God is not Mysterious

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JustinFromTwinCities

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stabbo said:
So long as people keep learning, then yes.
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I think God is giving us as long as He can. I don't believe in man made climate change, but I do believe we are killing each other. I do believe the elite and Satan are killing us every way they can think of poisoning food, water, GMOs, fake wars, poison vaccines, man made viruses, global debt, dividing us by race and turning us against each other, destroying everything which is good that God created (morality, the family, objective truth), poisoning our minds with garbage media etc. And soon they will be ramping it up into overdrive. And honestly it makes sense from a worldview that doesn't include the Bible that we should be kept in check. That we should be in balance with nature so that we dont destroy our planet and humanity. The powers that be think that it is up to them, to play God and make the hard decisions to ensure that humanity continues forever. I don't fault them for that, they are just deceived and don't know the truth.

Well except for the ones that do know the truth lol. There are some that know what is really going on.
 
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JustinFromTwinCities

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I guess you enjoy life apart from God. That's fine too. I don't care for this life. My father is resentful towards God, he is always saying, "Well, if God knew what was going to happen than why did He make us?" and other things which follow that line of reasoning. "Well why did He have to make the 'end times', why are we going to have to suffer?" "Why didn't He just make us perfect?" "Why would He send my grandmother(his grandmother) to hell for eternity?" (oddly enough I can't even get him to consider that the Bible does not teach eternal torment, yet it is one of his biggest stumbling blocks)

He is just a fearful person. He has doubts that God really is who He said He is. Sure, he will say he "believes in God", but what good is that? My father doesn't actually believe God is who He said He is. My father doesn't understand the reasons why God made things the way they or why they 'have' to be like this.

My father says things like, "well its just not fair that his children (me and four others) won't get to experience all the great things and the full life that he did"

But its all nonsense, none of us love this life. Only he does, none of us are afraid of dying or persecution. Only him. He has no real faith yet
 
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Blain said:
God is very mysterious but that is what is so great about him after all who doesn't love a good mystery? we could spend 10,000 years with him in heaven and still not know even a fraction of who he is but that only means we have the joy of spending eternity getting to know him isn't that wonderful?
Also prayer isnt a wish from a genie a lot of times the answer is no or wait but its always for our good even if it doesn't make sense or seem fair, you don't give a child candy whenever they want or buy them toys whever they ask do you?
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People only love a good mystery because in the end they can be solved. But living with a mystery that can never be solved would be worse than living in a nightmare.
 
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JustinFromTwinCities said:
I think God is giving us as long as He can. I don't believe in man made climate change, but I do believe we are killing each other. I do believe the elite and Satan are killing us every way they can think of poisoning food, water, GMOs, fake wars, poison vaccines, man made viruses, global debt, dividing us by race and turning us against each other, destroying everything which is good that God created (morality, the family, objective truth), poisoning our minds with garbage media etc. And soon they will be ramping it up into overdrive. And honestly it makes sense from a worldview that doesn't include the Bible that we should be kept in check. That we should be in balance with nature so that we dont destroy our planet and humanity. The powers that be think that it is up to them, to play God and make the hard decisions to ensure that humanity continues forever. I don't fault them for that, they are just deceived and don't know the truth.

Well except for the ones that do know the truth lol. There are some that know what is really going on.
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When I left Christianity I also lost my world view and I didn't know what to replace it with. But with much persistence I solved a big piece of the "human evil" pie. How I understand evil now has become my world view and it surpasses my old one.
 
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JustinFromTwinCities

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When I left Christianity I also lost my world view and I didn't know what to replace it with. But with much persistence I solved a big piece of the "human evil" pie. How I understand evil now has become my world view and it surpasses my old one.
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What did you determine?
 
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JustinFromTwinCities said:
I guess you enjoy life apart from God. That's fine too. I don't care for this life. My father is resentful towards God, he is always saying, "Well, if God knew what was going to happen than why did He make us?" and other things which follow that line of reasoning. "Well why did He have to make the 'end times', why are we going to have to suffer?" "Why didn't He just make us perfect?" "Why would He send my grandmother(his grandmother) to hell for eternity?" (oddly enough I can't even get him to consider that the Bible does not teach eternal torment, yet it is one of his biggest stumbling blocks)

He is just a fearful person. He has doubts that God really is who He said He is. Sure, he will say he "believes in God", but what good is that? My father doesn't actually believe God is who He said He is. My father doesn't understand the reasons why God made things the way they or why they 'have' to be like this.

My father says things like, "well its just not fair that his children (me and four others) won't get to experience all the great things and the full life that he did"

But its all nonsense, none of us love this life. Only he does, none of us are afraid of dying or persecution. Only him. He has no real faith yet
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You don't care for this world not due to Jesus, but because you lack real answers to your questions.
 
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JustinFromTwinCities

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Which questions?
 
