Myths and Realities about Easter

[RachelBibleStudent]

what about this? (verse 14)

John 19:13When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! 15But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

the preparation was the day before a weekly sabbath...you couldn't cook on the sabbath so you had to prepare everything the day before...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Apparently you don't know that the days begin at sunset so the Passover they had was at the very beginning of the 14th and the next day up until sunset was still the 14th of Nisan. That's OK, it's a rookie mistake.

apparently you don't know that this isn't true...

i address this exact misconception in my other thread... http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/89553-good-friday-easter-sunday.html

new days began at sunset...but the previous day -ended- at sunset...the sunset that began the seder was the -end- of the fourteenth of nisan...and the beginning of the -fifteenth- of nisan...the day when jesus died...

and actually you participated in that thread...so apparently you -do- know that what you said isn't true...

but since your purpose on this site is to deceive...your knowingly saying untrue things isn't very surprising...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

I think we both know why people continue with the myth of Ishtar.

nobody is 'continuing with the myth of ishtar'

however deceivers like you are still continuing with the myth that easter has anything to do with ishtar...

 

[Karraster]

what about this? (verse 14)

John 19:13When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! 15But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

the preparation was the day before a weekly sabbath...you couldn't cook on the sabbath so you had to prepare everything the day before...

Are you saying John 19:14 is in error? It says preparation of the Passover. And it says that on the day Messiah was crucified, about the 6th hour, which means the last meal He had with the disciples was not Passover.

 

[Tintin]

Where are the three nights at?

My 8 year old grandson can count this, I would think you could.

Maybe you should use some historical and cultural context. How was a day defined by the writers of the Gospels? That's a start.

 

[MarcR]

Maybe you should use some historical and cultural context. How was a day defined by the writers of the Gospels? That's a start.

The writers of the Gospels defined a day as commencing at sundown and ending at sundown; so the evening of the 14th of Abib ALWAYS comes before the morning of the 14th of Abib.

Jesus could not have been killed on the 15th of Abib because the 15th of Abib is ALWAYS a Levitical Sabbath. That is why the body had to be taken down before sundown.

In my analysis of the issue I used Exo 12; but Lev 23 will bring us to the same conclusion.

Rachel,

I don't know how you researched the topic; but, Ge 1:5
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
KJV
is a good starting place.

Lev 23:4-8
4 These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
KJV
should help you understand the timeframe in which the Gospel accounts ate set.

From here the Gospel accounts can be better understood. You appear to be trying to defend human teaching rather than Scripture; and that IMO is a bad approach.

 

[john832]

nobody is 'continuing with the myth of ishtar'

however deceivers like you are still continuing with the myth that easter has anything to do with ishtar...

Lemme see, I put forth God's Feast days and you propound a day that is not taught anywhere in the Bible and I am the deceiver?

 

[JimmieD]

Lemme see, I put forth God's Feast days and you propound a day that is not taught anywhere in the Bible and I am the deceiver?

You completely ignored her point. You wanted to connect Easter to Ishtar. She said there is no such connection.

 

[john832]

You completely ignored her point. You wanted to connect Easter to Ishtar. She said there is no such connection.

What connection does Easter have with Christ?

 

[JimmieD]

What connection does Easter have with Christ?

It's obvious at this point that you're just unable to defend your previous claim, and Rachel successfully called you on it.

 

[MarcR]

It's obvious at this point that you're just unable to defend your previous claim, and Rachel successfully called you on it.

The connection is very indirect. Easter takes its name from the Saxon Oester which is sometimes translated as goddess of the East and always refers to a fertility goddess. I f the connection with goddess of the East has merit (as I believe it does) then the direct reference is to Astarte (worshipped primarily at Ephesus though to some extent throughout Asia, Macedonia, and Achia. Astarte is indirectly related to Ishtar of Babylon

 

[john832]

The connection is very indirect. Easter takes its name from the Saxon Oester which is sometimes translated as goddess of the East and always refers to a fertility goddess. I f the connection with goddess of the East has merit (as I believe it does) then the direct reference is to Astarte (worshipped primarily at Ephesus though to some extent throughout Asia, Macedonia, and Achia. Astarte is indirectly related to Ishtar of Babylon

Not what they wanted to hear.

 

[JimmieD]

The connection is very indirect.

...or non-existent.

Easter takes its name from the Saxon Oester which is sometimes translated as goddess of the East and always refers to a fertility goddess. I f the connection with goddess of the East has merit (as I believe it does) then the direct reference is to Astarte (worshipped primarily at Ephesus though to some extent throughout Asia, Macedonia, and Achia. Astarte is indirectly related to Ishtar of Babylon

Do you have a reference for this? Eostre was the name of a month that corresponded to April, which is how it became associated with the Christian holiday for Jesus' resurrection. The etymology of Eostre derives from a Germanic word having to do with the dawn. This has no connection at all to Ishtar.

Ishtar/Astarte was a Semitic deity symbolized by and associated with lions, the evening star (Venus), love, war, fertility, etc..

What still has yet to be demonstrated is how Ishtar is in any way associated with the origins of Easter. Rather than jumping through hoops trying to make complex connections that don't really exist, it's much easier to see that Easter's origins are in the resurrection of Jesus, and the association with the specific name "Easter" has to do with the name of the month in which it was celebrated. This is especially much more believable because we have direct written documentation showing exactly this. We have nothing other than something beyond wild supposition that connects the origins of Easter to Ishtar.

