Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?

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gotime

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Please just state if you believe you are perfect in your flesh. The answer is yes or no, I will leave it at that. If the answer is no, I imagine you believe you have not yet learnt to fully submit yourself to God and die to self
How could I claim such a thing, Words are meaningless without actions. I do know my Old man is dead, and Christ is working in me as He promised.

I don't know if I have made it or not, I simply trust in Christ to finish the work He started. I know this and will quote in the words of Paul:

1Co 4:4 For I know nothing against myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

maybe this needs some clarification, cause many don't get how you can not know.

Its simple really, When I submit to Jesus and the old man dies All known sin stops. But I have learned that as you come closer to Jesus The Spirit reveals things to you that you did not know about yourself, He does this through the word or through trials and suffering. But once you become aware you repent confess and are cleansed.

I have learned not to trust in Self but to put my trust in Him who has promised to Finish the work He begun in me. So I can not tell you that I am perfect in the flesh or not. I don't consider myself perfect but I judge not these things but leave that in the hand of the Lord.

My goal is simple, to draw near to God and to trust in His provision.
 

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By the way I don't get that yo yo life anymore, constantly falling into old sins. That used to be my experience but not anymore since I came to understand the Grace of God through Jesus.

Rather it is a constant upward walk forgetting those things which are behind I press forward.
 
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How could I claim such a thing, Words are meaningless without actions. I do know my Old man is dead, and Christ is working in me as He promised.

I don't know if I have made it or not, I simply trust in Christ to finish the work He started. I know this and will quote in the words of Paul:

1Co 4:4 For I know nothing against myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

maybe this needs some clarification, cause many don't get how you can not know.

Its simple really, When I submit to Jesus and the old man dies All known sin stops. But I have learned that as you come closer to Jesus The Spirit reveals things to you that you did not know about yourself, He does this through the word or through trials and suffering. But once you become aware you repent confess and are cleansed.

I have learned not to trust in Self but to put my trust in Him who has promised to Finish the work He begun in me. So I can not tell you that I am perfect in the flesh or not. I don't consider myself perfect but I judge not these things but leave that in the hand of the Lord.

My goal is simple, to draw near to God and to trust in His provision.
I will leave it there
 

Hizikyah

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Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Acts 26:20 English Standard Version
"but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God (YHWH), performing deeds in keeping with their repentance."

Hebrews 12:3-11, "For consider Him Who endured such opposition against Himself from sinners, so that you would not become weary, and faint in your minds. You yourselves have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as unto sons: My son, do not despise the chastening of Yahweh, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom Yahweh loves, He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives. If you endure chastening, Yahweh deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. Furthermore, we have had fleshly fathers who corrected us, and we gave them reverence; should we not even more be subject to Father Yahweh, and live? For they truly chastened us for a few days as they thought best; but He, for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful at the present time, but grievous; nevertheless, afterward it produces the peaceable fruit of righteousness, that is, for those who have been trained by it"

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
 

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The Perfect Priest!;

Hebrews 4:1-15, "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest Who has ascended into the heavens: Yahshua the Son of YHWH, let us hold fast our profession. For we do not have a High Priest Who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all ways tempted as we are--yet was without sin."

Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation;Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."

For it was written long before it happened:

Psalm 110 World English Bible
Hebrews 5:1-7, "YHWH says to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet." 2 YHWH will send forth the rod of your strength out of Zion. Rule in the midst of your enemies. 3 Your people offer themselves willingly in the day of your power, in holy array. Out of the womb of the morning, you have the dew of your youth. 4 YHWH has sworn, and will not change his mind: "You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek." 5 The Lord is at your right hand. He will crush kings in the day of his wrath. 6 He will judge among the nations. He will heap up dead bodies. He will crush the ruler of the whole earth. 7 He will drink of the brook in the way; therefore he will lift up his head."
 

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The Ten Commandments
And YHWH spoke all these words, saying: I am YHWH your Heavenly Father Who brought you out ofthe land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

1 You shall have no hinder gods In My face.

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) another, other, following
1a) following, further
1b) other, different

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
From H0309; properly hinder; generally next, other, etc.:(an-) other (man), following, next, strange.


