No Longer to Obey Commandments

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VioletReigns

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Well, I certainly can't speak for anyone else. And it's true that I don't speak as eloquently or as "learned" as some of you here. And I'm not anyone of high ranking in the church, nor do I hold any type of degree in theology. But I can tell you one thing...

Once I had a stronghold of depression... once a spirit of terror gripped me... once I was an alcoholic... once it was impossible for me to forgive... once a lack of self-esteem held me in bondage... once I was a legalistic, self-righteous, works-oriented, religious church-goer... once I was always focused on myself... but now I see Jesus.

Jesus is my rest, my peace, my dwelling place, my everything. Jesus leads me every day. I hear His Voice in my spirit, I see His face, He is always with me. Jesus has made me more aware of Him than anything else in this life. It is now impossible for me to get away from Him or forget His teachings. He has captured me and consumed every part of my being. It's no effort to obey Him because He is doing it through me.
 

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Well, I certainly can't speak for anyone else. And it's true that I don't speak as eloquently or as "learned" as some of you here. And I'm not anyone of high ranking in the church, nor do I hold any type of degree in theology. But I can tell you one thing...

Once I had a stronghold of depression... once a spirit of terror gripped me... once I was an alcoholic... once it was impossible for me to forgive... once a lack of self-esteem held me in bondage... once I was a legalistic, self-righteous, works-oriented, religious church-goer... once I was always focused on myself... but now I see Jesus.

Jesus is my rest, my peace, my dwelling place, my everything. Jesus leads me every day. I hear His Voice in my spirit, I see His face, He is always with me. Jesus has made me more aware of Him than anything else in this life. It is now impossible for me to get away from Him or forget His teachings. He has captured me and consumed every part of my being. It's no effort to obey Him because He is doing it through me.
Halleluyah, thine the glory!

I know, sister, why and what you mean by "everything."

He filled placed I didn't even know I had.
 
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keeth

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Well, I certainly can't speak for anyone else. And it's true that I don't speak as eloquently or as "learned" as some of you here. And I'm not anyone of high ranking in the church, nor do I hold any type of degree in theology. But I can tell you one thing...

Once I had a stronghold of depression... once a spirit of terror gripped me... once I was an alcoholic... once it was impossible for me to forgive... once a lack of self-esteem held me in bondage... once I was a legalistic, self-righteous, works-oriented, religious church-goer... once I was always focused on myself... but now I see Jesus.

Jesus is my rest, my peace, my dwelling place, my everything. Jesus leads me every day. I hear His Voice in my spirit, I see His face, He is always with me. Jesus has made me more aware of Him than anything else in this life. It is now impossible for me to get away from Him or forget His teachings. He has captured me and consumed every part of my being. It's no effort to obey Him because He is doing it through me.
Ahhh! Perfection. Glad to see you have finally arrived.
 
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keeth

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Kind of a strange statement. Not obeying the commandments, means breaking them. So if we are no longer to keep them, then I guess that means we should break them, correct? Can someone please show me the scriptures which admonish us to break the commandments? They must be somewhere, if we in fact are no longer to keep them.
 

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With all do respect brother Paul,
i have been more than fair and respectful in responding to your questions here and was not attempting to turn this thread into a discussion about the law of Moses. You were freely and respectfully given a response to your OP and the additional questions you posed to me after that even though you were offended that i attempted to give brother Marc Rep for a edifying response that he gave during this discussion that didn't meet your personal criteria with respect to your opening question.
In the future when you wish to discuss the scriptures please ask direct questions such as "do you believe physical works are necessary within our Christian faith according to the NT scriptures to achieve or maintain salvation?" or "do you believe the aid of men and physical works within the Christian faith are necessary according to the NT to achieve or maintain salvation?" instead of straw men set up to lead into those same discussions. i will respectfully withdraw from this discussion leaving you to dictate this thread according to your own criteria.
? I have not been offended by anything you posted...........have to believe me on that.......and explained that in an earlier comment............even offered to "rep" Bro. Marc for you........

All anyone has to do is read through the comments to see, that no matter the effort, there are still people who will turn this thread, or pretty much any other thread on the BDF into a Law vs. whatever argument.

It's no wonder the BDF is in the mess it is.............

The question I posed in the OP was quite specific, and on many occasions I have reemphasized the intent of this thread.......but, as always, some folks do not have the respect or common courtesy to stay on topic. Rather, they immediately hijack any thread they choose and turn it into their own incessant arguments.......
 

p_rehbein

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Goodness gracious............can't leave the Forums for even a minute.........


THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE LAW!

Discussions of the Law are off-topic

If you want to argue the Law, start your own thread(s)

Thanks...............
BUMP............not that it will do any good............but, it's worth a shot I suppose.
 
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Haven't read through the post, but perfection will only be achieved when we are with the Father. While we are in these flesh bodies we must rely on the work of the cross just as the OT saints had to rely on the sacrifice of a lamb.
 
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IF the two commandments fulfill all other commandments of Christ, do they also fulfill all the commandments of Paul, James and Peter?
Q: If the two commandments fulfill all other commandments of Christ, do they also fulfill all the commandments of Paul, James, and Peter?

A: Well, yes and no. It depends on how one defines the type of obedience to the two greatest commandments. If a person says they just meditate in a room somewhere to love God and they give their neighbors only flowers to love them for their whole life (While ignoring God's Word, and while ignoring God's moral laws), then... no. But if a person defines loving God and loving others as outlined in what it is written in the New Covenant, then... yes. For God's Word is the instruction manual on how to love Him and how to love others. For Jesus said, if ye love me, keep my commandments. His commandments are all the Commands written in the New Testament under the New Covenant (Which went officially into effect with His death).