 

[JimmieD]

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Do you have a reference for this? Eostre was the name of a month that corresponded to April, which is how it became associated with the Christian holiday for Jesus' resurrection. The etymology of Eostre derives from a Germanic word having to do with the dawn. This has no connection at all to Ishtar.

Ishtar/Astarte was a Semitic deity symbolized by and associated with lions, the evening star (Venus), love, war, fertility, etc..

What still has yet to be demonstrated is how Ishtar is in any way associated with the origins of Easter. Rather than jumping through hoops trying to make complex connections that don't really exist, it's much easier to see that Easter's origins are in the resurrection of Jesus, and the association with the specific name "Easter" has to do with the name of the month in which it was celebrated. This is especially much more believable because we have direct written documentation showing exactly this. We have nothing other than something beyond wild supposition that connects the origins of Easter to Ishtar.

The connection is very indirect. Easter takes its name from the Saxon Oester which is sometimes translated as goddess of the East and always refers to a fertility goddess. I f the connection with goddess of the East has merit (as I believe it does) then the direct reference is to Astarte (worshipped primarily at Ephesus though to some extent throughout Asia, Macedonia, and Achia. Astarte is indirectly related to Ishtar of Babylon

It's also worth nothing that in the East, in places like Ephasus and Macedonia, "Easter" was called "Pascha" not by a name associated with Ishtar.

 

[WalkByTheSpirit]

...or non-existent.



Do you have a reference for this? Eostre was the name of a month that corresponded to April, which is how it became associated with the Christian holiday for Jesus' resurrection. The etymology of Eostre derives from a Germanic word having to do with the dawn. This has no connection at all to Ishtar.

Ishtar/Astarte was a Semitic deity symbolized by and associated with lions, the evening star (Venus), love, war, fertility, etc..

What still has yet to be demonstrated is how Ishtar is in any way associated with the origins of Easter. Rather than jumping through hoops trying to make complex connections that don't really exist, it's much easier to see that Easter's origins are in the resurrection of Jesus, and the association with the specific name "Easter" has to do with the name of the month in which it was celebrated. This is especially much more believable because we have direct written documentation showing exactly this. We have nothing other than something beyond wild supposition that connects the origins of Easter to Ishtar.

If Easter was celebrate the resurrection of Christ day, why is it called Easter and celebrated with things that have nothing to do with Christ? And why is it celebrated by nonChristians? It's not hard to figure out. While Christians may celebrate the resurrection of Christ, the celebrations of "Easter" and similar pagan worship has been going on for thousands of years, even during the days of Moses

 

[JimmieD]

If Easter was celebrate the resurrection of Christ day, why is it called Easter and celebrated with things that have nothing to do with Christ?

Hunting Easter eggs and sitting in the lap of a giant bunny rabbit seems obvious to have nothing to do with the resurrection. Specific Easter traditions may or may not have anything to do with the resurrection. But the holiday itself rather obviously originates from the resurrection.

And why is it celebrated by nonChristians?

Non-Christians celebrate Easter? In what way?

It's not hard to figure out. While Christians may celebrate the resurrection of Christ, the celebrations of "Easter" and similar pagan worship has been going on for thousands of years, even during the days of Moses

But the origins of Easter (or Pascha if you get hung up on the word "Easter") are in the resurrection of Jesus, not pagan worship. The documentation for this is easily available.

 

[john832]

Hunting Easter eggs and sitting in the lap of a giant bunny rabbit seems obvious to have nothing to do with the resurrection. Specific Easter traditions may or may not have anything to do with the resurrection. But the holiday itself rather obviously originates from the resurrection.



Non-Christians celebrate Easter? In what way?



But the origins of Easter (or Pascha if you get hung up on the word "Easter") are in the resurrection of Jesus, not pagan worship. The documentation for this is easily available.

Post it up for us.

 

[WalkByTheSpirit]

Hunting Easter eggs and sitting in the lap of a giant bunny rabbit seems obvious to have nothing to do with the resurrection. Specific Easter traditions may or may not have anything to do with the resurrection. But the holiday itself rather obviously originates from the resurrection.



Non-Christians celebrate Easter? In what way?



But the origins of Easter (or Pascha if you get hung up on the word "Easter") are in the resurrection of Jesus, not pagan worship. The documentation for this is easily available.

It's easy to get hung up the the name Easter and the direct influence one particular culture/religion has on another. I think we should view paganism as a whole, the collective philosophies of all paganism and how they have crept in to Christianity. For me at least, I am going to stop celebrating the worlds holidays altogether instead of trying to Christianize them any longer.
I have come to the conclusion that I am going to start celebrating the Lord's supper and celebrate the resurrection with my life on a daily basis from now on. Also I am going to observe the Biblical celebrations and feasts instead with my family

 

[sparty-g]

To the OP: sources please.

 

[JimmieD]

Post it up for us.

Post what? We can start with Eusebius, Church History, V.23-25 if you want to discuss.

Now you post proof connecting Easter to Ishtar. This is your claim and you have yet to post anything verifying the claim.