why islam is evil

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svenhauke

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islam was invented by mohamed to make money for mekka

lets look at that idea

mohamed was a merchant of mekka

true false

mekka was making money of the khabba

where hundrets of "gods" of arab tribes where being

worshiped

in the kabba and mekka was making money off this worship

and mohamed thought :

how about uniting all these gods into one like the jews do and make mekka into the

tourist point of a universal religion

so mohamed created islam to make money for mekka
 
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svenhauke

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and it worked mekka is making money from islam
 
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svenhauke

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and mohamed made islam evil so it spreads by violence, cause mohamed wanted money for mekka
 
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svenhauke

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it wasn t the devil it was a man
 
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Islam isn't any more evil than Christianity. It is the individual and what he does with the religion. There are many great Muslims that love fully just like Christians.
 
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Ugly

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You realize this is the section for Christian Arabs, right, Sven? People who likely understand the Muslim teachings better than you, since many have been raised around, or even in them.
Not to mention a plethora of other threads on this subject already in existence.
 
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didymos

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You realize this is the section for Christian Arabs, right, Sven? People who likely understand the Muslim teachings better than you...
That's an understatement alright. :D
 
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aforgivensonofGod

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Islam isn't any more evil than Christianity. It is the individual and what he does with the religion. There are many great Muslims that love fully just like Christians.
I think you need to rethink what you've said or how you think. You call others for what they are. And I believe in what the Lord says when He said, "What is good is good, and what is evil is evil." But to call Christianity evil, in the sense, that you compare it to man, is not true. You either have a side you choose, regardless if you like it or not. You are either on God's side, or on another. And I for one, believe Christianity isn't evil. It's the life, the truth, the path, and the way. And no man can go to the Father, but by Me (Jesus.)

But yes, as individuals, people are different. Even those who are not of the Christian faith can love as much more, than those who are. But the difference is that those who are under God's grace, work in the power of grace that is giving to us by the faith, through the salvation of the holy Spirit, and redemption of Jesus Christ on the cross. To those who are in the Christian faith, have an access to power, that can brings light into our lives, and can love the way Jesus love.

To those who aren't, they don't have this access. Nor do they have that authority to work that access. They work on their flesh, and what ever they were taught, from their mindset, is how they reflect their love. But their love is limited, to just that, their flesh.

So please, don't call Christianity evil, and then call other sects to be just as evil, or just as loving. You either pick or the other. "For I would not, brothers, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in." Romans 11:25
 

blue_ladybug

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I think you need to rethink what you've said or how you think. You call others for what they are. And I believe in what the Lord says when He said, "What is good is good, and what is evil is evil." But to call Christianity evil, in the sense, that you compare it to man, is not true. You either have a side you choose, regardless if you like it or not. You are either on God's side, or on another. And I for one, believe Christianity isn't evil. It's the life, the truth, the path, and the way. And no man can go to the Father, but by Me (Jesus.)

But yes, as individuals, people are different. Even those who are not of the Christian faith can love as much more, than those who are. But the difference is that those who are under God's grace, work in the power of grace that is giving to us by the faith, through the salvation of the holy Spirit, and redemption of Jesus Christ on the cross. To those who are in the Christian faith, have an access to power, that can brings light into our lives, and can love the way Jesus love.

To those who aren't, they don't have this access. Nor do they have that authority to work that access. They work on their flesh, and what ever they were taught, from their mindset, is how they reflect their love. But their love is limited, to just that, their flesh.

So please, don't call Christianity evil, and then call other sects to be just as evil, or just as loving. You either pick or the other. "For I would not, brothers, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in." Romans 11:25

The OP of this thread was a troll and was banned..
 
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Abdullha_godslave

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Is there any evidence in what you say?

