AFT decides not to ban AR-15 ammo

[RickyZ]

We have the right to bear arms to protect us from the government.

That's where it all starts. Our forefathers fought a shooting war against a government that had become unresponsive and repressive. What they had fresh on their minds (and under their fingernails) was to give those who came after them the right to do the same.

you are aware that even though guns are "banned" in the UK, the outlaws still have guns.

Exactly. Bombs are more regulated than guns, yet the Columbine kids had plenty of those. You can't write laws to control people who don't follow the law.

The average person doesn't even know how to confront a home intruder and will likely kill someone unnecessarily or will have their firearm used against them.

BINGO. A well regulated militia... What makes a militia out of the average Joe? Training. And our forefathers knew that, that's why they put this part in. You can't put a deadly weapon into untrained hands. It's a deadly weapon, and people die! The militia isn't for everyone, and neither are guns. Guns are for the trained and recurrent.


But really, there's a day coming soon when even your guns won't help. Because our battle is not against flesh and blood. While we're here debating guns, we really otta be polishing our swords...

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Which is yet another very good reason not to invade other people's homes because you might get killed if you do.

The average person doesn't even know how to confront a home intruder and will likely kill someone unnecessarily or will have their firearm used against them.

 

[Sirk]

It's just not worth it to kill someone over a flat screen tv.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Exactly. Bombs are more regulated than guns, yet the Columbine kids had plenty of those. You can't write laws to control people who don't follow the law.

Exactly right. The law is for the law abiding. The legally-described consequences are for the lawless.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

How about the rape and assault of your wife and children. Richard Ramirez sodomized the wife and son of a man he murdered for entertainment not robbing anything from the home. How would that make you feel?

Love you brother but this transcends flat screen televisions like biology transcends an amoeba. Google "home invasion murder and rape." I got over 1,250,000 "hits." Start reading.

Jesus said in John 10:10 that the thief doesn't just come to steal but also to "kill and destroy."

But not here anyways. Here is safe. Here if a sower to the wind spawns, he reaps the whirlwind and goes to the morgue so that life can go on for law abiding moral people.

It's just not worth it to kill someone over a flat screen tv.

 

[RickyZ]

Exactly right. The law is for the law abiding. The legally-described consequences are for the lawless.

Yep. Laws won't stop the lawless. They merely describe how we are going to respond to them.

 

[Chainhand]

Anne Frank should have called the police.

 

[jennymae]

I dont think putting a ban on guns will solve any problems at all. Just gonna make the the burglars, rapists, murderers etc. go hog wild in your home. I was raised in the backwoods, and everybody, even the ladies, fully knew how to operate a gun, and there was never a problem, everybody carrying bad intentions knew what would happen if they decided to break into somebodys home...

 

[dcontroversal]

I prefer my 25/06 for deer. I have a semi auto 223 that's fun for varmints. In my mind, a firearm like an ak or ar are good for varmint and target shooting. I realize people use them for bigger game but it has always seemed off to me.....maybe it's because it feels to me like they are not ideal for safe hunting practices.

A 25/06 is an excellent deer gun HAHAHHAH

 

[dcontroversal]

For those who live in countries with banned guns and those who want to ban guns......I have spent 51 days in Australia over the last 4-5 months and they have banned guns for the most part......yet almost every day on the news there was a shooting of some sort that resulted in a homicide and or homicide/suicide<-------Criminals will always get the guns even when guns are banned.......

99% of people who own guns in the U.S. use them legally and in a responsible way and to be frank...I am glad I can defend my house with a weapon besides a knife or baseball bat!

 

[Sirk]

How about the rape and assault of your wife and children. Richard Ramirez sodomized the wife and son of a man he murdered for entertainment not robbing anything from the home. How would that make you feel?

Love you brother but this transcends flat screen televisions like biology transcends an amoeba. Google "home invasion murder and rape." I got over 1,250,000 "hits." Start reading.

Jesus said in John 10:10 that the thief doesn't just come to steal but also to "kill and destroy."

But not here anyways. Here is safe. Here if a sower to the wind spawns, he reaps the whirlwind and goes to the morgue so that life can go on for law abiding moral people.

I'm not disagreeing with you. If someone broke into my house I would take up a defensible position that defended my family and would inform the burglar that I am armed and if they approach me or my family members I would shoot to kill.

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm not disagreeing with you. If someone broke into my house I would take up a defensible position that defended my family and would inform the burglar that I am armed and if they approach me I would shoot to kill.

