Myths and Realities about Easter

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bottom line, Jesus gave us one sign only, and friday to easter is not it

and it is not in man to know his own steps
Well, nice try, but not quite.

If you look at Matthew chapters 27 & 28, Mark chapters 15 &16, Luke chapters 23 & 24, and John chapters 19 & 20, it is pretty clear that they are all referring to "the Sabbath" as in "on the 7th day" -- that is, Saturday.

According to all four of the gospels, Jesus died around 3:00 p.m. on the day before the Sabbath day. The Sabbath day is Saturday, therefore, Jesus died on Friday.

So we have established two of the three days involved. But when did they realize that Jesus wasn’t in the tomb? We celebrate Easter on a Sunday, but could it have been on a Monday or a Tuesday instead? Nope.

Here again we find agreement between the four gospels that the events took place on the first day of the week," which would be Sunday. Don’t just take my word for it,look at those eight chapters I listed. You will see they include the references to Easter morning.

Saturday, which is the Sabbath, is the last day of the week, Sunday is the first day of the week. There’s really no getting around the timeline of Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. So how is that three days?

First we need to look at a slight-but-important difference in wording. The Bible does not say that Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights. What the Bible actually says is that Jesus rose "on the third day." That might seem like a minor difference, but it’s actually quite important.

It is factually and morally wrong to blame the Jews for Jesus’ death. Everyone born after Adam is to blame, because everyone after Adam has sinned, and made the sacrifice of Jesus necessary. However, it is accurate to blame the Jews for the weird time-keeping we’re about to run into. You’ll remember that Jesus was a Jew, as were all of His original Apostles. Judaism doesn’t consider the days to start and end at midnight. Instead, days start and end at sunrise/sunset.

So:

  • Jesus died at noon on Friday = First day
  • Sundown Friday to sundown Saturday = Second day.
  • Sundown Saturday to sundown Sunday = Third day.
"On the third day" means anytime after sundown on Saturday and before sundown on Sunday.

Capice?
 

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Therefore let us keep (the feast),
of unleavened bread , a floating holyday, not fixed like easter

3 days 3 nights by Gods days,not by mans math or ideas,
and no scripture is againest you on this, i can show but someone allready did.

celebrate it as how you want, that is everyones right and free will,

but that does not make it right or ok in Gods eyes
 
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but that does not make it right or ok in Gods eyes
I don't think God gives one cotton-pickin' whit about the math. He gives a great big whit about why He did what He did.
 

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I don't think God gives one cotton-pickin' whit about the math. He gives a great big whit about why He did what He did.
yes correct because Jesus as passover,what he did for all of us,

He said to keep the feast to honor him.


not romans easter, it's not the same holiday, and pagon in origan not from God


but the math is the only sign he gave to know what was true
 
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Rachel,

I have supported my statements with reliable sources; can you support yours?
actually what you did was fail to quote a single primary source documenting the existence of a goddess supposedly named 'eostre'...and then absurdly asked me to document the nonexistence of documentation...

the fact is that there are no contemporary sources documenting that this goddess supposedly called 'eostre' even existed...the only documentation that exists is a second hand report from bede...who never actually witnessed eostre worship and only says that it happened 'in olden time'...

if you disagree...find a primary source like real historians do...don't quote speculation from bible dictionaries...
 
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Actually, it's not "impossible" at all. Israel did not offer just one Passover lamb sacrifice. It offered several -- so many that the slaughter took most of the two hours before sundown. As Josephus, the Jewish historian wrote several years later:

So, as we can see, the shofar announcing the beginning of the sacrifice was sounded at the "ninth hour" (3:00 PM), and that is when Jesus died.
this doesn't work because the passover lambs were slaughtered -before- the seder and jesus died -after- the seder...so jesus died twenty-four hours -after- they started to slaughter the passover lambs...
 