Mohamed before announcing he is a prophet he was loved and most trusted among his people , people used to trust him in their stuff ,actually he suffered the most after he announced he is a prophet as people start to hurt him, cut their relationship with him any one talk to him or help him will be exiled or killed , and its true he was said to return to worshiping their former gods and gave him money and a high rank in their trail , he refused and he was exiled of makka never returned their until most of the nation became Muslim and he only returned there to do Haj or Omar , he died and was buried in Madena , if I name these people would you know any of them?( Abou baker-OMAR BEN AL KATAP-OMAR BEN AL KATAP-OMAR BEN AL KATAP- Othman ben Affan-Ali ben Talib) spicily OMAR BEN AL KATAP one of Mohamed former enemy yet HE is the one that make the Muslim empire reach from Marco to Persia
untill we destroy it up in 1924 now ^_^
What you see now in Middle East… I mean if you don’t know who is OMER BEN KATAP IS you have no right speaking of Islam cuz meddle east now sure need one like him, here is a small taste of what he does
when he opened Syria Christians asked him to pray in their church he refused because he was afraid when he die people after him will turn it into a mosque instead he pray next to the church and now in Syria there is that mosque next to the same church, Mohamed isn't a god that we worship and no one in earth can abuse him more that he was abused back in his days(if that will make you happy)
Here is one of MOHAMED teachings:
Once he asked his people do you know who is the poor?
They said the poor who don’t have anything to eat.
He said the poor who come in judgment day he read the Quran, prayed, done everything god said, but HE ABOUSES SOME ONE OR HURT SOMEONE so god take form his good work gave it to the person who abused or hurt and take from his sins give it to that person until he becomes poor like he were never done a good thing in his life so he becomes a poor, and he is throng to hell.
So I am not to abuse and certainly not kill!!
See how evil his teaching is? ^_^
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Islam is a genocidal false religious system that advocates slavery (including the taking, selling, and use of women as sex slaves [historically attended by male slaves Muslims had castrated]) fabricated by a disgruntled young man in a cave who had just been rejected for leadership by his tribal leaders for being unstable.

Watch:

[video=youtube;JteZOMQWWws]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JteZOMQWWws[/video]

^ Libtards, please pay attention and see why Islam doesn't factor into your diversity efforts.
 

AJJ

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Islam is an inanimate thing without its followers, just like Christianity. Without followers or adherents both systems become non-existent for all intents and purposes. It seems to me that most Muslims represent Islam as a religion of respect and peace, like most Christians represent Christianity that way. The vast majority of Christians and Muslims do not commit legally punishable offences. The vast majority live peaceably, yet throughout history both religions systems have had professed adherents who do not live peaceably and do not live a life free of crime.

To say ''Islam is evil'' is sort of like saying ''Christianity is evil'' or ''atheism is evil''. They are nothing without the adherents who represent them and it is the adherents -- whether criminal and extremist or peaceable and law-abiding -- who decide what Islam, or indeed Christianity, is to them.

Like there are thousands of slightly varying denominations of Christianity, so there are thousands of slightly varying interpretations of the Koran. If there were not, we wouldn't see peaceful Muslims getting on the backs of extremist ones, nor peaceful Christians denouncing evil acts committed in God's name.

A religion can be no more evil than the people who represent it. And who represents it, to us in our Western world, is dictated by those whom the media choose to focus on most, which happens to be the extremists.

I don't remember the last time Western media talked about Mohammed ibn Musa al Khwarizmi inventing algebra or the Hadhrami who converted far and wide like peaceful Christian missionaries, or about Marrakech, Quala Lumpur and their astounding crime records, or the charitable Muslim foundations like the many charitable Christian ones, nor the Muslims who rally in droves against extremism, and the many websites on the internet run by Muslims who denounce such activity.

These things are not reported because the media magnates and politicians must create a disparagement of Muslims in order to justify to their public peoples' the continued extortion and oppression of Muslim peoples' by Middle Eastern governments and leaders who are frequently backed by Western powers for the financial benefits of Western countries at the cost of poverty for those who live in the Middle East.

