you and I.
As am I. And He will probably provoke a mod to take care of it. Too bad you won't be able to stick around long.
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blue_ladybug

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I sure am glad God knows what you typed out and posted in reply to the questions I asked you.

at least God knows I speak the truth when i say im not a blue ladybug..you on the other hand have trouble understanding that concept..
 
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at least God knows I speak the truth when i say im not a blue ladybug..you on the other hand have trouble understanding that concept..
Well, we are certainly going to see about that now won't we? We shall see what God has to say about this. I know what is going to happen.
 
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Mitspa

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There is only One that is sinless...and that I might be found in Him! :)
 

blue_ladybug

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Well, we are certainly going to see about that now won't we? We shall see what God has to say about this.

I can hardly wait to see you in heaven on judgment day, gonna love to hear you explain to Jesus why you trolled a christian chat site with your ridiculousness..;)
 
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Nope, not at all. You misunderstand what Paul is saying in Romans 7.

Paul clearly says in chapter seven that there was something “in the members” of his body that produced difficulty in his Christian life and made him a prisoner of sin. He uses the term “the flesh” to identify this remnant of the old, dead man – a man we can nonetheless resurrect when our own inner desires, lusts, ambition, or reasoning overpowers the voice of the Spirit within us.

We cannot understand “flesh” as only that thing which leads to sin in one of the three realms in which we manifest it: Sex, Money, or Power. Paul uses ‘flesh” to describe the whole man, body, and soul, and reason. All our faculties are included. Everything within us, even when we are possessed by Christ, longs and strives after the flesh.” “Flesh” equates to all our hidden and not-so-hidden affections and desires that run contrary to God.

The manifestation, struggle, and consequences of the flesh could take up many books. In fact, they have. I think we all know what those consequences are, and certainly, despite the denials, Paul knew them as well. Romans 7:14-25 clearly evidences this. Galatians 5 is another chapter where Paul details, though not in that case personally, the conflict of the Spirit and the flesh. We are only so free from the flesh as we practice to be. So how do we practice to be, how do we overcome the flesh?


All you have is rhetoric. Fallacious rhetoric. Empty words in which you defend ongoing wickedness in salvation.

One can point to Romans 7 all they like and go "see, sin we will and sin we must, proof positive, Paul knew etc."

Yet strip the fluff away from the spin and you have a salvation which leaves you "carnal and sold under sin." There is no way around that.

You are speaking great swelling words of emptiness whilst you cannot cease from sin. Yet the Bible speaks of "ceasing from sin" and "no longer living the rest of our time according to the lusts of men" (1Pet 4:1-2).

You clearly don't actually believe in a real salvation in which you have actually been saved from sin. You have this religion which teaches that you are set free and still enslaved. It is a contradictory nonsense where you have to throw reason out the window in order to hold to it.

When Paul is speak of "in my members" he is speaking of the bondage or addictiveness of sin. When people have sinned over and over their brains a wired to sin, just as a porn addict has brain chemistry which becomes dependent on the chemical releases induced by lusting over pornography. Sin brings with it an insatiable addiction and simple rules given don't break the bondage. The only thing that breaks the bondage is a genuine repentance and then we find victory over temptation via walking according to the Spirit.

That is what the Bible teaches. A Christian is not carnal and sold under sin. A Christian is spiritual and has been set free from sin.

I contend for purity, victory and freedom. You contend for defilement, ongoing defeat, and enslavement, for you view Romans 7 as an illustration of the present Christian walk.

Jesus spoke of heart purity. You don't.


 

gotime

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So sin -- any sin? -- makes us "of the devil" huh?

Rubbish.
Romans 7, NASB
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.
16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.
17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,
23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?
25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

The great apostle struggled, and yes, that is him, in the present day of his writing. It isn't a metaphor, an image, or a pre-saved Paul's perspective. That was Paul's perspective as he sat in a house church in Corinth, dictating directly to Tertius, his scribe. You who claim sin costs us our salvation are blind to the reality of what power we have, but more importantly, Who it actually belongs to. Hint: Not you.
sorry but that is just not true, if you accept your view of Romans 7 hear then you make Paul contradict himself in chapter 8 and 6.

plus you make the bible contradict itself from John.

the very first verse clears it, can you be a slave to sin and free in Christ at the same time?

