Bestseller Book.....New Age Versions of the Bible

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Dan_473

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Jason0047 said:
...the KJV has proven itself time and again that it is a divinely inspired book (That is perfect and without error).
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God hasn't said what the proof of a divinely inspired book is... or if he has, I'm interested in reading that.

if we use the test of perfect and without error, we need to find the book that is perfect and without error, so we can hold up the book in question next to it. It becomes endlessly circular.
 
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Dan_473

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Jason0047 said:
Three Scriptural Reasons to Trust in a Perfect Word of God today.
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I looked at the post #136 from the other thread. I didn't look at the videos yet. Has God said to use those videos to find his perfect word?

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Therefore, seeing Scripture plainly states these facts, it then becomes an issue of a test of your faith in God's Word (See the test the devil gave to Eve in Genesis 3:1 KJV)
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yes, faith in God's word, but that's not the same as faith in a translation. Has God said how to identify his word? Is it in the bible, or some extra biblical source?

We can discuss rev 13:1 if you want. We would need to see the perfect copy of this verse before we could know for sure which translations get it right. And we need that perfect copy so we can use it to test which teachings are correct about where the devil stands.

Does God say to use numerics to find his perfect word? Yes, there is the 666th chapter of the kjv that talks about adding one thing to another. That's really a stretch to say that's the definitive test for a translation.

All these tests mentioned so far have a significant difficulty... one needs a perfect copy so one can know how to find the perfect copy.

so, if there is a test for God's perfect word that isn't circular, I'm interested.
 
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I'll use my drama skills (?) for one example of circular stuff, getting stuck in a loop. (In this scene, Joe and Fred already agree that satan may be able to add, take away, and alter words in manuscripts or translations.)

Fred: the kjv is God's perfect word.

Joe: why do you say that?

Fred: let's start with Psalms 12:6, "The words of the Lord are pure words"

Joe: is that for sure what God said?

Fred: yes.

Joe: why do you say that?

Fred: it's from the kjv, and the kjv is God's perfect word.

(go back up to second line and repeat)
 
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Hey, look. You were not really interested in the observable evidences. You were just interested in proving your own point.

In other words, I can ask you,

"How do you know there is no perfect Word of God?"

And you could just reply,

"I just do."

*Then begin circular argument*

The difference between us is that I actually believe that Scripture verse you quoted and you don't. You believe the verse goes beyond it's plain written meaning (Which we both know you are forcing that word to do that so as to fit your belief).
 
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Jason0047 said:
Hey, look. You were not really interested in the observable evidences.
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Not true. I've asked many times where God has said what the test is to see if a book is his perfect word. I haven't seen an answer. What you have posted so far is your reasonings... which are not the same as God saying something.

You were just interested in proving your own point.

In other words, I can ask you,

"How do you know there is no perfect Word of God?"

And you could just reply,

"I just do."
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But that's not what I reply. There may be a book that is the perfect word of God here on earth today... but unless God tells us how to find it, it doesn't benefit us.

*Then begin circular argument*

The difference between us is that I actually believe that Scripture verse you quoted and you don't.
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not true.

You believe the verse goes beyond it's plain written meaning (Which we both know you are forcing that word to do that so as to fit your belief).
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the plain meaning is "God’s words are pure words". It doesn't say how to test if a book is God's perfect word or not.

I'm not disputing that the kjv is a really good book. The question is, "Has God said how to test if a book is his perfect word?"
 
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SaintJoeNow said:
If they don't have a KJV, they don't have the Word of God in English and your prayer in ignorance is not going past the ceiling.
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Hmmm, apparently salvation was not available to anyone who spoke English and died before 1611.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Hey, look. You were not really interested in the observable evidences. You were just interested in proving your own point.

In other words, I can ask you,

"How do you know there is no perfect Word of God?"

And you could just reply,

"I just do."