I would not even give them the time to respond.....and the only informing they would get would be boom, boom, boom....from either my handgun and or my semi-auto Russian Saiga 12 guage loaded with number 4's or buck shot!

 

[Sirk]

I have kids and I couldn't live with myself if I mistakenly killed one of them or if I killed a kid who came to steal my tv......I guess I'd rather let them have my tv. In montana we have a law called the castle doctrine....some guy in Missoula killed a foreign exchange student over a 12 pack of beer he was trying to steal from the fridge in his garage.....sad. It was discovered the guy lied in wait for him.


Judge issues written order denying new trial for Kaarma

 

[Oncefallen]

A lot of states have similar laws some call it the Castle Doctrine, others the Stand Your Ground Laws, here in Colorado it is known as the Make My Day Law named by some of it's detractors when it was going through the legislature who swore that the law would result in thousands of people being killed by Dirty Harry types.

Any of those laws that I am aware of require that the defending person REASONABLY be in fear for his life. Someone digging around in your garage (unless he's armed and you're in the garage) doesn't satisfy that criteria whereas once the person enters your living space that rapidly changes especially in the middle of the night.

 

[Sirk]

A lot of states have similar laws some call it the Castle Doctrine, others the Stand Your Ground Laws, here in Colorado it is known as the Make My Day Law named by some of it's detractors when it was going through the legislature who swore that the law would result in thousands of people being killed by Dirty Harry types.

Any of those laws that I am aware of require that the defending person REASONABLY be in fear for his life. Someone digging around in your garage (unless he's armed and you're in the garage) doesn't satisfy that criteria whereas once the person enters your living space that rapidly changes especially in the middle of the night.

Pulling the trigger is easier said than done....especially for a civy. If you do, you better be prepared to live with the consequences, because no matter how it plays out there will be some. Properly defending your home with a firearm is a result in being trained to do it and continuing to train. I think many people have the mistaken notion that because they have a gun in the house...they are safe. Of course military veterans have likely received the proper training in all things firearm related.

Most people don't even know that if you have a weapon equipped with laser sites and you kill a home intruder you are likely in a heap of trouble.

 

[dcontroversal]

Pulling the trigger is easier said than done....especially for a civy. If you do, you better be prepared to live with the consequences, because no matter how it plays out there will be some. Properly defending your home with a firearm is a result in being trained to do it and continuing to train. I think many people have the mistaken notion that because they have a gun in the house...they are safe. Of course military veterans have likely received the proper training in all things firearm related.

Most people don't even know that if you have a weapon equipped with laser sites and you kill a home intruder you are likely in a heap of trouble.

I look at it like Oncefallen's last line.......someone breaking into my house in the middle of the night is there for no good reason.......other than to cause harm.....I am not saying that I would take pleasure in killing anyone, but to come into my house in the middle of the night, you had better knock loudly and for sure if you kick a door, come through a window etc. you will be going out on a stretcher......or in a black bag that zips up......!

 

[Sirk]

I look at it like Oncefallen's last line.......someone breaking into my house in the middle of the night is there for no good reason.......other than to cause harm.....I am not saying that I would take pleasure in killing anyone, but to come into my house in the middle of the night, you had better knock loudly and for sure if you kick a door, come through a window etc. you will be going out on a stretcher......or in a black bag that zips up......!

If that happens....make sure you play up your fear to the cops....just a word to the wise. Crying won't hurt. lol

In my house they won't get in without the dogs going ape.....my dogs go nuts if they hear a squirrel peeing 9 miles away.

 

[Oncefallen]

Pulling the trigger is easier said than done....especially for a civy. If you do, you better be prepared to live with the consequences, because no matter how it plays out there will be some. Properly defending your home with a firearm is a result in being trained to do it and continuing to train. I think many people have the mistaken notion that because they have a gun in the house...they are safe. Of course military veterans have likely received the proper training in all things firearm related.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. I'm a firm believer that someone who keeps a firearm in the home for the purpose of home defense is a fool if they don't take a couple of classes in firearms combat and routinely practice with the weapon. It's easy to point a weapon at another human being, but not as easy to actually squeeze the trigger for many. The split second of hesitation can be the difference between living and dying.

Of course after the fact there are the emotional / psychological ramifications that most are not equipped to deal with either. It may feel good to know that you are still alive but most people (unless they are borderline psychopathic) are going to mentally replay the event over and over in their head wondering if they could have done something differently.