The biblical canon...any books missing from the Bible that ought to be there?

[Jason0047]

Exactly the errors in mention in all English versions, and mainly that very small ones in the KJV does not change the gospel message. Yes why some were left out and others were not is a big discussion, and not to many know that Hebrews, 2 Peter, 3 John, and even the book of Revelation at one point were considered part of the Apocrypha books. They no longer are now days as they are part of our biblical cannon. People want to base all understanding of one version and call others all corrupt, but that is not true in all cases and the bible says the Holy Spirit will guide is in all truth.
If people want to stick to KJV only that is fine, but is not the perfect that is to come the bible speaks of as it has word play errors and punctuation errors as well. Putting comma's or period's where there is none in the original.......

I am sorry, my friend. There are no errors in the KJV. Only if you want there to be errors in it (Then that is what you will see). However, I have to disagree that the Modern Translations don't change the gospel message. Many of them do in fact do that very thing in several key verses in a very subtle way. Some versions say all sin is forgiven you (Implying future sin is forgiven you). Some versions eliminate "Walk after the Spirit" in Romans 8:1 so as not to be under the Condemnation, etc. The people who made these Modern Translations have messed with God's Word, and they are going to have to answer to Him (For making changes to it).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Granted, while I do use Modern Translations to update the "Early Modern English" (1600's English) to "Late Modern English" (Today's English), the NKJV makes huge corruptions to God's Word (i.e. the KJV).

It changes:

"soul" (KJV) to....... "living being" (NKJV) (Genesis 2:7)
"sodomites (KJV) to "perverted persons" (NKJV) (1 Kings 14:24, 15:12, etc.)
"which are saved (KJV) to "who are being saved (NKJV) (1 Corinthians 1:18)
"bewitched the people (KJV) to "astonished the people (NKJV) (Acts 8:9)
"They were amazed" (KJV) to "They are dismayed" (NKJV) (Job 32:15)
"repented" (KJV) to "relent" (NKJV) (Matthew 21:32)
"wounds" (KJV) to "tasty triffles" (NKJV) (Proverbs 18:8) Tasty triffles? Really?
"dishonesty" (KJV) to "shame" (NKJV) (2 Corinthians 4:2)
"and let not thy soul spare for his crying." (KJV) to "and do not set your on his destruction." (NKJV) (Proverbs 19:18)

In Isaiah 11:3, the entire phrase "And shall make Him of quick understanding" in the KJV is eliminated in the NKJV, NWT, NASV, NIV, and RSV.

In the footnoes on Daniel 3:25, the NKJV casts doubt on the words, "Son of God" by placing in the footnote: "Or: a son of the gods."

In 2 Timothy 2:15, the KJV says, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God." The NKJV and NASV change "study" to "be diligent." The NIV and RSV change the word "study" to "DO YOUR BEST." There is a big difference in me "studying" versus "being diligent" and or "doing your best."

"to take on" (KJV) to "give aid" (NKJV) (Hebrews 2:16).
Jesus did not take on the nature of angels. Big difference to what the NKJV says.

(KJV) "For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham."​

(NKJV) "For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham."​

"God" (KJV) to "divine" (NKJV) (1 Peter 3:20)
I know God was longsuffering as He waited in the days of Noah.
But in the world does "divine longsuffering supposed to mean?

(KJV) "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."​

(NKJV) "who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while [the] ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water."​

"Corrupt" (KJV) to "Peddle" (NKJV) (2 Corinthians 2:17)
The NKJV hides that which it does.
The NKJV corrupts the Word of God elimating the word "corrupt" to some kind of selling of the Word.

(KJV) "For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ."​

(NKJV) "For we are not, as so many, peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ."​

the KJV is an english translation of Gods word. like any translation should be treated as such, All biblical study should be closely monitored with origional language and greek hebrew studies at hand, and non trusted fully. although ALL of them can fully bring a person to the knowledge of Christ.

This king jimmy worship is quite honestly for the birds.

 

[Utah]

I am sorry, my friend. There are no errors in the KJV.

Regarding Saul's conversion: KJV, Acts 9.7 and Acts 22.9 contradicts itself.