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I read that post and have to say it was wrong.

the problem is by the time Jesus , passover and 7 days of U.B. was all clumped together.

and is very confusing in the new testement, i would recommend going back to origanel feasts to see.


i would also ask forgiveness for my bad grammer, thanks
so according to you and john832 the plain words of the new testament are confusing and we should look elsewhere...

and actually i -did- look at the description of the original feasts in the torah which i used to support my point...if you had actually 'read that post' as you falsely claimed...you would have seen that...
 
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actually what you did was fail to quote a single primary source documenting the existence of a goddess supposedly named 'eostre'...and then absurdly asked me to document the nonexistence of documentation...

the fact is that there are no contemporary sources documenting that this goddess supposedly called 'eostre' even existed...the only documentation that exists is a second hand report from bede...who never actually witnessed eostre worship and only says that it happened 'in olden time'...

if you disagree...find a primary source like real historians do...don't quote speculation from bible dictionaries...
Silly me, Rachel, I thought you already addressed this a number of times. :)
 
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This is a good question... I would like to know if I am understanding Ezekiel ch 8 correctly...

Does Easter not bring idols into the church and therefore this makes God jealous and provokes him to anger. All this is found in Ezekiel ch. 8.

EZE 8:10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.

the name "easter" which most say comes from Ishtar is directly connected to Tammuz (Sumerian deity) I have heard that Tammuz was Ishtar's husband... Ishtar left her husband in her place in the underworld so she could live on...

EZE 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

My friends even said they get up extra early to watch the sun rise on easter...

EZE 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

I mean the whole chapter speaks of this vision that is being done in the Lord's house.... I personally do not observe Easter but rather Passover. Of course I don't think anyone intentionally worships the above listed because in their hearts they celebrate Christ's Resurrection. But those things are still there...
ezekiel 8 has nothing to do with easter...the weeping for tammuz began at the summer solstice...when the sun reached its highest point in the sky each year and nature began to go 'downhill' into autumn and winter...a natural cycle that was identified with the death of tammuz...
 
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also The Catholic Encyclopedia reported:

“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this tranference
of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.
i am sure the roman catholic church will be delighted to hear that you actually -believe- what they say...

i guess i just fell for one less roman fabrication than you did...
 
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Uh, you got some scripture for that?

Three days and three nights from Friday at sunset to Sunday morning before sunrise?

Count that for me please.
that would be pointless considering you refuse to accept the -biblical- method of counting days that is demonstrated in acts 10...

why would anyone attempt to use scripture to convince someone who rejects scripture?
 
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bottom line, Jesus gave us one sign only, and friday to easter is not it
actually friday to easter -was- the sign...but those you follow missed the sign and invented their own false christ that you now idolize...
 
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3 days 3 nights by Gods days,not by mans math or ideas,
you are the one ignoring God's days as demonstrated in the inspired scripture of acts 10...and following man's math where you use the modern unbiblical assumption that 'three days and three nights' means seventy-two hours...
 

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There is no way Jesus died on the 15th of Abib! The 15th of Abib is a Levitical Sabbath and has all the requirements of a 7th day Sabbath. There is no way Jesus died on Wednesday! If Jesus died on Wednesday, 14 Abib; then Thursday was the Levitical Sabbath, and there was no obstacle to the women attending the body on Friday.

Jesus ate the Passover on Wed night, 14Abib. Jesus was crucified at 9am Thursday, 14 Abib. Jesus died before 3Pm on Thursday, 14 Abib. At sundown Thursday 14, Abib; The Levitical Sabbath of 15 Abib began; and continued until sundown Friday, 15 Abib. The women could NOT attend the body on the Levitical Sabbath. At sundown Friday, 15 Abib; the seventh day Sabbath of Saturday, 16 Abib began. At sundown Saturday, 16 Abib; Firstfruits, Sunday (the first day of the week),
17 Abib began. Jesus arose on Sunday, the first day of the week.

Thursday night /Friday, is Abib 15 (1night and 1day.)
Friday night/Saturday is Abib 16 (2nights and 2 days)
Saturday night/Sunday is Abib 17 (3nights and 3 days) Jesus rose ON the third day right on schedule!

If Jesus arose before dawn on Sunday; then the time between entombment on Thursday and sundown satisfies the third day.
 

