Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?

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That would be completely true if and only if we were so totally yielded to the Holy Spirit that we never strayed off in our own directions. The fact remains that we all sometimes do stray off in our own directions. When this happens we have sin to confess and repent of.

Yes that is true, however what I do not agree with is this has to remain the way. Do we not grow to keep our focus on Jesus?

 

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The law makes us conscious of our sin (Rom 3:20)

The law God requires a person to keep is written on their mind and placed on their heart at the point of conversion.(as Doug Bachelor agrees)

What must be the result? It ain't hard to work out!

Sorry I am not getting your point?

But do you understand what I said about the Sabbath?

I believe there are people who do not keep the Sabbath who are truly Christian. See because they are not convicted that the Sabbath is still to be obeyed they are not committing deliberate sin.

It is not for me to judge but I see you as one of those who seems at least to me to be a genuine Christian who follows as best you know how.

The only reason I bring the Sabbath up is cause I know you are missing a massive blessing. In fact I personally believe that if you were to keep it as it is meant to be kept you would find more victory than you do now.

I know you wont agree with that but that is my experience. there is a special blessing God gives on the Sabbath that I don't believe he gives any other day. I first leaned of it when I studied the table of shewbread and realized it was to be consumed on the 7th day Sabbath. sometimes known as the bread of the presence. Connect it with Jesus being the bread from heaven. We get it every day but something special happens on the 7th day. Often my greatest scriptural discoveries have been on the Sabbath and I always feel stronger for the week to come after the Sabbath.

 

[michael56]

But do you understand what I said about the Sabbath?

I believe there are people who do not keep the Sabbath who are truly Christian. See because they are not convicted that the Sabbath is still to be obeyed they are not committing deliberate sin.

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I rest my case

 

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I rest my case

Yes I get that but that is based on your view that the law is written on your heart so you simply know already. I do not agree with that at all.

While there is much conviction in that way I am convicted by Gods word when I read it and see things in it I was not aware of. now how can that be if the Spirit has written it all in? how can there be anything to learn from the bible if it is all written in us?

 

[michael56]

Its a good job Christians immediately get convicted they should not murder, steal, commit adultery, not bear false witness, love God, not take the Lords name in vain etc. Otherwise they get a licence to sin.

 

[michael56]

Yes I get that but that is based on your view that the law is written on your heart so you simply know already. I do not agree with that at all.

While there is much conviction in that way I am convicted by Gods word when I read it and see things in it I was not aware of. now how can that be if the Spirit has written it all in? how can there be anything to learn from the bible if it is all written in us?

Oh Gotime, I knew you would have to come up with something, your denominational beliefs hinge on it

 

[michael56]

For the record, I believe if someone wants to go to church on a Saturday to honour the Lord, great if that is the way they see it. #
Where they err is insisting everyone else must also do it

 

[michael56]

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters Rom 14:1

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord verses 5&6

am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean verse 14

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. [SUP]verse 20

[/SUP]So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. verse22

 

[gotime]

Oh Gotime, I knew you would have to come up with something, your denominational beliefs hinge on it

no actually my bible belief hinge on it. conviction comes by the Spirit through the word. Is not the word how we measure truth ad test error?

You have said that if I am right then anyone who does not keep the Sabbath is not Christian. however that is based on your view.

But your view suggests that anyone who does not see sin the way you do is not right and not born again.

I suggest that the word of God is a sure measure of what constitutes sin and what does not.

 

[michael56]

no actually my bible belief hinge on it. conviction comes by the Spirit through the word. Is not the word how we measure truth ad test error?

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Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters Rom 14:1

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord verses 5&6

am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean verse 14

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. [SUP]verse 20

[/SUP]So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. verse22

 

[gotime]

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters Rom 14:1

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord verses 5&6

am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean verse 14

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. [SUP]verse 20

[/SUP]So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. verse22

Is remember the Sabbath day disputable matter in the scripture? nope God said it straight. you do know there were other days involved in the Jewish sacrificial system right?

Please don't be foolish enough to think these verses prove your point. Paul never spoke against the 10 commandments not once.

 

[gotime]

There is nothing disputable about the Sabbath according to scripture.

 

[michael56]

Is remember the Sabbath day disputable matter in the scripture? nope God said it straight. you do know there were other days involved in the Jewish sacrificial system right?

Please don't be foolish enough to think these verses prove your point. Paul never spoke against the 10 commandments not once.

Oh they do prove the point. Concerning ''unclean foods'' it could not be clearer. Yet at Baptism an sda member is required not to eat ''unclean food''

 

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tell me why would Jesus do away with the Sabbath?

 

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Oh they do prove the point. Concerning ''unclean foods'' it could not be clearer. Yet at Baptism an sda member is required not to eat ''unclean food''

that same Paul agreed with:

Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

 

[michael56]

tell me why would Jesus do away with the Sabbath?

Firstly, you have been hoisted with your own petard. You say we learn truth by the spirit through the word, then when I give you the plain word you will not accept it!!!

If you understood what it means to be truly born again you would not need to ask such a question. You do not need to be told to set aside one specific day a week for God, you want Him to have every day alike, in my view. I only answered that as you asked the question. As Paul says these are disputable matters that should be kept to yourself, I will accept we see truth from the spirit through scripture

 

[michael56]

that same Paul agreed with:

Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Three of which it is widely believed were to appease Jewish legalists who had become Christians. ! Why were the Ten commandments not mentioned incidentally?

 

[gotime]

Do you know why we abstain from those foods?

1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

3Jn 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Because we want to live healthy lifestyles to bring glory to God and honour His temple and to be the best sacrifice we can be to our God.

meats are unhealthy.

 

[michael56]

Do you know why we abstain from those foods?

1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

3Jn 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Because we want to live healthy lifestyles to bring glory to God and honour His temple and to be the best sacrifice we can be to our God.

meats are unhealthy.

That doesn't address the point, however, as we have discussed this at great length previously let us put it aside here, it would seem best

 

[gotime]

Three of which it is widely believed were to appease Jewish legalists! Why were the Ten commandments not mentioned incidentally?

No Paul fought against appeasing Jewish legalists. Plus the whole point is to talk about the issues the Jews are making and what they thought was biblical or not. and the question after is a bit silly don't you think?

Why is don't have other Gods before me there. why is believe not there? They were not listing every thing that needs to be followed. they were addressing specific things that the Jewish converts were trying to force on Gentile believers.