2 You shall not make for yourselfany carved image; (an idol), in the form of anything in heaven above, or on the earth beneath, or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them nor serve them; for I, YHWH your Father, am a jealous Heavenly Father, punishing the children for the lawbreaking ofthe fathers to the third and fourth generation ofthose who hate Me, But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.


3 You shall not take the Name of YHWH your Heavenly Father to bring it to nothing, for YHWH will not hold him guiltless who brings dishonor upon or profanes His Name.

7723 - shav
shav: emptiness, vanity - Original Word: שָׁוְא - Part of Speech: Noun Masculine - Transliteration: shav - Phonetic Spelling: (shawv) - Short Definition: vain

7723 - shav
NAS Exhaustive Concordance - Word Origin from an unused word - Definition: emptiness, vanity

7723 - shav
Brown-Driver-Briggs שָׁוְא noun [masculine] emptiness, vanity

7723 - shav
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) emptiness, vanity, falsehood - 1a) emptiness, nothingness, vanity - 1b) emptiness of speech, lying - 1c) worthlessness (of conduct)



4 Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, But the Seventh Day is the Sabbath of YHWH your Heavenly Father. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your wife, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor the stranger who dwells within your gates. For in six days YHWH made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them; and rested the Seventh Day. Therefore, YHWH blessed the Sabbath Day, and dhallowed it; YHWH made the Sabbath Day holy.

Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And YHWH rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (ben Nun) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as YHWH did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."

4520 - sabbatismos
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Short Definition: a Sabbath rest
Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.
Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton
Definition - a sabbath rest

2663 - katapausis
katapausis: rest
Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: katapausis
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis)
Short Definition: resting, rest
Definition: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest, dwelling, habitation.
Word Origin - from katapauó
Definition - rest

Contrast words 4520 from Hebrews 4:9 to all the other "NT" mentions of Sabbath:

Hebrews 4:9, "Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH."

4520 - sabbatismos
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Short Definition: a Sabbath rest
Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.
Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton
Definition - a sabbath rest
1 Occurrence


Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"


Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful (PURPOSE) to do righteousness on the Sabbath.

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what YHWH says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to YHWH, speak, saying; YHWH has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what YHWH says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YHWH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to YHWH, to serve Him, and to love the Name of YHWH, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Isayah 58:13-14, "If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in aidle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father--for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

Revelation 21:4-8 And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful.And He said to me: It is done! I am Aleph and Tau, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and worshipers of false gods, and all liars, will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone--which is the second death."


5 Honor your father and your mother, so your days may be long upon the land which YHWH your Father is giving you.

Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."


6 You shall not murder.


7 You shall not commit adultery.


8 You shall not steal.



9 You shall not bear false testimony against your neighbor.


10 You shall not covet; lust after, your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

all is word #G #2087 - heteros
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the other, another, other
1a) to number
1a1) to number as opposed to some former person or thing
1a2) the other of two
1b) to quality
1b1) another: i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class,
kind, different


summed up is word #G346 - anakephalaioó
Strong's Concordance
anakephalaioó: to sum up, gather up
Original Word: ἀνακεφαλαιόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: anakephalaioó
Phonetic Spelling: (an-ak-ef-al-ah'-ee-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I sum up, summarize, recapitulate, gather up in one
Definition: I sum up, summarize, recapitulate, gather up in one

Heb 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed. "

John (Yahchanan) 15:4-6, "Abide in Me, and I in you. Just as the branch cannot produce fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."

I bring this to attention because Messiah says;

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful (intent) to do righteousness on the Sabbath."
 
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Galatians 5:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
 
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Nothing profits but faith working by love...and the law is not of faith.