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JustinFromTwinCities

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stabbo said:
I determined that our lack of learning is what's causing our faulty (evil) behaviour, and if we all start teaching our children to love learning by default, most of our problems will go away.
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Well not to be argumentative, but I hope you can be open and honest and we can have a discussion about things. Otherwise, why are we even on this website?

First, what ideology do you suggest should be the foundation for this worldview of learning?
 
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As for understanding how someone feel and broke their leg, simple logic should tell you that is a spelling error.
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It did, just as I understood laying on the ground outside my house with a compound fracture of the right femur that I wouldn't even be able get any medical assistance since all my neighbors were at work and probably wouldn't be home for hours. I couldn't even move off my leg that was twisted underneath me much less have tried to crawl over to the side door and raised to reach a padlock in order to make it to a phone.

But coincidence or the workings of the Holy Ghost my neighbor had called his brother to stop by and check on his house, which he later told me that had a strange feeling that something was wrong. But for whatever reason, I didn't have to lay there for any extended period of time.

I have no doubt that the Holy Ghost could have manipulated the molecules in my leg to have restored the broken bone. But that is not the way of the LORD's will, in my opinion, I serve His will, not Him serving my will. Yet we are healed by the truth, just because it doesn't redefine itself to meet your definition doesn't mean it's a lie, it simply means it is bigger than our narrow perception.

Yet in the Book of John, the 9th chapter, Jesus heals a blind man. So do you think it is impossible for the LORD give sight to those who are visually blind? Or do you think the Gospel is untrue fairy tale?
 
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JustinFromTwinCities said:
Well not to be argumentative, but I hope you can be open and honest and we can have a discussion about things. Otherwise, why are we even on this website?

First, what ideology do you suggest should be the foundation for this worldview of learning?
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Knowledge is it's system and the foundation which the universe and all it's laws depend.
 
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JustinFromTwinCities

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Knowledge is it's system and the foundation which the universe and all it's laws depend.
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How does knowledge influence self seeking behavior? And what should be done with the people who choose to be ignorant and reproduce like rabbits?
 
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JustinFromTwinCities said:
How does knowledge influence self seeking behavior? And what should be done with the people who choose to be ignorant and reproduce like rabbits?
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You suggesting Government implement reproductive limitations of how many kids you can have?
 
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Zmouth said:
It did, just as I understood laying on the ground outside my house with a compound fracture of the right femur that I wouldn't even be able get any medical assistance since all my neighbors were at work and probably wouldn't be home for hours. I couldn't even move off my leg that was twisted underneath me much less have tried to crawl over to the side door and raised to reach a padlock in order to make it to a phone.

But coincidence or the workings of the Holy Ghost my neighbor had called his brother to stop by and check on his house, which he later told me that had a strange feeling that something was wrong. But for whatever reason, I didn't have to lay there for any extended period of time.

I have no doubt that the Holy Ghost could have manipulated the molecules in my leg to have restored the broken bone. But that is not the way of the LORD's will, in my opinion, I serve His will, not Him serving my will. Yet we are healed by the truth, just because it doesn't redefine itself to meet your definition doesn't mean it's a lie, it simply means it is bigger than our narrow perception.

Yet in the Book of John, the 9th chapter, Jesus heals a blind man. So do you think it is impossible for the LORD give sight to those who are visually blind? Or do you think the Gospel is untrue fairy tale?
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You just stated that it's not in your gods will to mend a broken leg by manipulating the particles. Then you refer to the book of John about your god doing that exact thing.
 
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JustinFromTwinCities

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Zmouth said:
You suggesting Government implement reproductive limitations of how many kids you can have?
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Lol, no. I'm just trying to figure out where stabbo is coming from. He is saying that the pursuit of knowledge and an awe of the universe would reduce mankind's sinfulness and lessen the amount of evil that exists in our world.
I can understand that to a degree, but I think it inevitably has to come to the point where those who do not share that worldview and awe will need to be "dealt with" for the greater good of humanity

It's very similar to Obama's speech to the U.N and many of the "elites" ideology that we can become like God without God
 
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JustinFromTwinCities

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They believe we just need a "New World Order". And they are right, we do. The "elite" and the "enlightened" believe that the "New World Order" should be led by man or Lucifer. Where Christians believe that it needs to be led by God Himself
 
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The knowledge of repairing a broken bone was known and the treatment accessible, so the healing was already provided for, so I just had to follow the path.

Well, you assume that I consider the man was God which indicates that you probably aren't even familiar with what is written in John 9, and as far as I know there is no medical procedure even today that can restore sight to the blind. So no, they aren't the same thing.
 
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Zmouth said:
The knowledge of repairing a broken bone was known and the treatment accessible, so the healing was already provided for, so I just had to follow the path.

Well, you assume that I consider the man was God which indicates that you probably aren't even familiar with what is written in John 9, and as far as I know there is no medical procedure even today that can restore sight to the blind. So no, they aren't the same thing.
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