No Longer to Obey Commandments
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The well worn argument of OT Law does NOT have to be the centerpiece of every thread on CC.
No problem with discussing the meaning/ways of obedience. The rest of us have been doing it here without having to go off topic to do so. Surely you can discuss obedience based on NT Scriptures. The Gospel of Christ and the Epistles have many examples within them. No need to drag in the OT Laws of Moses.
Half-truths? Seriously? The Gospel of Jesus is half-truth? We are dealing with His Gospel.
You are welcome to join in, but doing so by staying on topic. I don't see how that is unreasonable. Common courtesy suggests folks should try to stay on topic when commenting on a thread.
Why not answer the questions raised in the OP using NT Scripture examples rather than enter into the same well worn argument of OT Law?
No problem with discussing the meaning/ways of obedience. The rest of us have been doing it here without having to go off topic to do so. Surely you can discuss obedience based on NT Scriptures. The Gospel of Christ and the Epistles have many examples within them. No need to drag in the OT Laws of Moses.
Half-truths? Seriously? The Gospel of Jesus is half-truth? We are dealing with His Gospel.
You are welcome to join in, but doing so by staying on topic. I don't see how that is unreasonable. Common courtesy suggests folks should try to stay on topic when commenting on a thread.
Why not answer the questions raised in the OP using NT Scripture examples rather than enter into the same well worn argument of OT Law?
NOTE TO ALL:
This is the topic of this OP.
IF the two commandments fulfill all other commandments of Christ as recorded in His Gospel, do they also fulfill all the commandments of Paul, James, John and Peter as recorded in their Epistles?
Please strive to stay on topic. I would rather this thread die from lack of comments than be hijacked by off topic arguments. At least it will have died of natural causes and not murder.
This is the topic of this OP.
IF the two commandments fulfill all other commandments of Christ as recorded in His Gospel, do they also fulfill all the commandments of Paul, James, John and Peter as recorded in their Epistles?
Please strive to stay on topic. I would rather this thread die from lack of comments than be hijacked by off topic arguments. At least it will have died of natural causes and not murder.
P
p_r, if Jesus said love fulfills the Law, He must have meant it.
that said, we're sheep....not the brightest.
so the NT commands are there to help, instruct and guide us, yes?
to show us more of what Love looks like?
God doesn't need our good works, but our neighbor does, Martin Luther said.
isn't that why most of the NT commands are horizontal?
(did i do as you asked?
)
that said, we're sheep....not the brightest.
so the NT commands are there to help, instruct and guide us, yes?
to show us more of what Love looks like?
God doesn't need our good works, but our neighbor does, Martin Luther said.
isn't that why most of the NT commands are horizontal?
(did i do as you asked?
)
p_r, if Jesus said love fulfills the Law, He must have meant it.
that said, we're sheep....not the brightest.
so the NT commands are there to help, instruct and guide us, yes?
to show us more of what Love looks like?
God doesn't need our good works, but our neighbor does, Martin Luther said.
isn't that why most of the NT commands are horizontal?
(did i do as you asked? )
that said, we're sheep....not the brightest.
so the NT commands are there to help, instruct and guide us, yes?
to show us more of what Love looks like?
God doesn't need our good works, but our neighbor does, Martin Luther said.
isn't that why most of the NT commands are horizontal?
(did i do as you asked?
) Consider your answer to the question I posed. If, as you say, love fulfills all of the commandments, then how are we to do good works for our neighbor without physical action?If love fulfills all the commandments, what happens to Communion and Baptism?
Yes, you did. Consider your answer to the question I posed. If, as you say, love fulfills all of the commandments, then how are we to do good works for our neighbor without physical action?
If love fulfills all the commandments, what happens to Communion and Baptism?
Consider your answer to the question I posed. If, as you say, love fulfills all of the commandments, then how are we to do good works for our neighbor without physical action?If love fulfills all the commandments, what happens to Communion and Baptism?