Think of the Shah of Iran. His people by and large hated him. He killed thousands through Savat, including women and children, and those men who were conscripted (one third of his male population by some estimates) who did not agree to carry out his brutalities. The Shah was supported by the British and American governments because he supported BP oil, and signed treaties and trade agreements with the British that allowed them to effectively plunder Iran's oil at no benefit to Iran's people.

Think of the oppression of the Muslims in Western India and Eastern Afghanistan during the many wars between the two nations. Think of Iraq and Saddam Hussein's Ba'aath party who were supported by Western governments for similar financial reasons as those for which they supported the Shah. Saddam was a Sunni and his population were mostly Shias. They, too, hated their leader, and yet until Kuwait he was supported with arms and funding from Western sources.

Instances like these stretch back many years and for things like this to be allowed to continue (as they do now under the premise that the Middle East is a staunch threat to the West, thus it must be subdued) only further intensifies aggravation in Muslim regions and bolsters Western misconceptions of Muslim people.

It must be said, to finish, that while the Middle East is currently the ''hot-zone'', most Muslims actually do not live in the Middle East. It's quite a screwed up situation we have now. I imagine, for a few on these forums, it would benefit you to live outside America for a while and see news that doesn't feed into such preconceptions about Muslim people.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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AJJ, you said, "just like Christianity." That's not true. The truth-claims of Islam, Christianity, and atheism are all very different and, in fact, diametrically opposed to each other. You're making false assertions that aren't true showing that you've never seriously studied these worldviews.

And from a Christian perspective (and you're on a Christian website), understand that where Mohammad was just a mortal man who died after creating a false religious system, Jesus Christ is the living incarnation of God restoring fallen creation back to the Creator. So if every Christian dropped dead tomorrow; Christianity would continue to exist in heaven and ultimately back on earth for the simple reason that Jesus Christ is alive, is God, and wills it.

Furthermore, you're wrongly asserting that what people believe has no effect on their behavior. Of course it does and the aggregate of scholarly social science studies on the topic clearly show that it does. I strongly urge you to take a sociology 101 course and learn about how it does.

Which brings us to Islam is evil because it's a violent false religious system that advocates and extends eternal rewards for engaging in genocide and slavery (including the taking of females as sex slaves and the castration of male slaves) which historically the followers of Islam obeyed (behavior follows belief) as Islam is all about 'submission' to the will of Allah.

Educate yourself. Read books. Read about the negation of India in which Muslims murdered 80 million Hindus. Read about the 150 million Africans they enslaved and compare that with the 388 thousand brought to the U.S.. Read about the 29 million Africans they enslaved and transported to the Middle East castrating 80% of the males in the process. Read about the million Europeans they kidnapped off the coasts of Europe during the Atlantic Slave Trade. Read about their relentless invasions that sparked the Crusades. Read about their invasion of Europe and burgeoning white slave trade they established and the severe oppression they implemented upon Europe's peoples. Etc... I have a library of history books from the world's greatest historians and they all say the same thing. Try some modern authors even. Read anything by Dr. Rodney Stark, Dr. Thomas Madden, etc... to get started.

Endless Jihad is advocated by the religious texts which comprise Islam until the entire world is submitted to the false worldview and violence, enslavement, forced conversion, etc... are all legitimized within the Islamic worldview to accomplish this goal. And I don't know where you got the idea that texts advocating for evil are not evil by themselves. They are.

Christianity, on the other hand, teaches the exact opposite. Christianity IS a religion of peace. This is true, whether or not professing Christians (who may not even be genuine Christians) violate the religious teaching they claim to hold to. Understand that when a Muslim engages in violence and enslavement to further Islam, they are following Islam and expecting to be rewarded for doing so. When a professing Christian does it, they are violating the religious teaching they claim to hold and expecting to be punished. Foundationally different.

And don't make the ignorant mistake that so many young uneducated liberals do in wrongly confusing colonialism with Christianity. Just because they both start with the third letter of the alphabet doesn't make them the same thing. Colonialism is a political practice that every major civilization throughout human history engaged in at one point or another including Muslims AND atheists (see 20th century state atheism for more information on that and while you're at it research state atheist democide too).