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
 
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Friends, greetings in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, and may GOD the FATHER of Salvation, through LORD JESUS CHRIST who brought us Grace and Truth, bless you all with HIS kindness and peace, in accordance to them, that have been the 'finished product' written and established, through understanding of sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge that 'Heavenly came Spiritual manna' to HIS chosen disciples and Israel Jews first, in 'full revelation understanding from GOD' and as 'just' Apostles for their LORD who have conquered over all things, continued with HIS 'promised and imparted' guiding HOLY SPIRIT, and by HIS Help using gradually the 'tutored and mentored' Gospel foundation, with us today, 'the written HOLY BIBLE New Covenant at hand established foundation of CHRIST', brought in that day many 'converts' in accordance to all of them, as they 'preached the preaching words of John the Baptist' and 'His summoned by GOD introduction in revealing the person MESSIAH, as in their taught knowledge their long awaited final Redeemer and KING to come according to their Law and the Prophets and have come and is in their midst' and 'them upon revelation by GOD discovering HIM as HE is truly is', and also then the preaching words of their revealed MESSIAH, who chose them and also performed HIS healing actions', and 'teach the teachings of their MESSIAH' and 'baptized them in the name of the FATHER, SON and the HOLY SPIRIT', as all in accordance to all that we have also witnessed according to the four Gospels by also the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT.

Also in accordance to them how the Jews or Gentiles, men or women, slaves or free etc. came together in one meeting place, equally saved and accepted by GOD as sons and daughters, now under the rule of CHRIST. As how the 'majority' were from different walks of lives gathered together and in their 'thinking' and 'opinions' also different, and how the Apostle took charge to witness and labored to bring them all to one 'thinking' and 'opinion' minded faith and justified them in their 'epistles' to all churches and also to all after them, to be as the Kingdom of GOD and is for the 'church' order to 'stay rooted' as 'one' and in 'unity'.

Therefore understanding in accordance to Jeremiah 29;11, GOD's 'written and established New Covenant Spiritual sound doctrine knowledge structural and orderly' plan to prosper HIS church and not to harm them 'in wrath and judgement once again, as once before HE has dealt with using them in the past to punish the stubborn and heart harden to HIS every Word written in HIS Covenant and act in accordance to them and offer sacrifices in falling short of them and gradually learn to stop sinning, for their safety from HIS written righteous Law and Justice rule over all of them the same, for men or woman, slaves or free etc., whom all of them HE redeemed from slavery and sufferings and cries for help'.

First, please let me ask us this question, since we testify/word to others we belong to the 'Body of CHRIST and it's members', the church, can we keep on sinning?

Did JESUS say it is okay to keep on sinning and remain in of your carnal/flesh due to imperfection and the HOLY SPIRIT will complete the perfection in us, as to say Grace shall abound in that person even better?
 
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Friends, greetings in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, and may GOD the FATHER of Salvation, through LORD JESUS CHRIST who brought us Grace and Truth, bless you all with HIS kindness and peace, in accordance to them, that have been the 'finished product' written and established, through understanding of sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge that 'Heavenly came Spiritual manna' to HIS chosen disciples and Israel Jews first, in 'full revelation understanding from GOD' and as 'just' Apostles for their LORD who have conquered over all things, continued with HIS 'promised and imparted' guiding HOLY SPIRIT, and by HIS Help using gradually the 'tutored and mentored' Gospel foundation, with us today, 'the written HOLY BIBLE New Covenant at hand established foundation of CHRIST', brought in that day many 'converts' in accordance to all of them, as they 'preached the preaching words of John the Baptist' and 'His summoned by GOD introduction in revealing the person MESSIAH, as in their taught knowledge their long awaited final Redeemer and KING to come according to their Law and the Prophets and have come and is in their midst' and 'them upon revelation by GOD discovering HIM as HE is truly is', and also then the preaching words of their revealed MESSIAH, who chose them and also performed HIS healing actions', and 'teach the teachings of their MESSIAH' and 'baptized them in the name of the FATHER, SON and the HOLY SPIRIT', as all in accordance to all that we have also witnessed according to the four Gospels by also the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT.

