so why are we arguing whos right and whos wrong to what i am and what category i should be in is that a really big deal not one has said "does it really matter he is still human " why do you all have the need to put me into something do you really have no hearts i only made this thread is all of you know what i was a non beliver or what ever and the poem explined some of the reason and yes the poem basically say religion is like a palcebo (fake medicine) but that doesnt mean a placebo is bad yes there are good things about religion but for me its not enough to justicfiy it. yes i have questioned with some of you but i havent gone see no prove become an athesist or what ever or heres my theroy become and athesist becuase it makes more sense i treated you like i treat every i give every1 respect i do what most for you fail to do i treat every1 like a human being is it really that hard for you to do the same
me being an atheist
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Based on the scenario above, you would still choose not to obey even if not obeying meant eternal suffering? You would be willing to place your soul in eternal suffering just to say that your morals are better than what God chooses to be moral or immoral? That is where I am confused. If I were in your shoes at that time, I would choose obedience over suffering. At the very least, I won't have to suffer any more because obedience promises no suffering, no sadness, no sickness, no death, nada except eternal joy and happiness. I mean, who cares what I think... I would've just found out that this being created everything including me. Who am I to say my "morals" are better than his?
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You know what Jesus said?
Jogn 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
also he said:
John 8:34 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
before getting closer to God I thought life with God would limitate my freedom and that it would be a boring life. But I can tell you that I never felt more free than how I feel free now that I decided to follow Jesus.
Most of people who believe God is boring or that he limitates your freedom, have a concept of God that comes from very conservative religious churches that are made of rules and not of the real freedom that comes from God. Wherever Holy Spirit really is, makes thing become alive.
Anyway nice to meet you, my name is Donato
Jogn 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
also he said:
John 8:34 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
before getting closer to God I thought life with God would limitate my freedom and that it would be a boring life. But I can tell you that I never felt more free than how I feel free now that I decided to follow Jesus.
Most of people who believe God is boring or that he limitates your freedom, have a concept of God that comes from very conservative religious churches that are made of rules and not of the real freedom that comes from God. Wherever Holy Spirit really is, makes thing become alive.
Anyway nice to meet you, my name is Donato
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Zavok, if you are still following this thread, please see what I wrote in Post 89 and tell me what you think.
http://christianchat.com/showpost.php?p=176665&postcount=89
http://christianchat.com/showpost.php?p=176665&postcount=89
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Well, everyone's situation is different. For example, I grew up with it and believed - it was easier that way but the hard lesson still happened. Other people chose it after some kind of terrible sin they've committed. At the basis of Christianity, it is God forgiving all our sins through Jesus (if you accept Jesus' sacrifice). So those people find solace and comfort in this rather than, say Buddhism where you have to do works to atone for sins which is nearly impossible - how does one know they've done enough "good?" And what if you do something wrong partway through? I guess it just doesn't make sense for them. Still, for others, Christianity is a humbling experience. All the other world religions rely on self-salvation. You do good deeds to gain salvation. Christianity is the only religion where you must humble yourself enough to admit you're a terrible person, then ask for forgiveness, and finally to accept this Jesus who died and (you would have to accept) that he was resurrected - this Jesus that you can't see, hear, or touch. To these people, it's this requirement of total humility that convinces them - all the other world religions is based on relying on oneself. Christianity is based on relying on a God and a Jesus that you can't even confirm if they're there or not. There are so many experiences that people go through. Perhaps you're going through something yourself and are curious if others have a similar experience? I'm sure people would be happy to share.
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hmmmmm, so that is why you are a atheist? well, this vid explains 100% why i am a christian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp7DhyAJXQ4
no agnostic is a part of atheism apparently learn this on the athesist experience if you dont follow god but say i dont know of hes real or not then your an agonostic athesist if you say you know there is no god then your the other but they both belong to atheism its like you with your different branches of christianty but if you reall have to put me in a group i would be in the first one
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u a true atheist? not believing in ANY power? (not even laws of nature, electricity...?)
and if you need to explain why you are an atheist, you do the same as we d, you preach atheism, your own "religion"
and if you need to explain why you are an atheist, you do the same as we d, you preach atheism, your own "religion"
In my late teens when I had numerous debates with atheists, agnostics and members of other religions my beliefs dipped into agnosticism one day. To be honest, it was a disturbing feeling believing I could die at any moment and that might very well be the end of me. The only thing agnosticism really offered me was a feeling of complete loneliness. It was profound.
Before, I could always bring God to mind and know that he was watching me or guiding me or just being a part of my life. When I slipped into agnosticism I did not accept that same knowledge. When I was alone at night all I had were the shadows and the distinct sense that nothing knew me nor wanted to know me. As far as gaining moral leverage... it never really lasted long enough for me to experiment since I was always debating and researching online.
However, if it had my morals wouldn't've changed too quickly. Besides, I had always been comfortable in my lifestyle as a Christian. It had become rather habitual. I would've been content to hold to that lifestyle. My guess is I probably would've compromised my morals slowly if life progressed and they would've been quite a bit different in my latter days.
