bible interpretation

4enlightment · Mar 11, 2015

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Matthew 25:15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey.

prove-all · Mar 11, 2015

4enlightment said:

this verse shows Gods power, given in different measure.

God gave Jesus this power, by no measure , even from marys womb,

now Jesus gives Gods power to us, in different measures how he sees fit,

what we do with it, to further his kingdom, will be measured by him.

Enga · Mar 11, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

Jeff-56, you said cult teaching, that is fine but what if I'm correct.
You yourself reflect that you are cult because you publish my private message to you. You are more like Judas who betrays Jesus. You do not respect the teaching of others even if they are not in line with your believe.

You reflect the image of Devil my friend. And that is cult,.
I love you and forgive you but I do not know if the Holy Spirit will forgive you or not.
Do you called you self-christen? If yes, then what is using you to be pretend and send me the private message and then after you hear form me you publish it to the public.
That was sneaky and how is the father of sneaky ? Satan
That is rude and not humble and respect. Who is the father of Rude? Devil Satan.
That was not respecting other peoples believed. Who is the father of Disrespect? Devil Satan.

You also mention cult, but what if I’m correct? And how will you sin be forgiven my friend?

prove-all · Mar 11, 2015

and (even now already) is it in the world.

the devil is god of this world, he seeks who he may devour.

And for this cause God shall send them (strong delusion), that they should (believe a lie):

For the mystery of iniquity (doth already work): only he who now letteth will let,

until he be taken out of the way. (will get worse)

i could tack 100 verses about the true church being small , and becomming corupt from within.

no wonder theres so may interpations out there.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,
that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity,
not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.

4enlightment · Mar 11, 2015

prove-all said:

God has given each one of us a portion of His spirit, some has more and some has less, but whatever the amount that He has given, it should multiply; but if a person that is afraid to use it, should at least give it to someone that isn't, so that it can prosper or build interest.

prove-all · Mar 11, 2015

4enlightment said:

but no man can retain the spirit,
yes the fearfull to use it goes to waste
God wants an accounting

Jeff_56 · Mar 11, 2015

I'm not your friend - you are of the world, and of a cult teaching. You cannot be correct, because you oppose Yahweh's Word (the Bible), and His children. That is why it is brought out in the Light, for all to see - you desiring that kind of private post, with the information you claimed, is also of a cult, not of the truth.

as i said in another post, hopefully you are simply young and uninformed and simply didn't / don't / can't realize the false teaching you were tricked with.

everyone to start with, everyone, me included, according to scripture, was once in such a position,
so
you are no worse off and no more bad than me or any other person was at one time. and it is sheer grace
when we or anyone else is delivered from the cuit / demonic / teachings; all in and according to Yahweh's Word, His Will, His Plan, in Yahshua Hamashiach the Messiah.

if you keep opposing Yahweh's Word and keep opposing His children, you will simply end up worse off than before - not necessarily unreachable by Yahweh's grace in Yahshua, but you will make for yourself
a
lot harder time before turning to Him.

as love hopes for the best, if you have turned to Him, then keep on seeking Him and continue in Him to
learn what it is that is wrong in what you were taught, learn from Him and from His Word and from Yahshua and from His children (verified by testing, prayer, and always in line with all of His Word).

Your post partly quoted definitely re-verifies it -that you've been tricked/deceived either willingly or not, which is good in that the truth comes out, and perhaps for your sake so you can
be delivered from the false teaching.