Also in accordance to them how the Jews or Gentiles, men or women, slaves or free etc. came together in one meeting place, equally saved and accepted by GOD as sons and daughters, now under the rule of CHRIST. As how the 'majority' were from different walks of lives gathered together and in their 'thinking' and 'opinions' also different, and how the Apostle took charge to witness and labored to bring them all to one 'thinking' and 'opinion' minded faith and justified them in their 'epistles' to all churches and also to all after them, to be as the Kingdom of GOD and is for the 'church' order to 'stay rooted' as 'one' and in 'unity'.

Therefore understanding in accordance to Jeremiah 29;11, GOD's 'written and established New Covenant Spiritual sound doctrine knowledge structural and orderly' plan to prosper HIS church and not to harm them 'in wrath and judgement once again, as once before HE has dealt with using them in the past to punish the stubborn and heart harden to HIS every Word written in HIS Covenant and act in accordance to them and offer sacrifices in falling short of them and gradually learn to stop sinning, for their safety from HIS written righteous Law and Justice rule over all of them the same, for men or woman, slaves or free etc., whom all of them HE redeemed from slavery and sufferings and cries for help'.

First, please let me ask us this question, since we testify/word to others we belong to the 'Body of CHRIST and it's members', the church, can we keep on sinning?

Did JESUS say it is okay to keep on sinning and remain in of your carnal/flesh due to imperfection and the HOLY SPIRIT will complete the perfection in us, as to say Grace shall abound in that person even better?
Is there no 'workout your own salvation in fear and trembling' at all given?

Are we not part of HIS Body?

Do we think and make it seem okay to sin in carnal/flesh and still remain in HIS Body SPIRIT/spirit, as to say that it is okay, for JESUS don't mind to sleep and continue with 'prostitutes'?

Do not be angered nor be hard on others, for i am also referring to my 'self' as well.

What a false Gospel to even talk about it. We have been washed cleaned in the beginning by the LORD, but according to Romans chapter 8, to whom we have become subjected and obedience to hence forth , the flesh or SPIRIT?

Today this Scripture once again refers to who, that, 'dogs go back to lick it's vomit'?

The unbelieving Jews did and do them even today in ignorance for it is GOD's will from the beginning of the Gospel, but are the Christians blind and ignorant and be enslaved once again or they should have known better and not turn back to sin but 'practice' CHRIST of the given New Covenant even better and become conquers of sin and death?

Looks like sin and death is working once again in the lives, on those who keep on sinning, without the 'practice' of CHRIST's teaching, written in the New Covenant. This also as according to Galatians chapter 5, where the flesh and the SPIRIT are warring with each other and stop a person from doing what they want to do.

And so in my confusion to the Truth and sound doctrine knowledge of the HOLY BIBLE, i quote Scriptures in preference to make an excuse to my sins, due to my imperfection and keep ignoring the others.
 
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Is there no 'workout your own salvation in fear and trembling' at all given?

Are we not part of HIS Body?

Do we think and make it seem okay to sin in carnal/flesh and still remain in HIS Body SPIRIT/spirit, as to say that it is okay, for JESUS don't mind to sleep and continue with 'prostitutes'?

Do not be angered nor be hard on others, for i am also referring to my 'self' as well.

What a false Gospel to even talk about it. We have been washed cleaned in the beginning by the LORD, but according to Romans chapter 8, to whom we have become subjected and obedience to hence forth , the flesh or SPIRIT?

Today this Scripture once again refers to who, that, 'dogs go back to lick it's vomit'?

The unbelieving Jews did and do them even today in ignorance for it is GOD's will from the beginning of the Gospel, but are the Christians blind and ignorant and be enslaved once again or they should have known better and not turn back to sin but 'practice' CHRIST of the given New Covenant even better and become conquers of sin and death?

Looks like sin and death is working once again in the lives, on those who keep on sinning, without the 'practice' of CHRIST's teaching, written in the New Covenant. This also as according to Galatians chapter 5, where the flesh and the SPIRIT are warring with each other and stop a person from doing what they want to do.

And so in my confusion to the Truth and sound doctrine knowledge of the HOLY BIBLE, i quote Scriptures in preference to make an excuse to my sins, due to my imperfection and keep ignoring the others.
For it is God at work in you....The Spirit of God!