Can we serve two masters?

Free is free and slave is salve. Romans 8 describes the free man as apposed to Romans 7 which is the slave to sin.
 

gotime

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it makes Paul out to be divided, in one place he says that our Old man/flesh is dead when we accept Christ, then you want us to believe that Paul goes against that in the next chapter and is fighting with a dead man? dont make sense.
 
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I can definitely testify that I have been saved from temptation. But I also cannot tell you that I have always resisted all temptation either.
You have been saved from temptation but you don't always resist temptation? That sounds like a contradiction to me.

The Bible doesn't teach we are "saved from temptation," it teaches we are "saved FROM sin." Blessed is the man who ENDURES temptation is what the Bible says. Temptation is common to man but God does not suffer us to be tempted above that which we are able.

Thus when you don't resist temptation you are CHOOSING sin willfully because the Bible says that you are "able" to do otherwise. The issue then is your heart. Why would you choose evil over good? Think about that.

I do believe that when we sin, we do commit transgression against God. I do believe that we cannot do such a thing anymore. But I also know that we will do it, at some point, and we will rely on Gods grace to save us from it.
So we cannot do such a thing anymore but we will do such a thing. Which is it? You just contradicted yourself again.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. We are either set free from sin or we are not set free from sin. This notion of "sin you will and sin you must" is pure insanity.

What did Jesus mean when He told people to "go and sin no more"? We have a woman caught in adultery, she receives mercy from Jesus, so off she goes with the commandment of "stop sinning," what does she do? Does she follow your words of "well we can't sin but we still will." Well?

I struggle everyday with sin, and when I give in its my fault.
Well stop doing that. Jesus said "go and sin no more." You are claiming that you persist in disobedience to Jesus. You have obviously not repented if you are doing that. The Prodigal Son didn't make trips back to the pig pen every now and then after he repented, he forsook it once and for all. That is what we have to do.

I am generally good at not giving in, it is rare that I do. But even still, we do slip up, when we do does that mean we are now unforgiven?
Well what does the Bible say?

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

If you still engage in sin then you have not forsaken sin have you? No forsaking = No mercy. We have to confess and forsake our sin, not keep doing it.

How would it work in a marriage? A husband keeps committing adultery and keeps telling his wife, "well I am generally good at not giving in, but sometimes I slip up and have sex with other women." You think that would work in a marriage? I don't think so. Why would you think it works with God?

Im not saying we must sin and cant help it, and I agree that those who continue to sin are not saved. But think about the stories in the bible, Peter denied Christ 3 times. Do you believe he was not saved? And in 1 Cor 10:10 we are told that grumbling is a sin. Have you never once grumbled since coming to Christ?
We don't have to grumble. I don't grumble. Can we murder sometimes? How about occasionally rape? Where do you draw the line? Grumbling is ok but rape isn't?

Peter denied Jesus three times and then repented. Yes God forgave him but not in the midst of his denial. The Bible says "confess and forsake." You don't believe those parts of the Bible?

James wrote...

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

You don't believe James? We don't actually have to do that? We just sort of obey most of the time but still disobey other times? We serve two masters, both Satan and God, just God a bit more often? Is that what you believe?

What is this insanity? The Bible speaks of heart purity, holiness, walking by the Spirit, victory over sin, ceasing from sin, not walking according to the lusts of the flesh, hearing and doing, obedience to the truth through the Spirit, etc. Is all that stuff meaningless? Just things that are optional whereby we can ignore it and water it down?

My argument is not that sin is unavoidable therefore we can be saved while we sin. Im merely bringing up times that we fail, and rely on the mercy of God to save us.
I don't think you have seriously examined what you believe, especially in the light of what the Bible actually teaches.

Of course we rely on the mercy of God to save us, but not while we keep sinning. The sin has to stop. We have to approach God with a true heart and be cleansed. Once cleansed if we willfully sin there remains no more sacrifice because the whole purpose of the sacrifice was to cleanse us from sin, not to give us an easy forgiveness sin license.

Go and read Hebrew 10. It is very clear. This is not a game, our souls are in the balance here.