And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
Acts 9.7

And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. Acts 22.9

 

[Jason0047]

the KJV is an english translation of Gods word. like any translation should be treated as such, All biblical study should be closely monitored with origional language and greek hebrew studies at hand, and non trusted fully. although ALL of them can fully bring a person to the knowledge of Christ.

This king jimmy worship is quite honestly for the birds.

First, please actually read what I had written instead of just blindly posting so as to give your opinion. For if you read what I had written, then you would have explained the differences between the two.

Second, it is ridiculous to assume that people who believe the King James as being the divinely inspired preserved Word of God for our day are actually bowing down and praying to an actual book as if it was a magical object of power that replaces the Lord our God. I am sure there may be a few radicals that might, but that is not the majority of those who believe in the KJV as being the divinely inspired Word of God. We respect and revere God's Word. We cherish His words. Sort of like how a woman might cherish the words written by her husband within a love letter. That does not mean she is bowing down to the letter, and talking to it, and or that she takes that letter out on dates and stuff (as if it was a person). So please stop making ridiculous statements that we worship the KJV.

 

[crossnote]

Regarding Saul's conversion: KJV, Acts 9.7 and Acts 22.9 contradicts itself.

And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
Acts 9.7

And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. Acts 22.9

Not contradictory. One is hearing what sounds like a voice but the other account makes clear they didn't specifically make out the words...just the sound of a voice.

(hearing A voice) vs (hearing THE voice of Him)

 

[psychomom]

Do we, peoples of the earth, have the full written records of God's Word translated into our languages or is anything missing?

as always, all i have is questions.

is the Most High more than able to give His children their full allotment of daily Bread?
can anyone thwart the will and purposes of God?
can we trust our Faithful God with what He has given us?
would "He who did not spare His own Son" spare His Words to us?

seriously.....can God be trusted?
shouldn't it be i who does so? (i know the answer to that one.)

 

[Jason0047]

Regarding Saul's conversion: KJV, Acts 9.7 and Acts 22.9 contradicts itself.

And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
Acts 9.7

And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. Acts 22.9

Well, atheists play that same very game. They say there are contradictions all over the Bible. This is child's play to resolve within seconds if you were to simply do a Google Search on the verses with the keywords "contradiction explained." after the verses put forth in the search.

Google Keyword Search:

"acts 9:7 acts 22:9 contradiction explained"​

Here are just two article sources that you can check out:

Acts 9:7 and Acts 22:9, Contradicion

https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=6&article=731

In other words, once you read the explanations above (it then becomes obvious that there is no contradiction).

 

[Jason0047]

Not contradictory. One is hearing what sounds like a voice but the other account makes clear they didn't specifically make out the words...just the sound of a voice.

(hearing A voice) vs (hearing THE voice of Him)

Yep, that is what it is saying. I agree.

 

[Utah]

Not contradictory. One is hearing what sounds like a voice but the other account makes clear they didn't specifically make out the words...just the sound of a voice.

(hearing A voice) vs (hearing THE voice of Him)

Oh, I get it now! Thank you for sharing your insight, Brother!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

First, please actually read what I had written instead of just blindly posting so as to give your opinion. For if you read what I had written, then you would have explained the differences between the two.

Second, it is ridiculous to assume that people who believe the King James as being the divinely inspired preserved Word of God for our day are actually bowing down and praying to an actual book as if it was a magical object of power that replaces the Lord our God. I am sure there may be a few radicals that might, but that is not the majority of those who believe in the KJV as being the divinely inspired Word of God. We respect and revere God's Word. We cherish His words. Sort of like how a woman might cherish the words written by her husband within a love letter. That does not mean she is bowing down to the letter, and talking to it, and or that she takes that letter out on dates and stuff (as if it was a person). So please stop making ridiculous statements that we worship the KJV.

lol. sorry, I call a rock a rock. I will call a bible worshiper a bible worshiper.

The KJV was not divinly inspired. It was translated by men. And it has mistakes.

to worship it is adivinely inspired prove you worship it.

 

[Jason0047]

Resolving the Difficult "Supposed Contradictions" in the KJV:

Many have proposed there are contradictions in the King James (KJV).

To the person who lacks faith and or who is unskilled in the Word, they will easily fall prey to believing God's Word has errors within it.

For example: Some believe Matthew 26:17 is a contradiction in the KJV because the disciples were asking Jesus where they might prepare to eat the Passover (the 14th) on the first day of the feast of unleavened bread (the 15th).

