DiscipleDave said :
i studies
Hebrew and Greek a great deal. All is moot. It is the Holy Spirit of God that teaches Truths to a person studying the Word of God,
Hebrew and Greek are for the
Hebrews and the
Greeks. KJV is for the English speaking people in the world. Those who look to the
Hebrew and Greek to reveal to them Truths, miss the mark, even as i did as well. seek the Truth in prayer, and in the Holy Ghost. DO NOT seek the Truth from the
Hebrew and Greek.
I see where you are coming from on this, as people can get lost in over education.
I do believe people should study the original Greek and Hebrew but need to be careful when doing so, and need to let the Holy Spirit be the main guiding tool behind one's search for truth. Do not put much stock in other material written by men unless they completely line up with the bible.
You say that people SHOULD study the original Greek and Hebrew, Tell me what can be learned in the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts that the HOLY SPIRIT of God can't reveal to a person? i mean if there was information in the Hebrew and Greek that the Holy Spirit of God does not reveal, then i would also say People SHOULD study the original Greek and Hebrew. But if EVERYTHING can be learned from the Holy Spirit of Truth, whey would i need to go to the Hebrew and Greek to learn Truths that the Holy Ghost can teach me?
You say
and need to let the Holy Spirit be the main guiding tool behind one's search for truth.
If the Holy Spirit is the main guiding tool, why would you need the tool called Hebrew and Greek? The Hebrew and Greek is a tool, but is not a Main Tool. If i can use the Main Tool, why would i go and use a lesser tool? Going to the Hebrew and Greek as a tool to glean Truth and lets say you learn something, at BEST, because it came from your own learning and understanding, it MIGHT be True, MAY be a Truth. Something that comes from the Spirit, you KNOW is Truth.
For example, those who are Spiritually led, KNOW that Jesus is the Son of God, NOT because the Bible says so, NOT because Hebrew and Greek says so, NOT because preachers teach it, They just KNOW it is TRUE, That Truth comes from the Spirit and not from any earthly documents (ie. Hebrew/Greek/KJV/Bibles/Books/Preachers/Humans) You KNOW He is the Son of God, because the Spirit has revealed it to you, not because Other things has revealed it to you. Other things only present the Truth to you, it is the Spirit that allows you to believe it with all your HEART.
The Spirit of Truth can reveal Truths to you, a person need not go to Hebrew or Greek, they merely need to turn to God, in prayer, and in study of the Bible, One does not NEED to, or even SHOULD study the Hebrew and Greek. You your own self, gave a warning in going to the Hebrew and Greek.
I do believe people should study the original Greek and Hebrew but need to be careful when doing so
Why? Why should they be careful, what could go wrong in studying the original languages? It is that very reason that people should not study it, it will only add to the Confusion that is prevalent today. But i am curious as to why you say people should be careful, i know why they should be careful, and know what type of people belong to the Last Days generation, and what this type of people would do if they did study the Hebrew and Greek, we witness them even now, but WHY be careful? i would like to hear WHY you say that why should they be careful?
The original Greek and Hebrew words do have multiple meanings as you mentioned, and I even on multiple times have posted the Greek words pisteuo and echo and gave their full meaning and showed how they are applied in the bible.
And you did this for what reason? Is it not so they would believe as you do, and you use the Hebrew and Greek as a means to imply that you are right, because you have taken that word, or verse the Hebrew and Greek?
Because I have seen a few of our brothers and sisters in Christ only using partial definitions from these words to fit and suit their understanding, which makes it contradict other scriptures in the bible on the same subject.
understand, i really do. And i use to do "If you take that word to the Hebrew/Greek " thing as well. Now i don't mention that at all. i have found that 99% of the time i can recall Scriptures that contradict what they are saying, without ever mentioning Hebrew or Greek. Another Truth that i have learned is this. If a person does not believe what the Scriptures plainly teach, they will in no way whatsoever then believe it when i bring up Hebrew and Greek. If a person does not believe Scriptures, they will not believe Hebrew and Greek either. i will tell you another Truth, and this is from me, not the Lord, from my own personal experience. Many who study Hebrew and Greek, only causes more damage to the Truth, then it does helping reveal the Truth. Again, that is my opinion, and not from the Lord, and since it is my opinion, i could be dead wrong in that assumption, i am only basing that opinion on what i have experienced personally from those who know Hebrew and Greek.