Enga said:

Enga · Mar 11, 2015

Dear friends, you are not wrong in what you are saying. All are true. But the bible texts that the apostles wrote are purposely to strengthen the new believers who receive the Holy Spirit.
Why because the apostles decided to write letters to the new believers when the non-believers trying to destroy them.
What the apostles experienced in the past with the pressure from the non-believers and also with the concern of the new believers who receive the Holy Spirit, they decide to write to the new believers. They decided to write to the new believers and by doing that they were sitting down writing letters after letters. When they did that, they did not go around and laid hands on people and pray for them or they did not give speech to the people.
Writing of letters indicated that praying for the people stopped. The apostles Paul was the only strong man who decide to go around preaching the good news and praying for the people.
The rest of the apostles were not really strong. But when all of them died, the new believers were weak and only thing they have to do so to read the letters and prayed.
Acts 15: 14-18 and acts 16, is the beginning of letter writing and preaching and praying for people stopped.
Today we are reading the letters that the apostle Paul wrote, and we pretend that Paul laid his hands on us and prayed to God and we receive the Holy Spirit. The letters was meant for the new believers in the begging who receive the Holy Spirit.
Prophet Agabus said everything boldly in acts 21:11, acts 11:27.
He said that there will be a hungry, He said all this when he when he saw that the apostle have been mistreated. The Holy Spirit told him to say that.
We cannot repeat the letter that was written by Paul to the new believers who received the Holy Spirit.
The difference is in acts 15

prove-all · Mar 11, 2015

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

QUOTE]

why in this verse, children are favored more then others.

this world has filled us with false religion everywhere.

we have to forget what they teach, have a blank slate and follow, and he will write his ways on it.

God is calling us to be first fruits of man kind,

those who died not hearing , not called yet, still might have a future chance.

those called now, and who does not follow or are fearfull, they will not get a second chance.

Enga · Mar 11, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

1corintains 1:26-29, 26 Brothers and sisters, God chose you to be his. Think about that! Not many of you were wise in the way the world judges wisdom. Not many of you had great influence, and not many of you came from important families. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise. He chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 And God chose what the world thinks is not important[/B]—what the world hates and thinks is nothing. He chose these to destroy what the world thinks is important. 29 God did this so that no one can stand before him and boast about anything.

prove-all · Mar 11, 2015

and preaching and praying for people stopped.

(quote)

no that has never stopped.

Jesus started his church,on pentacost

in revelation are 7 churches, people treat these as churches only back then

but they represent his true small church through out the ages.
we are in the last era, about ready to spit us out of his mouth,

“The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:
and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches”

Christ is in the midst of those seven churches,
there was more then 7 in the mail route back then.
and where would his church be now.

the seven Church eras are not only history in Asia,
the seven churches are the seven eras from the time of Christ to the end.

why where they even in the book of revelation if not for future use.

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John”

7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write;
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it:
for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

- this door is still open to be a pillar in his temple,
to patient saints who keep his commandments.
he will give out the spirit of knowledge

the latter rain is falling.

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience,

I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation,

which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

- we are in this church era, the Laodiceans.

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

- he will pour out the spirit of the fear of the lord.

20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door,
I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which
I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither,
and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Enga · Mar 11, 2015

prove-all said:

and preaching and praying for people stopped.

(quote)

no that has never stopped.

Jesus started his church,on pentacost

in revelation are 7 churches, people treat these as churches only back then

but they represent his true small church through out the ages.
we are in the last era, about ready to spit us out of his mouth,

“The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:
and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches”

Christ is in the midst of those seven churches,
there was more then 7 in the mail route back then.
and where would his church be now.

the seven Church eras are not only history in Asia,
the seven churches are the seven eras from the time of Christ to the end.

why where they even in the book of revelation if not for future use.

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John”

7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write;
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it:
for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

- this door is still open to be a pillar in his temple,
to patient saints who keep his commandments.
he will give out the spirit of knowledge

the latter rain is falling.

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience,

I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation,

which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

- we are in this church era, the Laodiceans.

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

- he will pour out the spirit of the fear of the lord.

20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door,
I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which
I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither,
and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Preaching spread but but the distribution of the Gift of the holy spirit stopped. Yes it stopped.

Jeff_56 · Mar 11, 2015

In this, you are absolutely in a cult teaching opposed to Yahweh, opposed to Yahshua, and opposed to all of Yahweh's Word

no, there is no possiblity otherwise.