However, Matthew 26:17 is not saying this was an actual feast day. Alot of folks get confused on this one. It is saying it is the first day out of the entire Feast celebration (on a sunset to sunset calendar reckoning with it being the beginning calendar day of the14th at sunset). In other words, it is saying it is.... "one day".... out of many; And the first day out of the entire Feast was the "Day of Preparation" (the 14th) (John 19:14, 32, 42) that kicks off the whole event known as the "Passover / Unleavened Bread Feast." For the first day was in getting rid of all leaven from out of one's house (i.e. the 14th). The entire feast celebration was known as the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For it would like saying on the first day on the filming of Exodus the movie, they met in the pre-production area so as to figure out their storyboards for the shoot. In other words, although they would not be filming that particular day, they were working on the film. Which would not be a contradiction to say within our culture or in other cultures.

To see my debate on this point for many many pages, you can check out this thread page here:

ECT KJV vs. Modern Translations (Please use Scripture): - Page 28 - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More

Then there is the supposed contradiction in regards to the 6th hour, too. This also is not a contradiction.

ECT Explaining the Sixth Hour in John 19:14. - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More

Then there is the supposed contradictions of folks who think Jesus misquotes Scripture (Which I have resolved).

ECT Questions for KVJOists - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More

Did Solomon have 40,000 stalls for his horses or 4,000?

ECT The King James Bible: Another Mistranslation - Page 2 - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More

 

[Jason0047]

Resolving the Difficult "Supposed Contradictions" in the KJV:

Many have proposed there are contradictions in the King James (KJV).

To the person who lacks faith and or who is unskilled in the Word, they will easily fall prey to believing God's Word has errors within it.

For example: Some believe Matthew 26:17 is a contradiction in the KJV because the disciples were asking Jesus where they might prepare to eat the Passover (the 14th) on the first day of the feast of unleavened bread (the 15th).

However, Matthew 26:17 is not saying this was an actual feast day. Alot of folks get confused on this one. It is saying it is the first day out of the entire Feast celebration (on a sunset to sunset calendar reckoning with it being the beginning calendar day of the14th at sunset). In other words, it is saying it is.... "one day".... out of many; And the first day out of the entire Feast was the "Day of Preparation" (the 14th) (John 19:14, 32, 42) that kicks off the whole event known as the "Passover / Unleavened Bread Feast." For the first day was in getting rid of all leaven from out of one's house (i.e. the 14th). The entire feast celebration was known as the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For it would like saying on the first day on the filming of Exodus the movie, they met in the pre-production area so as to figure out their storyboards for the shoot. In other words, although they would not be filming that particular day, they were working on the film. Which would not be a contradiction to say within our culture or in other cultures.

To see my debate on this point for many many pages, you can check out this thread page here:

ECT KJV vs. Modern Translations (Please use Scripture): - Page 28 - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More

Then there is the supposed contradiction in regards to the 6th hour, too. This also is not a contradiction.

ECT Explaining the Sixth Hour in John 19:14. - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More

Then there is the supposed contradictions of folks who think Jesus misquotes Scripture (Which I have resolved).

ECT Questions for KVJOists - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More

Did Solomon have 40,000 stalls for his horses or 4,000?

ECT The King James Bible: Another Mistranslation - Page 2 - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More

Sorry, the third link did not work (or take you to the intended place). Here is the proper link for the third one.

ECT Questions for KVJOists - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More

 

[Jason0047]

lol. sorry, I call a rock a rock. I will call a bible worshiper a bible worshiper.

The KJV was not divinly inspired. It was translated by men. And it has mistakes.

to worship it is adivinely inspired prove you worship it.

Uh, you are not making any sense. Just because the Bible is Holy or divine in origin doesn't mean we worship it.

Besides, my Bible says it is the "Holy BIble." What does yours say?

I mean, think about it; The Ark was a holy object but yet that does not mean the Israelites (who had their hearts right with God) had chosen to worship it. Moses stood on holy ground and was told to take his sandels or shoes off. It doesn't mean he started to worship the ground.

 

[psychomom]

may i suggest we return to the topic begun?