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i am sure the roman catholic church will be delighted to hear that you actually -believe- what they say...

i guess i just fell for one less roman fabrication than you did...
i believe what they say downright, every bit a lie, and i believe that is truth.

also the bible calls the cathloc church mother of harlets.

where did you get the idea i agree with them ?
 

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actually friday to easter -was- the sign...but those you follow missed the sign and invented their own false christ that you now idolize...
sorry that is not what the bible teaches, 3 days 3 nights was the sign, not one an half days,

again the world follows romans ways, that is not in the bible,
oh wait yes it is, something about the true church started being corrupt from within


give to cesar whats cesars, give to God whats Gods
 
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i wrote this essay hoping that these rumors and misinformation about easter can finally be definitively put to rest here... that probably won't happen...but i can always dream...

MYTHS AND REALITIES ABOUT EASTER

About the Timing of the Crucifixion

MYTH: Jesus died on a Wednesday, not on Good Friday.
REALITY: Jesus died on a Friday. The day was the Day of Preparation, the day before the Sabbath, according to Mark 15:42 and John 19:14,31,42. It has been claimed that this was the day of preparation for a special "high Sabbath" associated with the Passover festival and not the weekly Saturday Sabbath. However Jesus died on the 15th of Nisan according to the Hebrew calendar, since he had just held the Passover seder the night before, the night of the 14th of Nisan. The two special Passover Sabbaths took place on the first day or the 15th of Nisan, and the seventh day or the 21st of Nisan, according to Exodus 12:16, Leviticus 23:7-8, Numbers 28:17,25 and Deuteronomy 16:8. There was no special Sabbath associated with the Passover feast on the 16th of Nisan, the day after Jesus died. If the 15th of Nisan was a day of preparation for a Sabbath, it could have only been for the weekly Saturday Sabbath which happened to fall on the 16th of Nisan that year.
The real source of this myth is a misunderstanding of what was meant by the "three days and three nights" that Jesus spent in the tomb. In ancient Hebrew idiom, "three days and three nights" did not mean seventy-two hours. In fact seventy-two hours was the upper limit for what could constitute "three days and three nights." A "day and night" simply referred to the twenty-four hour timeframe when something took place, regardless of whether the entire twenty-four hour period was taken up by the action. If Jesus died on Friday, around the ninth hour or 3:00 PM as in Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34, and was buried before evening that day as in Matthew 27:57, Mark 15:42, and Luke 23:54, then the remaining few hours of Friday would have been counted as the first "day and night." The second "day and night" was Saturday, and when Jesus rose before dawn on Sunday morning he was already about twelve hours into the third "day and night." Friday, Saturday, and Sunday would have been counted as "three days and nights." If Jesus had died on a Wednesday, ancient Jews would have actually counted that as five days in the tomb!

MYTH: Jesus died at the same time as the Passover lambs were being slaughtered.
REALITY: This is an unbiblical tradition that is popular among some Christians, probably because it just seems so appropriate. In reality Jesus died around the ninth hour or 3:00 PM the day after the Passover seder, when the lambs would have been slaughtered at twilight as commanded in Exodus 12:6 and Deuteronomy 16:6. Although this tradition would seem fitting, it is biblically impossible.

About the Name of Easter

MYTH: Easter is named after the Babylonian goddess Ishtar.
REALITY: Easter and Ishtar only sound alike. There is no etymological relationship between the two. Easter is named for the Germanic month when it takes place, Eosturmonath or "dawn month." Ishtar on the other hand was an Akkadian name meaning "she who waters, " referring to her original role as a sky goddess of rain that produced fertile harvests. Easter and Ishtar have about as much in common as "paraklete" and "parakeet."

MYTH: Easter is named after the Germanic goddess Eostre.
REALITY: It is not certain that a Germanic goddess named Eostre even existed. The only historical reference to this goddess is in Bede's "De Temporum Ratione," where he relates that Eosturmonath was named for a goddess called Eostre. Bede himself admitted that Eostre worship was extinct by his time and that he had personally never witnessed it, getting his information from hearsay instead, so the accuracy of his account is doubtful. In fact the widespread scholarly consensus today is that the name Eosturmonath actually comes from the Old Germanic word "eostarum," meaning "dawn," so that Eosturmonath is the "dawn month."