I still don't side with you on the whole planet thing as there is no biblical evidence for such,
There is no Biblical evidence that pizza exists either. Does not change the fact that it does exist. And you say side with me, maybe i did not make it clear, it is not from me, but from Him who told me that thing. If you do not agree, that is your choice, but don't say you don't side with me, when the Truth is you are not siding with Him who told me that thing. Now i do believe it is True, because i know to whom told me that thing, but you can not know who told me, and therefore do not believe, this i understand, and do not fault you for it. But answer me this, when in the last days God spirit will pour out upon the sons and daughter and they shall prophesy, what do you think they will prophesy about? Things that are already in the Word of God, and people have been prophesying those things for over 2000 years now. Why would God pour out His spirit so that those sons and daughters can prophesy things that are already in the Bible? Nay, you do not understand, They will prophesy NEW things, things that God will reveal to them, Things that were secret, sealed up, hidden. All for one reason, a last attempt to warn and to get the children of the last days generation to believe the Truth. and change their current sinful path, to a path that will be pleasing to the Son of God, Jesus Christ.
and the first time I even heard such talk was from the Mormons who have plenty of issues with their faith.
i know not what they believe. or what they talk about.
The other thing is that there is no biblical backing on what you stated that an Apostle can only be one who has seen Jesus.
You are correct, Can you can give Biblical backing that one can become an Apostle NOT ever seeing Jesus? Scriptures please. Far as i know, all those who were called Apostles, have seen Jesus Christ. One of the requirements to replace Judas, to be one of the 12 Apostles, was that they had to have seen Jesus coming and going with them. i could be wrong about what an Apostle is, but it seems to me (my opinion) that to be an Apostle you should have seen Jesus Christ. Are there any Apostles mentioned in the Scriptures that were Apostles that never did see Jesus Christ? i don't know of any, again could be wrong. And there are mentions of Apostles like Barnabas, but we don't know if he has seen Jesus Christ or not, it does not say he never did. It is things like this, that i wish i still communicated with God, i would put this in a list that i would ask Him about this matter and He would tell me.
Other Apostles were appointed by Peter and Paul on down the line, and no mention was made if they saw Christ or not, and they were made to be apostles after the crucifixion and resurrection.
Yes i understand, Are the reasons they were made Apostles pointed out? Why did Peter and Paul appoint them as Apostles, and not Disciples, or Teachers, or Elects, why Apostles? And you say there was no mention made if they saw Christ or NOT. exactly, are you saying they DID NOT ever see Him, how do you know they NEVER seen Him, that also is not in Scriptures. So i have no Biblical backing that they did see Jesus, but likewise you have no Biblical backing that says they didn't, is that correct? As i said i could be wrong on what an Apostle is, if He ever starts talking to me again, Lord willing, i will ask Him about that.
The one thing I also have pointed out to those who put to much stock on human study tools, and even college professors teachings is that to look at the History and Discovery channels programs when they do shows about the bible. They use biblical scholars that went to college to study the bible, and they I would say are wrong or miss the mark 95% of the time.
And these Biblical Scholars, did they study Hebrew and Greek? yet you say that these who have studied Hebrew and Greek miss the mark 95% of the time. Tell me do you know any Biblical Scholars that have not studied Hebrew and Greek, i wander if they miss the mark 95% of the time as well. i wouldn't think they would, The problem is, what learned Biblical Scholar does not study Hebrew and Greek?
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