Enga said:

prove-all · Mar 11, 2015

the first era was at the start of his church

1Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; 2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

- no i do not know when the church era changed but

6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

the next era

8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

- the people called themselves jews but where not,
this does not say the jews where saying i am a jew, and was not.

someone was saying themselfs where jews, and where not,
cathloc church , with help of rome forced jewish , from Gods ways to recant or be killed

why does God give his oracles to the jews?

prove-all · Mar 11, 2015

Enga said:

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
for youre sake i hope you are wrong, but alas the word is allways right

Enga · Mar 11, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

can you read bible, join all the bible text and you will see. THe bible is the map to Gods kingdom.

Hoffco · Mar 11, 2015

MarcR said:

This attitude is the problem. We do not "all" know the "essentials" to be saved. And the Holy Spirit WILL NOT correct anyone in error ,UNLESS that someone studies HARD the WORD of GOD. None of us have the H.S. as a private tutor. We are all responsible to take the WORD of GOD and study it hard and see what it says to all. The big problem is that we are all sectarian, we follow our "church teaching", and will not learn for ourselves. We most love unity in error, and not unity in TRUTH. The Devil is an angel of light and has most Bible believing
pastors in His control. Love to all, Hoffco

prove-all · Mar 11, 2015

this is why i do not like the term re-born again,

believe in Jesus and youre done, spirit given amen.

it is begotten, like that sperm cell in a womans womb.

yes God gave mans birth to show his way to redemption.

you have to grow and feed off his word,

you are not born with a new body, and can be aborted.

untill We see Jesus face to face, inmortal born into his Family,

we are begotten and still growing

prodigal · Mar 15, 2015

Enga said:

church of Christ heresy at a guess

[h=4]Their theology may be either semi-Pelagian (salvation by works plus God's grace) or full-Pelagian (God's grace and the righteousness of Christ may be nice to have, but are not necessary for salvation because one can save himself by obedience).[/h]

Jeff_56 · Mar 19, 2015

......subject to clarifying, as the post itself(in the quote below) is very very awkward in the statements>>

the truth is that
the essentials to be saved are freely granted by God from heaven to whom He chooses to have mercy on.

yahweh's promise is that he will correct anyone who is in error(which is everyone to start) who trusts him and who calls upon him and who will do whatever he says no matter what.

studying hard has made many false prophets and teachers and liars, when done without trusting yahweh.

studying hard is not even close to necessary to be becoming like little children to be becoming children of yahweh. trust is required, not intelligence (especially not mankind's intelligence, which is repugnant and stupid and blind and ignorant and ungodly)...

we cannot find out what the WORD of GOD says to all -- you don't even appear to know what it says to you. (hopefully, though, it is just a misunderstanding and/or language barrier/confusion and not willful or wittingly what the post looks like as it is)...

we are not nearly ALL sectarian, we(we true born again ekklesia new creations in Christ Jesus by the Father's Will and Grace) DO NOT follow any such "church teaching" , and we who are sheep who know the shepherds voice listen to and follow the one true good shepherd JESUS CHRIST and listening to HIM ALWAYS we do what HE SAYS TO DO.

we DO NOT love unity in error (most people do- that is true; but not "WE" as in all here),
and we (we true born again ekklesia new creations in Christ Jesus by the Father's Will and Grace)
ALREADY LOVE UNITY IN UNION IN YAHSHUA ABIDING IN YAHWEH as HE PLANNED and PURPOSED all along.

finally, while it may be perfectly true that most all priests and pastors (of the world, obviously) are in the devil's control,
it is highly questionable depending partly on what you mean by "Bible believing pastors" whether or not most BIBLE BELIEVING PASTORS are in the devil's control or not. ]

if a pastor BELIEVES the BIBLE AND TRUSTS YAHWEH by GRACE through FAITH in YAHSHUA, then he is under Yahweh's control and not under the devil's control, simply.
if a pastor does not trust yahweh, he may be under the devil's control no matter what he believes.

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