NOTE: Most cultures that celebrate Jesus' resurrection on this day do not even call it Easter. It is usually referred to as "Pascha" or some variation on that name, which is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew term "Pesach," referring to the Passover.

About Easter Customs

MYTH: The egg was a symbol of Ishtar, so Easter eggs have pagan origins.
REALITY: The egg was not a Babylonian symbol of Ishtar at all. Ishtar was represented by lions (for example on the Ishtar Gate in Babylon) and by eight-pointed stars representing the planet Venus. In reality the association of eggs with Easter comes from the fact that eggs were not eaten during the Lenten fast. Eggs were part of the celebration of Easter because they were naturally in surplus when the fast ended and it was permitted to eat them again. In this way Easter was like a reverse Shrove Tuesday. Over time the egg was given another meaning as a symbol of new life given by Jesus' resurrection.

MYTH: The rabbit was a symbol of Ishtar/Tammuz, so the Easter bunny has pagan origins.
REALITY: It is mistakenly assumed that because rabbits breed quickly they must be symbols of Ishtar, a fertility goddess. In fact neither Ishtar nor Tammuz were symbolized by rabbits in Babylonian culture. I have already mentioned the real symbols of Ishtar, and Tammuz was represented by sheep, fish, and birds with broken wings. The association between rabbits and eggs in springtime actually did not appear until the 1600s in the Protestant regions of Europe, starting with a case of mistaken identity. Plover birds commonly take over the nests of hares, and the discovery of plover eggs in hares' nests led to the tradition of a hare leaving behind eggs around Easter time.

MYTH: Eggs were dyed red in the blood of babies sacrificed to Ishtar, so painting Easter eggs has particularly wicked pagan origins.
REALITY: I have already shown that the egg was not a symbol of Ishtar. Furthermore as a fertility goddess Ishtar was worshipped through rites involving sexual intercourse, not human sacrifice. This is actually a very recent rumor, first appearing in 2001 in "The Mystery of Iniquity," a short book written by false teacher and self-proclaimed Messianic Jewish rabbi Michael Rood (on what can be called the "dark side" of the Hebrew Roots movement). Rood provides no citation for this claim and it is apparent that he just made it up. This misinformation found its way onto the Internet around 2005, and had begun to spread slowly by 2007, with the propagation of the rumor picking up dramatically in the past two or three years. The notion that Ishtar worship involved ritual human sacrifice seems to derive from a 1960s horror movie called "Blood Feast," where a psychopath sacrifices his victims to Ishtar, whom the filmmakers had clearly confused with the bloodthirsty Egyptian goddess Sekhmet.
In reality it is likely that the practice of dying Easter eggs red was a reference to the blood of Jesus. Several Christian traditions suggest miraculous origins for the red-colored eggs, but none of these are particularly credible.

About Nimrod and "Semiramis," often Mentioned in Debates about Easter's Origins

MYTH: Nimrod had a wife named Semiramis and a son named Tammuz, and all pagan practices originate from this family.
REALITY: There is no mention of Nimrod in any historical records outside of the Bible. Anything beyond what Scripture says about Nimrod is fiction or wild speculation.
Around 400 BC a Persian writer named Ctesias of Cnidus described a Babylonian king named Ninus and his wife Semiramis and their exploits about 1,800 years before his own time. (Ninus himself was a mythical king who is not mentioned in any of the exhaustive Mesopotamian king lists.) Ctesias' legend of Ninus was repeated and embellished by Diodorus Siculus in the 1st Century BC. Later a forger writing in the name of Pope Clement of Rome mistakenly identified the nonexistent king Ninus with the Biblical Nimrod and further embellished the tale with the claim that he had taught the Persians to worship fire. These notions were then collected and very greatly embellished by Alexander Hislop in his extremely inaccurate book "The Two Babylons." Hislop also claimed that Nimrod and Semiramis had a son named Tammuz. That claim is a total fabrication, since the son of Ninus and Semiramis was said to have been called Ninyas, not Tammuz, and since the mythological Tammuz was probably based on a semi-legendary king named Dumuzid, who had completely different origins from what Hislop claimed. Practically all of the rumors in circulation about Nimrod, Semiramis, Tammuz, and their supposed role in the origin of paganism can be traced back to Hislop's false speculations and imaginings.
The real "Semiramis" was the queen Shammuramat, wife of king Shamshi-Adad V of Assyria. She lived in the 9th Century BC, about 1,500 years too late to have had anything to do with Nimrod or the origins of paganism.