And you want to know why crime is low in Islamic nations? Because they don't slap you on the wrist: they chop off your hand instead. As the Institute of Arabic and Islamic Studies states:.

"Islam’s philosophy with respect to the spread of misconduct is embedded in... severe penalty. The severity of punishment of a Muslim serves as a giant deterrent to committing a crime. Because of the severity of punishment, the majority of people would not commit the violation or even begin to think of following it through."

But look at Muslim polling: Muslim Opinion Polls - Challenging the 'Tiny Minority of Extremists' Myth

^ You don't see anything like this in the liberal democracies of Western Civilization.

And as for Christian denominations, you're obviously unfamiliar with the topic. First, the vast majority of Christian denominations adhere to the essentials of Christian epistemology and are genuinely Christian. Furthermore, these historically normalize to just a few parent roots. Most of their differences within these parent roots are minor and all surround non-essentials. As for the rest, since they not align with the essentials of Christian epistemology they are not genuinely Christian. These comprise the cults.

But you're making even yet another false assertion in stating there are thousands of forms of Islam. There's less than fifty. Less than fifty is not thousands. And, unlike the vast majority of Christian charities, those Muslim charities you're discussing are focused on helping other Muslims. This gets back to the enormous difference in status between a Muslim and a kafir (e.g. non-Muslims) in Islam. Read this and educate yourself about why Muslim charities predominately don't exist to help non-Muslims: Kafir - Political Islam

Still further, you're making ignorant assertions about science and Islam that you truly don't understand. Though I don't have the time to get into that lengthy topic with you tonight, read 'How the West Won The Neglected Story of the Triumph of Modernity' by Dr. Rodney Stark and correct your misunderstandings and ignorance which are extensive.
 

AJJ

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For a man who spends so much time giving other people jip about logical fallacies you're quite partial to a few of your own.

AJJ, you said, "just like Christianity." That's not true. The truth-claims of Islam, Christianity, and atheism are all very different and, in fact, diametrically opposed to each other. You're making false assertions that aren't true showing that you've never seriously studied these worldviews.
Straw-man, ad hominem. I never said ''the truth claims'' of the religions were the same. I said that as religions, they aren't active without followers. A religion cannot be practiced or represented without practitioners or representatives. Ad hominem, assuming I haven't studied these religions/worldviews and attacking the poster instead of the post.

And from a Christian perspective (and you're on a Christian website), understand that where Mohammad was just a mortal man who died after creating a false religious system, Jesus Christ is the living incarnation of God restoring fallen creation back to the Creator. So if every Christian dropped dead tomorrow; Christianity would continue to exist in heaven and ultimately back on earth for the simple reason that Jesus Christ is alive, is God, and wills it.
Reification fallacy.

Furthermore, you're wrongly asserting that what people believe has no effect on their behavior. Of course it does and the aggregate of scholarly social science studies on the topic clearly show that it does. I strongly urge you to take a sociology 101 course and learn about how it does.
Straw man. I never said it had no effect on their behaviour. I said that without practitioners, religions are not practiced. And that practitioners of religions practice it in very different ways that negate any ideas that all Islam is collectively ''evil''. And again, another ad hominem in there for good measure.

Which brings us to Islam is evil because it's a violent false religious system that advocates and extends eternal rewards for engaging in genocide and slavery (including the taking of females as sex slaves and the castration of male slaves) which historically the followers of Islam obeyed (behavior follows belief) as Islam is all about 'submission' to the will of Allah.
Christianity is also known for a history of slavery and sexual oppression. While this does not morally justify such things in Islam, it does show that practitioners of both these Abrahamic religions have historically been immoral, by your very standards for immorality. Bit of a failed moral high-ground fallacy.


Educate yourself. Read books. Read about the negation of India in which Muslims murdered 80 million Hindus.
Ad hominem. The assumption that I am uneducated.