P
Yes, you did. Consider your answer to the question I posed. If, as you say, love fulfills all of the commandments, then how are we to do good works for our neighbor without physical action?
Consider your answer to the question I posed. If, as you say, love fulfills all of the commandments, then how are we to do good works for our neighbor without physical action?
it's like in James when he says if you see your neighbor in need and say, be warmed, be filled'.
(modern day equivalent, i'll pray for you?)
no---take them some food....buy them some fuel oil.
wouldn't that be loving God? doing as He asks?
M
No... what you seem to want to do is have a discussion about obedience and restrict it to what you understand...We learn obedience from the letter to the spirit by using the examples of the law, compared to faith and love. To say folks will find the truth of obedience without those examples given in scripture, is just silly and cannot help anyone! There is a reason Paul used the contrast between law and grace throughout his epistle to teach true obedience to God.
No, what I am doing is posing the question:
IF the two commandments fulfill all other commandments of Christ as recorded in His Gospel, do they also fulfill all the commandments of Paul, James, John and Peter as recorded in their Epistles?
If folks can not understand the question, or are unable to answer the question based on the Gospel of Christ and the Epistles of the Apostles, then that is their fault. For both the Gospel of Christ and the Epistles of the Apostles provide numerous examples of the answer to this question.
Simply accusing others of "lesser understanding" does not validate anything.
IF the two commandments fulfill all other commandments of Christ as recorded in His Gospel, do they also fulfill all the commandments of Paul, James, John and Peter as recorded in their Epistles?
If folks can not understand the question, or are unable to answer the question based on the Gospel of Christ and the Epistles of the Apostles, then that is their fault. For both the Gospel of Christ and the Epistles of the Apostles provide numerous examples of the answer to this question.
Simply accusing others of "lesser understanding" does not validate anything.
M
Well your starting from a false premise....and wont allow anyone to show that your wrong because you don't want to hear that YOUR WORNG! Christ was not preaching that by keeping parts of the law of Moses was obedience , he was uses the law as a shadow of His Commandment and law to love...If folks still see obedience to moses as obedience to Christ, that's false doctrine! Your just trying to teach false doctrine and not have anyone debate the truth....
P
Yes, and it is based on both spiritual and physical obedience is it not........or, correctly, ARE THEY not?
words alone won't cut it.
i mean, sometimes we use words to obey the Lord Jesus...(talking to others...or better, listening)
sometimes we skip certain words to obey Him, too.
Yes, and it is based on both spiritual and physical obedience is it not........or, correctly, ARE THEY not?
this is my understanding.
words alone won't cut it.
i mean, sometimes we use words to obey the Lord Jesus...(talking to others...or better, listening)
sometimes we skip certain words to obey Him, too.
words alone won't cut it.
i mean, sometimes we use words to obey the Lord Jesus...(talking to others...or better, listening)
sometimes we skip certain words to obey Him, too.
The same goes for the commandments/instructions given by the Apostles in their Epistles. But there are those who refuse to accept physical obedience, because they believe that physical action equates to obedience to the Law of Moses, and that simply is not true. They believe that physical obedience equates to legalism...........well, if that is true, then anyone who celebrates Communion or Baptism is a legalist.
This is the point..............this is the point. Obedience to the commandments of Christ is both spiritual and physical.
as evidences by his thread that says he is happy with his own self-righteousness,
and all his other posts (or she/ it/ autobot?)
he cannot understand anything at all that is true, nor can he/she/it grasp truth or understanding or wisdom.
quite a number of others have tried with all patience and gentleness and self-control to explain the scriptures to him/her/it,
but he/she/it does not seem able at all to read what they say even,
let alone understand it --- as they have
noted in many many posts.
and all his other posts (or she/ it/ autobot?)
he cannot understand anything at all that is true, nor can he/she/it grasp truth or understanding or wisdom.
quite a number of others have tried with all patience and gentleness and self-control to explain the scriptures to him/her/it,
but he/she/it does not seem able at all to read what they say even,
let alone understand it --- as they have
noted in many many posts.