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


Love not legalism is obedience.
 
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This is supposed to be a joke, right?
Are you to be considered as 'an outsider' of the written HOLY BIBLE, inspired and taught by the HOLY SPIRIT?

Who have you been in worship and fellowship with, men or the HOLY BIBLE, to even call these testimony/word in accordance to the New Testament a 'joke'?

Please why do we continue to remain 'shortsighted'?
 
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Are you to be considered as 'an outsider' of the written HOLY BIBLE, inspired and taught by the HOLY SPIRIT?

Who have you been in worship and fellowship with, men or the HOLY BIBLE, to even call these testimony/word in accordance to the New Testament a 'joke'?

Please why do we continue to remain 'shortsighted'?
No he is an insider .... In Christ :)...not in self righteousness by the law.


Php 3:9 ¶ And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
 
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Is there no 'workout your own salvation in fear and trembling' at all given?

Are we not part of HIS Body?

Do we think and make it seem okay to sin in carnal/flesh and still remain in HIS Body SPIRIT/spirit, as to say that it is okay, for JESUS don't mind to sleep and continue with 'prostitutes'?

Do not be angered nor be hard on others, for i am also referring to my 'self' as well.

What a false Gospel to even talk about it. We have been washed cleaned in the beginning by the LORD, but according to Romans chapter 8, to whom we have become subjected and obedience to hence forth , the flesh or SPIRIT?

Today this Scripture once again refers to who, that, 'dogs go back to lick it's vomit'?

The unbelieving Jews did and do them even today in ignorance for it is GOD's will from the beginning of the Gospel, but are the Christians blind and ignorant and be enslaved once again or they should have known better and not turn back to sin but 'practice' CHRIST of the given New Covenant even better and become conquers of sin and death?

Looks like sin and death is working once again in the lives, on those who keep on sinning, without the 'practice' of CHRIST's teaching, written in the New Covenant. This also as according to Galatians chapter 5, where the flesh and the SPIRIT are warring with each other and stop a person from doing what they want to do.

And so in my confusion to the Truth and sound doctrine knowledge of the HOLY BIBLE, i quote Scriptures in preference to make an excuse to my sins, due to my imperfection and keep ignoring the others.
The best Scripture even in context and my favorite one was Romans chapter 7, that i even shared with a Catholic friend when he was struggling like i was with sin. But i was no quench with that but a guilt of thirst remain in me and in my private moment, i continued reading chapter 8 to support my excuses to sin and be excuses for others as well as i share again. But i was never getting answer but conviction and i left them aside until further revelation from the HOLY SPIRIT.

Then the revelation came, i have been 'beguile' by my carnal/flesh reasoning of 'self', therefore making excuse abut it's imperfection and bound to sin. Why is that?

Since i became born again and i was washed 'clean' on the inside, i once again continued also in the 'thinking' and the 'works' according to the flesh and also in the 'thinking' and 'works' according to the SPIRIT of the HOLY BIBLE. That is when as it is written, 'i was that washed clean 'pig', who once again went and trampled my 'self' on the 'mud', for i also love the mud once i was enslaved to for also seeking peace with them once again. And so without knowing it i was a 'lukewarm' christian after knowing through the Scripture later, that 'one part of this body, since being in this world and still carnal/flesh, allowed rather than 'forsake' it's lusts, the flesh's 'passions' and 'desires', it's fruits and work according to them to also manifest and another part being in the Kingdom of GOD and it's desires of the New Covenant.

These same very thing is being 'practiced' by most of the churches and believer's lives today and we are all one big happy family, even though we are divided in 'thinking' and 'opinion'. We do not really love each other but just putting up with one another in 'hypocrisy'. And GOD HIMSELF is one of the witness to all of this, in accordance to HIS made and given New Covenant judgement reminder.

GOD will forgive us if we confess our sins, according to the epistle of 1 John. But is this given so that someone may keep on sinning and make excuse due to imperfection?