Read about the 150 million Africans they enslaved and compare that with the 388 thousand brought to the U.S.. Read about the 29 million Africans they enslaved and transported to the Middle East castrating 80% of the males in the process. Read about the million Europeans they kidnapped off the coasts of Europe during the Atlantic Slave Trade. Read about their relentless invasions that sparked the Crusades. Read about their invasion of Europe and burgeoning white slave trade they established and the severe oppression they implemented upon Europe's peoples. Etc... I have a library of history books from the world's greatest historians and they all say the same thing. Try some modern authors even. Read anything by Dr. Rodney Stark, Dr. Thomas Madden, etc... to get started.
I would sit and go through all these revisionist claims one by one but I honestly don't think it would be worth my while whatsoever.

Endless Jihad is advocated by the religious texts which comprise Islam until the entire world is submitted to the false worldview and violence, enslavement, forced conversion, etc... are all legitimized within the Islamic worldview to accomplish this goal. And I don't know where you got the idea that texts advocating for evil are not evil by themselves. They are.
Then the bible is evil.

Christianity, on the other hand, teaches the exact opposite.
Patently false.

Christianity IS a religion of peace. This is true, whether or not professing Christians (who may not even be genuine Christians) violate the religious teaching they claim to hold to. Understand that when a Muslim engages in violence and enslavement to further Islam, they are following Islam and expecting to be rewarded for doing so. When a professing Christian does it, they are violating the religious teaching they claim to hold and expecting to be punished. Foundationally different.
I'm glad you know the mind of every professed Muslim and Christian in their moral or immoral actions. Good for you. But someone's religion does not necissarily encompass their entire worldview. There are a plethora of logical problems with this assertion. Psychologist's fallacy being one.

And don't make the ignorant mistake that so many young uneducated liberals do in wrongly confusing colonialism with Christianity. Just because they both start with the third letter of the alphabet doesn't make them the same thing. Colonialism is a political practice that every major civilization throughout human history engaged in at one point or another including Muslims AND atheists (see 20th century state atheism for more information on that and while you're at it research state atheist democide too).
Again, worldviews or religions are not practiced without practitioners and those practitioners often practice in very different ways. Some Muslims kill people. Some Muslims save peoples' lives.

And you want to know why crime is low in Islamic nations? Because they don't slap you on the wrist: they chop off your hand instead. As the Institute of Arabic and Islamic Studies states:.

"Islam’s philosophy with respect to the spread of misconduct is embedded in... severe penalty. The severity of punishment of a Muslim serves as a giant deterrent to committing a crime. Because of the severity of punishment, the majority of people would not commit the violation or even begin to think of following it through."


But look at Muslim polling: Muslim Opinion Polls - Challenging the 'Tiny Minority of Extremists' Myth

^ You don't see anything like this in the liberal democracies of Western Civilization.
Your country gives out the death penalty.

And as for Christian denominations, you're obviously unfamiliar with the topic. First, the vast majority of Christian denominations adhere to the essentials of Christian epistemology and are genuinely Christian. Furthermore, these historically normalize to just a few parent roots. Most of their differences within these parent roots are minor and all surround non-essentials. As for the rest, since they not align with the essentials of Christian epistemology they are not genuinely Christian. These comprise the cults.
Not according to the scholars who study these things.

The Size and Distribution of the World’s Christian Population | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

But you're making even yet another false assertion in stating there are thousands of forms of Islam. There's less than fifty. Less than fifty is not thousands. And, unlike the vast majority of Christian charities, those Muslim charities you're discussing are focused on helping other Muslims. This gets back to the enormous difference in status between a Muslim and a kafir (e.g. non-Muslims) in Islam. Read this and educate yourself about why Muslim charities predominately don't exist to help non-Muslims: Kafir - Political Islam
Straw man. I never said there were thousands of forms of Islam. Hedging. I said there are thousands of slightly varying interpretations of the Koran. No two people on Earth read exactly the same things from all of it. Clearly people read VERY different things from it when we have suicide bombers and compassionate ministries from the same religion.