*Then begin circular argument*

The difference between us is that I actually believe that Scripture verse you quoted and you don't. You believe the verse goes beyond it's plain written meaning (Which we both know you are forcing that word to do that so as to fit your belief).
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No the difference is that you worship a translation/transliteration while rejecting the historicity of the KING JIM, their own preface and the fact that it was copied (OT) almost verbatim from an English version already in print........but of course you reject this as you are the supreme king of knowledge who cannot admit error!
 
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Hmmm, apparently salvation was not available to anyone who spoke English and died before 1611.
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I already said before that this is not a salvation issue. There are some KJV Onlyists who do believe that. But I do not agree with them on that point.
 
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Here's what I mean by 'Has God said how to test if a book is his perfect word.'

When Jesus is born, angels appear to shepherds. They tell them the messiah is born in Bethlehem. They don't leave the shepherds to guess at which baby is the messiah, there may have been many. They give the shepherds a test. They tell them to look for a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger. Then it says the shepherds found him.

So, is there a test that God has given us to find which book is his perfect word?



here's some possible answers,

Yes
No
I don't know
 
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Dan_473 said:
Here's what I mean by 'Has God said how to test if a book is his perfect word.'

When Jesus is born, angels appear to shepherds. They tell them the messiah is born in Bethlehem. They don't leave the shepherds to guess at which baby is the messiah, there may have been many. They give the shepherds a test. They tell them to look for a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger. Then it says the shepherds found him.

So, is there a test that God has given us to find which book is his perfect word?



here's some possible answers,

Yes
No
I don't know
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Yes, God's signature is on it.
 
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Dan_473 said:
cool! details? what is God's signature?
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All the attributes of God... no contradictions, no blemishes, absolute truth. There's also the chapter and verse numbering that contain the word of God just as much as the text. God's signature is all over the KJV.
 
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KJV1611 said:
All the attributes of God... no contradictions, no blemishes, absolute truth. There's also the chapter and verse numbering that contain the word of God just as much as the text. God's signature is all over the KJV.
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well, before we can say if it has blemishes or not, we need a book without blemishes to compare it to.

also, Genesis 11 says that God confused human language. So, any book written in a human language is confused, which I wouldn't say of God.
 
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Dan_473 said:
well, before we can say if it has blemishes or not, we need a book without blemishes to compare it to.

also, Genesis 11 says that God confused human language. So, any book written in a human language is confused, which I wouldn't say of God.
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We don't need a book without blemish to make sure we have a book without blemish. The book proves it's own inerrancy. The words on paper are not the word of God any way, the word of God is hidden under those words. There are many surface words that can be used to reveal God's word. God's word is not bound by language.
 
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Why is this still going on, the OP was banned, who obviously had an agenda

who obviously had nothing better to do

who boils down Christianity to Bible version - moral deist


Who denies the Holy Spirit behind God's Word as the only agent to apply salvation to the soul
 
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thecreationtutor said:
Why is this still going on, the OP was banned, who obviously had an agenda

who obviously had nothing better to do

who boils down Christianity to Bible version - moral deist


Who denies the Holy Spirit behind God's Word as the only agent to apply salvation to the soul
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I think the larger question, 'how do we know what's true,' is relevant to a lot of people... are we guided into truth by the power of the Holy Spirit? sounds good to me!
 
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Dan_473 said:
I think the larger question, 'how do we know what's true,' is relevant to a lot of people... are we guided into truth by the power of the Holy Spirit? sounds good to me!
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You're right Dan it is very relevant. The spirit does not speak of himself, he only speaks what he hears. He hears us reading the bible... if the bible we read isn't speaking the truth, then the Holy Spirit has nothing to work with.... nothing to bring to our rememberance. This comes from John 16:13.
 
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This comes from John 16:13.
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True, but I don't see any mention in the verse where Jesus told us what English translation was "inspired" and which ones weren't. roll-eye-smiley.gif

I'm certain that is because there is no such version -- and because Jesus knew His words would live forever regardless of the language in which they were recorded. Which is good, because He spoke Aramaic and, because of the desire of God for His word to reach the whole world, He recorded it in three language which are dead as doornails -- they do not change, so they can be examined for accurate translation into the imperfect languages of today without fear that anything has been lost.
 
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