No he didn't yell us us which English version in that verse. But in another place he said his sheep hear his voice. I hear his voice in the KJV.
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The Spirit can only speak the bible he hears us reading? It's a possible reading... I like how The Message puts it
"He won’t draw attention to himself, but will make sense out of what is about to happen and, indeed, out of all that I have done and said."
so, has God said what test to use to see if a bible is telling the truth?
Yeah thats quite a difference. In the message bible, how does the Spirit make sense out of what is about to happen and all that Jesus had said? Does he just outright speak it into our heart and mind or does he use scripture to teach us?
It's not really personal revelation, it's more like a man and womans marriage relationship. After a while you get to know your mate very well... to the point that you know what will and what will not come out of your wives mouth.
It's the same with the bible. Just like in your message bible example. The message bible leaves me wide open to be devoured by a roaring lion... false prophets, lying spirits and certain men who crept in unawares. I know Jesus well enough to know that he wouldn't leave me vulnerable.
I suppose the spirit could just outright speak it into our heart and mind or use scripture to teach us... I think God can communicate in many ways...
Personal revelation because it varies from one person to the next... some Christians hear God's voice in the kjv, some don't...
very true, Jesus wouldn't leave us vulnerable... and, imo, he wouldn't require people to read an archaic language to read the bible...
how does the message leave you wide open?
How does one know if the spirit that is speaking to them is the Holy Spirit or "another spirit"? Millions of people "led by the spirit" are following a multitude of cults.
Joel Osteen appears to have those traits, does that mean was can believe his message?
Here's the test I use. Are the following fruits growing well in one's life?
'...the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, and self-control.'
true story: I go through the posts one by one, and I had just responded to 208 when I saw this... very cool.
couple things...
I use the test just on myself, not others... though if someone shows high amounts of the works of the flesh, I tend to think they're not in tune with God...
I don't know Joel personally... just what's on tv... to get a real picture, we need to talk to his wife kids, housekeeper...
If you find that listening to Joel seems to greatly increase your fruit, then go for it, imo...
No, he doesn't. Let's look at what the passage says (And then compare it with other Scripture).
God's Word said:
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). For Jesus said "if you love me, keep my Commandments." This is the Command to love God and to love all other people according to the New Testament is a part of one's faith in God's Word. John says, "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. " (1 John 4:7). Again, this is "love" as described or laid out to us in the New Testament. In fact, John says if we say we fellowship with him and walk in darkness, we lie and do not the truth (1 John 1:6). For John says, "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected:hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." (1 John 2:3-6).God's Word said:
In other words, he does not currently have the true " faith " (A fruit of the Spirit) as described in God's Word because he is not keeping God's Word. For we know we are in Him if we are keeping His Commandments (See the "green lettered words" in the passage above). Which is then confirmed by the following verse (i.e. verse 24 in Galatians chapter 5):
God's Word said:
For those who are truly Christ's (i.e. those who are truly of Christ's possession) have crucifed the flesh with the affections and lusts. Meaning, they do not live a life in constant disobedience to God's Word. Now, do not misunderstand me here, I am not promoting "Works Salvationism", because if a believer messes up, they do not go back and do more "Works" to offset the bad that they have done, but they get cleansed by Jesus Christ in confessing their sin to Him; For if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). In other words, a person will always be humble before God and admit his faults to the Lord and be cleansed. This is trusting in God's grace and salvation and not their own merits for salvation. From there, God will then do the "good work" or "fruit" within the believer (Thereby confirming their faith to be true). For Christ is the source of a person's salvation. For he that has the Son has life, and he that does not have the Son does not have life. (1 John 5:12). So true "faith" is in the fact in proving if God truly lives within you or not (Whereby fruit will naturally result). Paul says, "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" (2 Corinthians 13:5).
In other words, when a person has truly repented of their sins against God, they will be changed spiritually by God and saved. The Lord will then do the good work thru them as a confirmation that their heart and spirit have been changed and that He lives within them (See Ezekiel 36:26-27).
Well, he makes millions of dollars a year. He teaches that prosperity is a good thing. His book is titled, "Your best life now." Although he says does not specifically preach about money and he thinks it is unfair he is labeled among other prosperity preachers, he does in fact teach a prosperity gospel because he thinks Godliness is gain or that it is God's good purpose that he (and or others) can accumate lots of wealth so to do good with it (supposedly).
Read 1 Timothy chapter 6 (KJV). That will cure any thinking that a New Testament believer can be rich in this life.
Jesus says, put your treasure in heaven and not here upon this Earth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Side Note:
Please take note that I am fully aware of Solomon and how God blessed him greatly in a material way. However, we are no longer living under the Old Testament seeking to rebuild the Jewish temple so as to sacrifice animals again, though.
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His reported Networth:
Joel Osteen's Net Worth | RichButBroke
Also, we have to take note that Solomon was a king who was chosen to be specifically be blessed by God in a material way. In fact, even Old Testament Scripture warns against trying to multiply your own wealth (along with wives, ect.). Also, God did not set out to make everyone a Solomon, either.
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Anyways, we know that a true believer is different than the pagan religionist or mystic who claims to be of the Lord (working even signs and miracles) because we follow God's Word (Which is based on a book that is unlike any other book in human history; For it is God's Word that is truly divine in origin. For it is backed up by many observable evidences). Also, the false religionist who claims to have God working in their life, will not be promoting the higher standard of morality being promoted in the Word of God within the New Testament. For there will be some kind of darkness or sin that they will have in their life that does not match up with God's Word.
For we can see the evidences of God's Word being fulfilled right before our very eyes with it's many prophecies and truths in our lives. No other relgion even comes close to doing this.
For we can see the evidences of God's Word being fulfilled right before our very eyes with it's many prophecies and truths in our lives. No other relgion even comes close to doing this.
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So really the fact is you use the use the bible to determine whether he is a false teacher or not.... and not the fruits of the spirit.
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