The two greatest commandments are based on love. Love God and love your neighbor (Including your enemies). All of Christ's commands are based on loving God and or loving others. The same applies to the commands given by Paul, James, and Peter. For did not Paul tell us to love? (1 Corinthians 13:1). Did not James tell us to love? (James 2:8). Did not Peter tell us to love? (1 Peter 1:22) (1 Peter 2:17).

Also, Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:37 that what he had written was the Lord's Commandments. So it is logical to assume that if Paul who was merely a servant of Jesus Christ, and who considered his own writings as the Lord's Commandments, then we must also come to the conclusion that Peter and James (Who were also servants of Jesus Christ) were providing us with commands that were from the Lord, too. In fact, we know this because we know the Scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit (Who is God) (2 Peter 1:21) and we know that all Scripture is profitable for doctrine, reproof, instruction, and training in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). So it is safe to assume that righteousness involves some type of obedience to a standard of a code of ethics or commands. For the Old Testament essentially says in Deuteronomy 6:25 that righteousness is tied with observing God's Commandments; And the New Testament says, "Let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous" (1 John 3:7). In fact, in verse 10, we see not doing righteousness and not loving is tied to being: "Not of God." For it says, "In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:10).

Now, does our obedience to God's Commandments in the New Testament save us in and of themselves? Are we saved by keeping a standard of rules and regulations? Can we disobey God and still be saved?

Well, the answer to the first two questions would be a... "no." We are not saved by keeping a set of rules in and of themselves. We are not saved or justified by the Law or Works Salvationism. However, can we disobey God and still be saved? Again, the answer to this third question would also be a.... "no." Obedience is yielding to God's program of salvation. We are saved by confessing and repenting of our sins and in accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior (Believing He died for our sins, was buried, and was risen three days later to give us a new life in Him). Once a person does that, they are saved by God's grace (Apart from the deeds of the Law). They are justified by the blood of the Lamb. If a believer sins again, they must confess their sin and forsake it with the Lord's help so as to continue a right standing with Him (See 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:6-9; Jude 1:24). Holiness and fruitful works do not save in and of themselves, but they always do follow a true salvation, though. For it is God who ultimately does the good works within a believer. The believer merely yields to God in reading His Word and in seeking to love Him with all their heart (emotions), mind (thoughts), and will (actions) according to God's Word. They do this because they have a real love relationship with the Lord. For the Scriptures say, "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." (1 John 5:3). We do this because God has transformed our hearts, and spirits. We do this because God so loved the world. We do this because love lives within us. For God is love (1 John 4:8).

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Christian Assemblies International lists one thousand and fifty commandments within the New Testament.

http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/105...ament-commands
[HR][/HR]The only commands that I did not see on their list is the following:[SUP]





  • Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. (Mark 16:15)



  • Visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction (James 1:27).



  • Feed and clothe the poor, welcome the stranger, visit the sick, and those in prison (Matthew 25:35, 36).



  • "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor" (Matthew 19:21)






  • Receive the word of God not as the words of men, but as the very words of God (1 Thessalonians 2:13).



  • Give to the poor needy brother; Especially if you wish them well (James 2:15)


















  • Walk in the Spirit: This will result in the 9 fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5)



  • How to love according to 1 Corinthians 13.






  • Live by speaking the Word of God (Which is our daily bread) (Matthew 4:4)



















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I am sure there are more.

Not to go off topic or anything (And please forgive me P Rehbein):
But as for the Old Testament Law of Moses:

Well, I believe Jesus Christ has nailed that to the Old Law to the cross and implemented the New Covenant Law of Christ or rules under the New Testament; For Jesus said sometime before cross that the Old was about to vanish away (Hebrews 8:13).

Oh, and again, just so that there is no confusion. We are not saved by any Law keeping, but we are saved by Jesus Christ when we repent of our sins and accept Him as our Savior. Keeping the New Testament Law of Christ is merely the proof that God lives within you. For a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit. For salvation is not a super power but it is a person named Jesus Christ (1 John 5:12). Holiness and fruitful works is just evidence that you have been saved.

Hope this helps.

And may God bless you all.
 
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Clueless and biblical illiterate.
Don't shoot the messenger. Let's discuss the message instead. Okay? For I am not sure how your statement actually disproves any of the verses I posted in what I said. In other words, if you want to discuss the Bible in the Bible Discussion Forum, then lets discuss the Bible (Like one is supposed to be doing). If you want to attack me, then please do so by creating a thread titled: "Let's Be Un-Productive and Hateful and Attack Other Believers."
 
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Is it what you do or what has been placed in your heart. Is your faith in law?
 
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Is it what you do or what has been placed in your heart. Is your faith in law?
Technically, that is not what this thread topic is about. So I will not debate with you on this topic here. But I did not want to confuse anyone in what I had said (or leave any stone unturned), so I did already answer these questions in post #229 and post #230, though (If you are interested in checking them out).
 
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p_rehbein
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Jesus' statement, that the 2 laws in question fulfill the Law the Prophets, raises a question that if answered will enable us to better answer your question.


Should the New Testament, in its entirety be regarded as prophetic. I believe it should.

Admittedly, when Jesus made that statement, the NT was not yet written; but when it was accepted as Cannon, was it not also accepted as prophetic

I'm not trying to short circuit your thread; but I honestly consider the answer to my question pivotal to answering yours.
 
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None of this relates to the OP..............it is off topic...........
in your opinion its off topic. because you dont have context to what the bible said else ware.
 
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keeth

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BUMP............not that it will do any good............but, it's worth a shot I suppose.
Talk about denial. A thread about keeping commandments or not, is not about the law.