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Are you saying the Holy Spirit is not able to guide a person into truth unless they read the bible in the original languages?
He never said that. Stop being childish and let us try to learn from each other.
 

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Abraham was the great grandfather of Judah and the great great grandfather of Judah's first descendants; therefore he strictly speaking was not a Jew.
 
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Now why did Abraham keep the law? Maybe the law was already written in his hart by ABBA Father but Israel was so corrupted by Egypt that God had to give it to Moses in writing for them to acknowledge it. Israel believed when they saw something, and it took them 40 years to break the bondage of sin and religion they were part of in Egypt.




The law was written in man's hart before ABBA Father gave it to Moses. The 10 commandments God gave Moses was a confirmation of what Israel already knew. They were so corrupted by Egypt that they believed a golden calf could represent God and that they will be able to satisfy God with this moulded image. Imagine the corruption of God's word if He never gave Israel the ten commandments... They were being corrupted by Egypt just like we are corrupted by Egypt (our sinful life) until we turn to God, and yes then His commandments are written in our harts.

The commandments are the character of God and He teaches us how to build our relationship with Him.
First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, [SUP]13 [/SUP]and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][b][/SUP]

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more
Heb10:8-16

The above directly relates to Jesus death as sacrifice for sins

The days are coming(not there yet),” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[SUP][d][/SUP] them,[SUP][e][/SUP]”
declares the Lord.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

Jeremiah 31:31-34
 
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I assume your reading of the original translations of the bible has given you the answer
again you show you don't know even the simplest things yahweh says.

try really really really hard to remember who it was who did read and teach and memorize torah,

yet they did not know the answer ......

if you don't know the answer to the question about "holy", there's nothing past that that you can know yet....

(and that's no surprise; you can't get past kindergarten if you don't know....)
 
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He never said that. Stop being childish and let us try to learn from each other.
I apologise, I didn't know you wished us to learn from each other, from your tone and words, I thought you wanted to do the teaching.
He did insinuate that, possible your view is slightly slanted
 
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again you show you don't know even the simplest things yahweh says.

try really really really hard to remember who it was who did read and teach and memorize torah,

yet they did not know the answer ......

if you don't know the answer to the question about "holy", there's nothing past that that you can know yet....

(and that's no surprise; you can't get past kindergarten if you don't know....)
Possibly, you have the views you do, as you seem reluctant to answer any questions relating to the core of Paul's Gospel of grace.
 
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He never said that. Stop being childish and let us try to learn from each other.
correct. but he keeps tying his childish fishing net in more and more knots that don't make sense -- it's not likely

anyone will get anywhere with him tonight or this week perhaps - yahweh knows...

the strange fire, the other gospel, has a very large population and the school is hard to break away from -

impossible in fact except for grace and mercy in christ jesus, and then only for the ones who are willing.
 
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correct. but he keeps tying his childish fishing net in more and more knots that don't make sense -- it's not likely

anyone will get anywhere with him tonight or this week perhaps - yahweh knows...

the strange fire, the other gospel, has a very large population and the school is hard to break away from -

impossible in fact except for grace and mercy in christ jesus, and then only for the ones who are willing.
Do you agree the following is the core of the new covenant. A simple yes or no will suffice:


This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][b][/SUP][SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more Heb10:16&17
 
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since you plainly contradict yahweh, yahshua, torah, scripture, truth, paul, and kindergarten hebrew lessons,

you're not ready for babies milk even.....


Possibly, you have the views you do, as you seem reluctant to answer any questions relating to the core of Paul's Gospel of grace.
 
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since you plainly contradict yahweh, yahshua, torah, scripture, truth, paul, and kindergarten hebrew lessons,

you're not ready for babies milk even.....

You believe the law of God should be obeyed, is that correct?

What are the most important two laws according to Christ you believe must be obeyed?
 
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First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, [SUP]13 [/SUP]and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][b][/SUP]

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more
Heb10:8-16

The above directly relates to Jesus death as sacrifice for sins

The days are coming(not there yet),” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[SUP][d][/SUP] them,[SUP][e][/SUP]”
declares the Lord.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

Jeremiah 31:31-34
Well you didn't answer my questions but thank you for the Bible verses regarding Israel... and unless you understand why we are Israel no use in continuing this conversation.
 
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I apologise, I didn't know you wished us to learn from each other, from your tone and words, I thought you wanted to do the teaching.
He did insinuate that, possible your view is slightly slanted
We all tend to have "un-teachable spirits" at some stage
 
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Originally Posted by GandalfTheWhite

The law was written in man's hart before ABBA Father gave it to Moses



First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, [SUP]13 [/SUP]and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][b][/SUP]

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more
Heb10:8-16

The above directly relates to Jesus death as sacrifice for sins

The days are coming(not there yet),” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[SUP][d][/SUP] them,[SUP][e][/SUP]”
declares the Lord.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

Jeremiah 31:31-34
 
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since your previous posts disagree with yahweh's word you quote here,
why do you ask if i agree or not ?

also, you added in your question what is not there(not in the verses quoted) - making a conundrum(an unanswerable question-the way you worded it, Jesus couldn't answer it, and neither can you!)... ...



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Do you agree the following is the core of the new covenant. A simple yes or no will suffice:
This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][b][/SUP][SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more Heb10:16&17
 
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it's a little (maybe a lot) like playing with a toddler trying to teach a simple lesson --- repeat over and over again until they learn , if they are able to learn they learn.... if not, they don't....

from his so-called questions (they're not really his, but from someone else) it looks like a wof school or church or something like it has trained him and he trusted them .... as long as that continues, he won't be able to break free
very easily at all.....