Before, I could always bring God to mind and know that he was watching me or guiding me or just being a part of my life. When I slipped into agnosticism I did not accept that same knowledge. When I was alone at night all I had were the shadows and the distinct sense that nothing knew me nor wanted to know me. As far as gaining moral leverage... it never really lasted long enough for me to experiment since I was always debating and researching online.
However, if it had my morals wouldn't've changed too quickly. Besides, I had always been comfortable in my lifestyle as a Christian. It had become rather habitual. I would've been content to hold to that lifestyle. My guess is I probably would've compromised my morals slowly if life progressed and they would've been quite a bit different in my latter days.
I'll Call my Poem Jesus is to me:
Jesus gave me everything I didnt think I needed in an instant,
He always does & He always will, we need only ask,
He is my comfort in times of sorrow my strength in times of weakness,
He is there through all my trials and healed my cousin in his time of illness,
cured from stage 4 cancer when he hadnt eaten in 55 days & was due to die any day,
When my tears are too hard to bear he always sends one of his to comfort me,
He is the Lord of my life who on the day my sons bus was rear ended by a transport truck sent me
a rainbow, beginning on one property peg and ending on the other, you can go to my
profile its there for all to see,
A rainbow is just a rainbow its for all said my husband, so he sent us a rainbow
when travelling that landed on the front of our car and remained for over 10 minutes,
My husband the rainbow sceptic could no longer deny as I weeped and drove,
He is the Lord who the night my mom died a spirit whooshed across my bed,
in praying about what that was, he is the Lord who gave me Job 4-11. I'd never
read job before and this answered that it wasnt an angel or my mom, it was the holy spirit,
sent to prepare and comfort me.
He is the Lord who sent a lady to watch my son, I thought she was a nurse, but she was not. This was in the hospital when i received the news the next morning... and sent the SAME lady 2 days later to the change room where alone I broke down, a stranger from another town who hated shopping wondering why she had the urge that morning to drive 2 hours to the city she'd just returned home from, to buy pants that she didnt really need. Then she saw me, the stranger, crying in the change room over the loss of my mom. She was his faithful servant sent by the Lord to comfort!
He is the Lord who gave me nothing can separate us from the Love of God
which is in Christ Jesus when my friends dad killed his mom & himself in his mental illness,
He is the Lord of no coincidences.
Mostly he is the Lord who forgave me! a thief, a liar, a murderer, a disgusting soul, in an instant that
was washed away, a truly spiritual thing that words could never do justice.
After that he enabled me to see my offender as a pathetic hurt little boy and cry for the him that was,
He gave me pure forgiveness in Christ and in that after several years I was able to offer total forgiveness,
Upon my heart forever is imprinted the salvation of every lost soul i meet. It is because of what
I've been forgiven in that instant that I love the Lord so very much, For he gave me everything.
I do not judge God based on the people he's called to salvation.
I used to call them hypocrites, now I call them people,
We are all failing, God is not & our failure is redeemed by Jesus Christ & I knew this in an
instant, not through biblical or world knowledge but through a single experience in a church
full of hypocrites the day I first believed.
and those beautiful hypocrites prayed with me and cared for me & validated the new found love
that i was overcome with from the inside out.
Not a rhyming poem... I was going to go verse for verse doing the contrast to what you've posted
but nah, this is more me.
Bless your heart! We dont seek to convert you, that is between you and the Lord. I just seek for you to know what the Lord has done for me & not because I in any way deserve his mercy or grace. I received the Lord 20 years ago and its been a slow steady change in my life. I used to think that being a christian would be boring or that those people well they just arent cool... How deceived I was, How deceived! The dark was right & the Light was wrong but the dark never ever fulfilled me. Praise God for the Light of the Lord Jesus Christ.
& God truly bless you. Read the words to the song amazing grace and think about them actually being imprinted upon your heart in knowledge, This IS what the Lord has done for me.
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Just thought i would share this testimony as an EX athiest. I used to be an athiest, and a coworker of mine and me became really close friends. We began to hang out and spend a lot of time together. Eventually one day while we were watching t.v. he turned on this church service that was on t.v. he had visited this church a while back before we had met. I wasnt to happy about his choice of channel at first but i began to watch it and what i heard just made soooo much sense. Eventually we started going to the church. (this was in March of 07) and we went there three days a week for a whole month. On april 1st 07 me and my friend were in church...the pastor had just gotten finished preaching a powerful sermon about being lost. he asked if anyone would like prayer. all of a sudden i felt this power and i didnt know what was going on. it came to me to go up and give my life to God. I obeyed and before i even told the pastor what i had wanted prayer for i begin to feel the annointing of God. Tears were flowing but they werent the same tears i had cried before they were hot but they didnt hurt. i told my pastor i wanted to be saved and so he told me that all i needed to do was ask God to forgive me and confess that I believed in Christ. since that day i have NEVER been the same. I know what you are feeling and it's not so much that you dont believe it's that youre unsure. Trust me i was too, but once i started hearing the word i KNEW that God had to be real and everything in the bible was true. From that day i began to see how his word is true and it just came to life. I am not trying to preach you saved but i do hope that you will take my testimony into consideration at at least just say that youre just not sure. May God open your spiritual eyes