Still further, you're making ignorant assertions about science and Islam that you truly don't understand. Though I don't have the time to get into that lengthy topic with you tonight, read 'How the West Won The Neglected Story of the Triumph of Modernity' by Dr. Rodney Stark and correct your misunderstandings and ignorance which are extensive.
Whatever.
 
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Islam fails for one simple reason, its basic assertion is a lie, and Muhammed lied to himself and others.

The core idea is God gave the right religion to mankind in every culture but it got corrupted. Islam is the only right way of living and muslims are the best of creatures, and non-muslims the worst of creatures.

This polarisation ignores the individual nature of sin from the heart, and makes it sectarian. Worse still if as a muslim you complain about sin in the muslim community you are commiting sin, haram, blasphemy. So the whole bad behaviour is hidden under the assumption muslims always behave the best.

The faith then goes on to redefine how you can sin but it is ok. This mainly centres around you victim being non-muslim or a wife. As there is no social pressure to sort things out, it goes to pot.

In their model of the world perfection will be achieved when all are muslim, or muslims dominate. It is this insane, a formula which does not check whether it is true, and does not care if it really works, just must be imposed.

I would not use the term evil for this, just insane.....
 

AJJ

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You assume me uneducated? I want to put you right in your place, because your arrogance stinks.

You have a dodgy MDiv (commonly known as a 'doss' or 'fluff' degree, which means it is for people who can't do real subjects and need some formal certifications) from an unaccredited distance learning school where people effectively buy letters after their names; a master's in Business Admin, otherwise known as being a glorified receptionist, from the very worst college in America; a Bachelor's in an unspecified scientific field from another distance learning university on probation for having inadequate educational standards for a university; and you graduated with an associate's from a college that has a record of only one degrees to every ten students with one of the lowest reputations among all America's colleges.

I've studied at UK ''grammar schools'' and Russell Group universities.

Can you even maths, bro? Do some sums.

Mediocrity + arrogance = trying to compensate.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I know it's difficult AJJ to wake up and discover most everything you think you know is just wrong but that's the situation you now find yourself in as my last post briefly demonstrated. The question now is how are you going to respond to it. Are you going to simply lash out at everyone around you or begin putting in the time and effort to learn what you need to know.

The truth is that you do have a great deal to learn. Most of what you're stating simply isn't true and your posts show that what you don't know, and which is critical to a correct understanding, is enormous. Lashing out at me, pretending like you're schooled in the principles of logic, and repeating things that aren't true will not make you a more informed person.

For that, you've got to put in some work... which I already have over many years and continue to do.

Now might be a good time to point out that your understanding of my resume is seriously flawed. But then you never asked because, for some reason, you think you know everything. It's true I did earn two master's degrees and a bachelor of science degree with A averages as well as another degree with highest honors and numerous science, technology, and theological certifications. In fact, I went to college for over twenty years at local and state universities both full time during the day and later at night after work. And yes, even later, I did distance learning as well due to the constraints a demanding career placed on me. Tell me friend, have you ever run an entire department in a large company AND finished a master's degree in your "spare" time with an A average like I did? I didn't think so.

But more importantly, I put in the time and hard work to educate myself far beyond that. I carefully read thousands of scholarly books over the years and researched many many topics. Before the Internet and the ability to so easily obtain materials, I read out the entire sections of more than one public library which are relevant to this discussion. Since then, much much more. My own library is extensive. And, my IQ test is well above average. And, I took the time to chase down and develop online relationships with known scholars in various fields which became relationships that I learned even more from. Your characterizations of me and my competencies are as misplaced as your false assertions about most everything you touch.

Your assertion that "Christianity is also known for a history of slavery and sexual oppression" is just another example of your ignorance. Slavery was a human institution from antiquity that every historical people group engaged in regardless of their religious worldview. And the conditions of slaves deviated materially throughout human history from people taken against their will and grossly misused to bond servants who voluntarily became slaves because their situations were better as a wealthy slaves than as a poor free persons.