Well you didn't answer my questions but thank you for the Bible verses regarding Israel... and unless you understand why we are Israel no use in continuing this conversation.
 
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since your previous posts disagree with yahweh's word you quote here,
why do you ask if i agree or not ?

also, you added in your question what is not there(not in the verses quoted) - making a conundrum(an unanswerable question-the way you worded it, Jesus couldn't answer it, and neither can you!)... ...



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Bye Jeff....
 
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Israel was in Egypt for 400 years and when the moved away from there they couldn't break free from the bondage. It took them 40 years to trust God and follow only Him, without the doctrines of man. The church today have over 40,000 denominations and we (just like Israel) are in the same sad state of affairs because of religion and traditions. The biggest problem I can identify is that people don't keep in mind that God never changed and that He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

The other problem is that certain denominations only tend to focus on the Old Testament while others wants to create a new salvation plan from the New Testament. We should realise that the Bible is without any error and contradictions and that God's plan was the same from the first second He created planet earth.
 

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I pray people are reading this. Yahweh hold you close now and forever, amen.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GandalfTheWhite again.



Israel was in Egypt for 400 years and when the moved away from there they couldn't break free from the bondage. It took them 40 years to trust God and follow only Him, without the doctrines of man. The church today have over 40,000 denominations and we (just like Israel) are in the same sad state of affairs because of religion and traditions. The biggest problem I can identify is that people don't keep in mind that God never changed and that He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

The other problem is that certain denominations only tend to focus on the Old Testament while others wants to create a new salvation plan from the New Testament. We should realise that the Bible is without any error and contradictions and that God's plan was the same from the first second He created planet earth.
 
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perhaps others can help identify the other gospels that teach as if only 2 commandments are required and the ten commandments that hang on those 2 are someone null and void --- those

catch phrases --->>> in grace , "2 commandments" , "fulfilled the law"(as if did away with it),

"we don't have to do anything", "anything we do is works", "if anyone does anything they aren't saved"(because anything they do is "WORKS!" ) , "we can't even do the works that JESUS DOES"(JESUS HAS TO DO THEM)(somehow without us doing them; otherwise its "WORKS!" and undoes our salvation!!)....

and various tricks of the enemy like that..... admittedly , if they (anyone) was willing, Jesus would set them free also,

but as long as they(anyone) trusts in any of those "other gospels" , they remain cursed by yahweh instead of blessed,

and have only a terrible judgment awaiting.... with the words from Jesus no one can bear to hear "be gone".....

unless somehow yahweh shows them mercy and recovers/purchases their souls by the blood of the lamb....

(((note that those bought by the blood of the lamb, yahweh's own possession, are so thankful, greatful, ecstatic, abiding in his presence now and for eternity,
that they willingly and whole heartedly completely love and desire and with no fear nor doubt DO what HE SAYS.

that is what a good relationship is. father and sons.... no longer slaves but sons! !!!! !! !! what great love yahweh has
bestowed upon us that we should be called sons of yahweh !!! and so we are, if we be found in him.... (yes, "if")

"if" we be found walking in the light. (HOW, just how do 'they'(the other gospel) turn that into disobeying ??)

what is the strength of the false gospel that holds them so strongly in its grasp ??!!

what is the difference in those who are immersed in yahshua for forgiveness of their sin and the one true gospel??

what lie is planted first in those brains that thereafter can never begin to obey yahweh !? (because of fear!?!?)

the very thing a father values most in his sons - seeing them doing as he has taught them ; right-ruling, no harm, generous eye (body full of light) ---

those valuable things according to yahweh's word --
- how does the false gospel turn them to "WORKS!?!?" that ('they' say)destroy the chance for eternal life if someone does them ?!?!)

notice that there might be some who realize that the works follow the faith, as a result of faith, and not instead of nor before the faith.

also notice that there are a lot of other 'little foxes' in the false gospel that fill up the peoples lives with many devious changes opposed to truth.... it may take days or years or decades to undo the damage in one person. Yahweh knows, and has provided everything that is needed in this life and in the life to come -- Yahweh was not caught by surprise nor unprepared.
 

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I am not advocating a sinless/perfect life, I am advocating SIN is a CHOICE and you can master and subdue it, just as God told Cain he could do in Genesis 4.6-7

I am advocating what James 1.13-16 & 1 John 2.14-17 tells me is SIN.

I am advocating that even James 4.17 also involves a choice....

Victory over Sin is not perfection it is partaking of the divine nature and subduing SIN in your life..

Jesus told the adulterous woman in John 8 to go and SIN no more....He was not talking about ALL her SIN, he was talking about the SIN that beset her, which was Adultery....Though the Bible does not record it, I bet that woman never comitted Adultery again, because when Jesus stopped down to doodle in the dirt, he met her at her level, and his grace did not condemn her. He simply said, I do not condemn you either, now go and SIN no more...Jesus was telling her she had power over her SIN......

You wont receive this, because you have failed to completely understand God's grace, if you cannot cannot grasp true grace, then you cannot accept faith-righteousness and if you cannot accept faith-righteousness you will never attain to be a partaker of the divine nature...

I am one of the strongest ADVOCATES that SALVATION IS ONLY BY GRACE ALONE. What you seem to misunderstand, is that SALVATION and Sanctification are two different things. I was NOT talking about Salvation, but rather our Sactification of the body and our CHRISTIAN WALK.