HAPPY EASTER!
I agree that the word "Easter" in Acts within the KJV is referring to the "Passover." But I do not agree that 4 days is the equivalent of 72 hours in Acts. Nor do I agree that Jesus died on a Friday. That is just not possible according to Scripture.

A Wednesday crucifixion is the only choice a person can make that fits the events in Scripture and the important parallels involved.

Saturday 10th (Day)
(Saturday Sabbath) This was when the Passover sacrifice was inspected (i.e. when Christ rode in on a donkey and he went to the Temple). This makes sense because Exodus 12:3 says that this is the day that the Passover was to be inspected. So as Israel rejected their Messiah as their coming King (When he rode in a donkey), Israel desired to kill Him and had accepted Him as a sacrifice instead.

Tuesday 13th (Night)
(Beginning of 14th (Wednesday) - Eve of the Day of Preparation (Passover))
Jesus celebrates the Seudah Mafseket, which literally means Last Supper. This was a Jewish feast celebrating the fast of of the firstborn. The Jews would eat on this night and the firstborn would fast the next day on the Day of Preparation. Jesus was firstborn within his family so he would have fasted. For Jesus is to be the firstborn of the dead (i.e. the Last Adam) (Colossians 1:18). This also was a special New Covenant Celebration, too. For Scripture says, "And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." Jesus does not eat the Passover for He is to be our Passover during the following day on the Passover Preparation Day.

Wednesday the 14th (Day)
(Day of Preparation continues (Passover))
Jesus is crucified at 3:00PM (ninth hour) and is our Passover Lamb that is sacrificed for us. Christ who knew no sin was made to be sin for us. His innocent blood pays the penalty for our bondage or slavery to sin.

Wednesday 14th (Night)
At sundown of the 14th, the 15th Begins the Passover meal and the eating of unleavened bread). This was the Feast Day of the Passover / Unleavened Bread. This was a Holy Day and no servile work was to be done this day. Why? Because Jesus is the only one who can pay the price for our sins. We cannot work to save ourselves. Only Christ can save us if we allow Him to abide in us (So that He can do the good work thru us). For we are to feed off of Christ. For Christ is the living bread from Heaven; He is not real physical bread, but Christ is spiritual bread because He gives us spiritual life and sustenance.

Thursday 15th (Day)
Passover / Feast of Unleavened Bread - High Holy Sabbath Day. No servile work could be done on this day. Mary could not buy spices to anoint Jesus on this day because it was a High Holy day or High Sabbath.

Friday 16th (Day)
Mary goes out and buys spices and then prepares them all day. Mark 16:1 tells us she did this after the Sabbath. This was not after the Saturday Sabbath but it was after the high holy day Sabbath (i.e. the 15th). Mary couldn't have bought spices early morning on Sunday (After the Saturday Sabbath) because there would have been no time for her to go to the shops to buy spices and the prepare them and still arrive at the tomb when it was yet still dark out (John 20:1).