Of course, like yourself, I find the entire idea of slavery repugnant. I'd rather die on my feet poor than be a rich slave. But that doesn't change the fact that slavery was a human institution practiced all over the world throughout human history.

What needs to be stated is that when effective moral opposition to slavery arose: Christian theology was essential to both. Not Islam which fully condones slavery and not atheism which has no inherent moral theology against the practice (as we saw in the 20th century under state atheism).

It was on the basis of the teachings of Jesus Christ (have you read them?) that Christians asserted slavery was sinful and must be abolished. Although it has been fashionable to deny it in our post Christian culture, antislavery doctrines began to appear in Christian theology soon after the decline of Rome and were accompanied by the eventual disappearance of slavery in all but the fringes of Christian Europe (not to be confused with the brisk slave trade Muslims imposed on Europe before Reconquista).

When Europeans subsequently instituted slavery in the New World, they did so over strenuous papal opposition. In fact, Pope Paul III issued two bulls against slavery imposing the penalty of excommunication on anyone, regardless of their "dignity, state, condition, or grade... who in any way may presume to reduce said Indians to slavery or despoil them of their goods."

Overseas Catholic missionaries fought vigorously against the practice on behalf of both Africans and Indians. On April 22, 1639 Pope Urban VIII (1623 to 1644), at the request of the Jesuits of Paraguay, issued a bull reaffirming the ruling by "our predecessor Paul III" that those who reduce others to slavery were subject to excommunication.

Eventually, the Congregation of the Holy Office (the Roman Inquisition) even took up the matter. On March 20, 1686, it ruled in the form of questions and answers as follows:

It is asked:

Whether it is permitted to capture by force and deceit Blacks and other natives who have harmed no one?

Answer: no.

Whether it is permitted to buy, sell or make contracts in their respect Blacks or other natives who have harmed no one and been made captives by force of deceit?

Answer: no.

Whether the possessors of Blacks and other natives who have harmed no one and been captured by force or deceit, are not held to set them free?

Answer: yes.

Whether the captors, buyers and possessors of Blacks and other natives who have harmed no one and who have been captured by force or deceit are not held to make compensation to them?

Answer: yes.

Nothing ambiguous here. The problem wasn't that the Church failed to condemn slavery; it was that few heard and most of them did not listen. In this era, popes had little or no influence over the Spanish and the Portuguese since at that time the Spanish ruled most of Italy. Consider that in 1527, under the leadership of Charles V, Rome was even sacked.

If the pope had little influence in Spain or Portugal, he had next to none in their New World colonies, except indirectly through the work of the religious orders which worked tirelessly to counteract what political nation states were engaging in for profit. In fact, it became illegal in colonies to even publish papal decrees because of their strong opposition to slavery.

Finally, the abolition of New World slavery was initiated and achieved by Christian activists. Now, I want you to go to your public library friend and read chapter 4 'God's Justice: The Sin of Slavery' in 'For the Glory of God' by Dr. Rodney Stark as an introduction to everything you have yet to learn.

And "sexual oppression" can mean a number of things. If you're talking about discrimination against women, it's not in the New Testament. If you're talking about God's holiness requiring absolute monogamy in order to receive His blessing for sex (which humans are designed for) that's called God's plan for human sex and family. God's normative morality isn't "sexual oppression" to moral people who love God and His holiness and who, along with their children, reap the benefit of moral nuclear families. No, immoral people are the ones that find morality to be "sexual oppression." For example, we don't let people diddle little children friend but classifying that as "sexual oppression" really misses the mark.

Wisdom demands that you began qualifying what I'm sharing with you. My advice is set the anger aside and start reading. You've only been exposed to the tip of the iceberg of what you really should know in your short lifetime. Peace.
 
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blue_ladybug

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you wrote this long post for nothing.. AJJ was banned earlier.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Then take it for your edification my dear. And, I hope for his sake, he did come back and read it afterwards.


you wrote this long post for nothing.. AJJ was banned earlier.