 

[Jason0047]

We are determining which books (i.e. words) should be in the Bible or not. The Modern Translations are books that add and or eliminate from God's Word ever so subtley. They are added books that came later. Some like the Quran are more blatant in it's errors and corruptions. So obviously we would not accept that book. However, if the Modern Translations do in fact corrupt or poison God's Word (even in a small way), is it okay that we just blindly accept those Modern Versions in everything that they say when they could have poisonous statements within them? For example: Is drinking a lot of rat poison versus drinking a tiny little bit of rat poison in a person's drink all that different?

 

[tourist]

In Revelation John was about to write what the 7 thunders were saying but was told not to do so. This will be revealed in the future but it is not for us to know at this time. Also, it is not known what Jesus was writing on the ground with His finger. To answer your question, based on these instances, we do not yet have the complete written record of the Word of God.

Regardless, the way to salvation is clear and there are sufficient examples given to lead spiritual, productive lives in our humble service to the Lord.

 

[Alextor]

I do wonder why the books of Jasher and Enoch are not included and the books of Mark and Luke are. Mark and Luke?.. think about it.

 

[Jason0047]

lol. sorry, I call a rock a rock. I will call a bible worshiper a bible worshiper.

The KJV was not divinly inspired. It was translated by men. And it has mistakes.

to worship it is adivinely inspired prove you worship it.

Seriously, I don't worship the KJV. I told you I don't worship it. Please take a step back and listen to yourself, my friend. When you repeatedly keep making these kinds of mindless and hateful statements, you sound like you are a part of an angry mob or something (That won't listen to anyone).

 

[Jason0047]

In Revelation John was about to write what the 7 thunders were saying but was told not to do so. This will be revealed in the future but it is not for us to know at this time. Also, it is not known what Jesus was writing on the ground with His finger. To answer your question, based on these instances, we do not yet have the complete written record of the Word of God.

Regardless, the way to salvation is clear and there are sufficient examples given to lead spiritual, productive lives in our humble service to the Lord.

Agreed. There are things that God has spoken and written down that we do not have today. But I believe the revelation known as the Bible is all we need for today. There are no more words or prophetic visions or sayings with new communications or no new books that should be added to God's Word (i.e. the Bible). We have the Sword of the Spirit that is intended for us today as a body of believers.

 

[tribesman]

We have to think of it in terms of like this. What message does God intend to leave for his body of believers today? Clearly it is not a matter of God not being powerful enough here to preserve His Word. We know God had made Jeremiah re-write a scroll that was burned by another who did not like it. So the writings of those different books are clearly left out of God's message for us today for a good reason. They were left out because it was a message for certain people (And not all people). For example: God's command or message to Noah and his family to build an Ark applied to him (and his family) and they do not apply to us today. In other words, different messages are for different people through time. No Word of God is ever truly missing, because the Scriptures say that His Word is forever settled in Heaven. This would be both the Spoken Word of God and the Written Word of God. Everything God has said (and had written down) is settled in Heaven. Also, the revelation known as the Bible is perfect and complete. There is no other book like it on the Earth. No other book has been more accurate scientfically, and historically than the Bible. We are also not to add any words to God's Word because Revelation says we are not to add any words to his book (Which is followed by a curse if one were to do so). Yes, I am aware that Revelation is speaking of the book itself, but I also believe it is a double fulfillment type passage that is also talking about the whole of the Bible, too.

This is a good answer, Jason. It gives reason why we are to be at peace with the existing bibles available to us. However, just one thing, though it actually enters another topic it is still closely related, I am wary about the line of argument or rhetoric that says "What message does God intend to leave for his body of believers today?" (with big emphasis on "today"). Dispensationalists, for example, like to chop up the Bible message into dispensations, leaving us (except we are jewish) basically only with the epistles of Paul. Creating a false dichotomy, which isn't there.

Others won't go as far as the dispensationalists but they will make a great gulf between OT and NT and say "well, that was in the OT, now we are in the NT" etc. The result is plain to see, while there is no denial that the whole Bible is the Word of God in written form, the strong emphasis of either historical or evolutionary division of it makes a big part of the Bible less relevant to believers "today". The starting point must always be the entirety of all scripture as basis for all belief and practice for all believers, stressing the continuation of the biblical message rather than trying to find divisions within it. Having all scripture in equal value is to follow the formal principle. As Paul said of the times of old:

1Cor.10

[11] Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.