This is given by GOD for HIS children to 'stop sinning' because meantime when they 'hearken' to 'MY voice' from the written New Covenant and in reference also to the Old and who practice/does them, they are bound to make mistakes. And they can confess them and try once again in the same practices, in order to fulfill them in their lives sooner or alter, before it's too late.
 

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Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet. 13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful."

Psalm 19:12, "But who can discern their own errors? Forgive my hidden faults."

Psalm 119:125, "I am your servant; give me discernment that I may understand your statutes."

James 1:22-25, " But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does."
 
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For it is God at work in you....The Spirit of God!

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

It is GOD's word/teaching of 'spirit' and 'life' imparted in us by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT in 'full context/sound doctrine understanding' of the New Covenant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST given to us, and as we 'if' 'abide/keep/continue/comply with/conform to/adhere to/etc.', which does the work in us and we will know the truth and the truth shall set us free, in order to do all kind of Good works onto others for GOD and by GOD as their Ruler and Judge.

Love not legalism is obedience.
Love of GOD who art in HIS Kingdom, which through CHRIST 'manifested' to 'impart' HIS written 'today' as the New Covenant is 'legalism', so that also HIS redeemed people as it's citizens as foreigners here in submission and obedience 'abide' in them and witness the same inside and out, when once they were dead, made found by Grace and Truth with GOD in CHRIST and that same Grace and Truth they 'practice', gracefully impart to the other 'lost and dead'. The New Covenant in 'full context' is the Spiritual sound doctrine knowledge of 'AGAPE', the 'spiritual manna' that came from Heaven.
 
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No he is an insider .... In Christ :)...not in self righteousness by the law.


Php 3:9 ¶ And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Was that question for you? Is that manner of yours coming from the fruits of the HOLY SPIRIT of love that you boldly boast about or one of the fruit of the 'flesh' that is 'spiteful'. Be careful to be in humble and humility of Grace and Truth, rather than going on ahead and soaring high like an eagle, in ignorance and arrogance, poor to HIS word of the New Covenant, because as the saying of Christians goes like this to those who are proud that, 'Do not get your wings 'clipped' by GOD'.

As it is written and spoken by Apostle Peter in his epistle to the church towards some believer's disorderliness, of even being proud that;

"You deserve to suffer, if you are a murderer, 'a busybody' and an adulterer."

 
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Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet. 13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful."

Psalm 19:12, "But who can discern their own errors? Forgive my hidden faults."

Psalm 119:125, "I am your servant; give me discernment that I may understand your statutes."

James 1:22-25, " But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does."
In Romans chapter 7, Apostle Paul was explaining to the redeemed Roman church about the Law that he was bound to, previously as a Pharisees and how he battle with sin in the 'flesh' as a slave to sin. This is so that they will not be influenced by that same very Law once again that was given to the Jews by Moses.

Apostle Paul was ahead of these who still bound in the 'flesh/carnal' and have gone ahead of CHRIST chosen Apostles, as still 'slaves' and witnessing 'counterfeits' and 'imposters', as they also manage during his absence, 'bewitched' the Galatian church as well.

Thank you and peace be with you in the name of MESSIAC ADONAI YESHUA.
 
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Did JESUS say it is okay to keep on sinning and remain in of your carnal/flesh due to imperfection and the HOLY SPIRIT will complete the perfection in us, as to say Grace shall abound in that person even better?
Can I ask, do you believe the moment a person accepts Christ as their saviour they are in a position to cease all sin? r do you believe sin a person is enslaved by takes time to be delivered from by them standing on faith in Christ? If the latter, would you differentiate between sin committed that a person is seeking to be set from by faith in Christ? and wilfull sin committed once a person has been set free of any particular sin?
Would you also believe none are perfect in the flesh, but the more we follow the truth of the Gospel message the more Holy lives we live?
“We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles [SUP]16 [/SUP]know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[SUP][d][/SUP] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.[SUP]17 [/SUP]“But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! [SUP]18 [/SUP]If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker. Gal2:15-18