Saturday 17th (Day)
(Saturday Sabbath) Jesus rises within the closed tomb on the Saturday Sabbath at 3:00PM. For Jesus said He would be in the heart of the Earth for three days and three nights. The heart of the Earth is not the grave because he was not buried in the ground. The heart of the Earth is Abraham's bosom in sheol. For he told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in that very day in Paradise. Not that evening or the next day or two days later. He told the thief that he would be with him in Paradise that very day. So Jesus' death would then start the clock of Christ being in the heart of the Earth. Jesus' resurrection takes place on a Saturday Sabbath because He is our eternal rest. This is on the 17th day which is significant thru out all of Scripture. In fact, it was the time that Noah's ark had rested on Mount Ararat before the flood waters had completely abated later on. For it was showing that God's judgment had ended and that a new life was about to begin for Noah. Just as Christ's resurrection before He obtained eternal redemption up in Heaven was about to begin a new life for us.

Sunday 18th (Before Sunrise)
Mary discovers the angel and the empty tomb. This takes place on a Sunday, the first day of the week which symbolizes a new start or beginning. Furthermore, Jesus completes his plan of redemption for mankind. For on this day Jesus had ascended to the Father and entered the Holy Temple up in Heaven by His blood and obtained eternal redemption for us. For this is where Jesus became our high priest and mediator between God the Father and us (i.e. mankind).
 

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so according to you and john832 the plain words of the new testament are confusing and we should look elsewhere...

and actually i -did- look at the description of the original feasts in the torah which i used to support my point...if you had actually 'read that post' as you falsely claimed...you would have seen that...
i said they where confusing, i read youre post , thats why i said it,

you had days mixed up and youre outcome was wrong.

john helped make my words better to understood, correcting you.

John was not confused, nether am i about it, saying look in old ways too to confirm.

but if you looked and knew the old ways , you would not have come to youre conclusion
 

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Well, nice try, but not quite.

If you look at Matthew chapters 27 & 28, Mark chapters 15 &16, Luke chapters 23 & 24, and John chapters 19 & 20, it is pretty clear that they are all referring to "the Sabbath" as in "on the 7th day" -- that is, Saturday.

According to all four of the gospels, Jesus died around 3:00 p.m. on the day before the Sabbath day. The Sabbath day is Saturday, therefore, Jesus died on Friday.

So we have established two of the three days involved. But when did they realize that Jesus wasn’t in the tomb? We celebrate Easter on a Sunday, but could it have been on a Monday or a Tuesday instead? Nope.

Here again we find agreement between the four gospels that the events took place on the first day of the week," which would be Sunday. Don’t just take my word for it,look at those eight chapters I listed. You will see they include the references to Easter morning.

Saturday, which is the Sabbath, is the last day of the week, Sunday is the first day of the week. There’s really no getting around the timeline of Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. So how is that three days?

First we need to look at a slight-but-important difference in wording. The Bible does not say that Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights. What the Bible actually says is that Jesus rose "on the third day." That might seem like a minor difference, but it’s actually quite important.

It is factually and morally wrong to blame the Jews for Jesus’ death. Everyone born after Adam is to blame, because everyone after Adam has sinned, and made the sacrifice of Jesus necessary. However, it is accurate to blame the Jews for the weird time-keeping we’re about to run into. You’ll remember that Jesus was a Jew, as were all of His original Apostles. Judaism doesn’t consider the days to start and end at midnight. Instead, days start and end at sunrise/sunset.

So:

  • Jesus died at noon on Friday = First day
  • Sundown Friday to sundown Saturday = Second day.
  • Sundown Saturday to sundown Sunday = Third day.
"On the third day" means anytime after sundown on Saturday and before sundown on Sunday.

Capice?
I believe they refer to the Levitical Sabbath of the 15th of abib; which was immediately followed by the 7th day Sabbath.

That is the only plausable reason why the women were NOT able to prepare the Lord's body on Friday.
 
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this doesn't work because the passover lambs were slaughtered -before- the seder and jesus died -after- the seder...so jesus died twenty-four hours -after- they started to slaughter the passover lambs...
And ... ?? What's the difference.

When the Seder was has diddly-squat to do with when Jesus was crucified. The Seder and the sacrifice are two different events. The only ones allowed to eat the actual sacrifice are the priests. The celebration of the Passover, however, is separate from that. The Bible nowhere says He died on Passover. And the explanation I gave accounts for His resurrection on Sunday morning.