When does the rapture occur?

PlainWord · Mar 17, 2015

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— [SUP]7 [/SUP]saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

Where is this angel? How about Heaven?
Who is the angel preaching to? Those on earth?

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, [SUP]10 [/SUP]he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God,

Is the angel flying around in heaven where nobody on earth can hear the warning? Does that make any sense?

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

Was the ark seen or not?

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

What does John see? Sure seems like he sees new Jerusalem coming down from heaven (above) to earth. So, is heaven above visible to those on earth when this happens or does it just appear out of thin air?

What does Paul have to say?

[SUP]7 [/SUP]and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,

Oh, Jesus is revealed from heaven. Hmm. What does that mean? Doesn't say He is returning yet, just that he will be revealed. So think again. Does Christ just return in a split second without warning or is He seen in heaven before He returns?

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

Obviously people have time to realize what is coming and they have time to go to caves and the mountains to hide. They have time to cry out and time to realize that the Wrath of the Lamb is upon them.

So which one of you know-it-all critics wants to explain how it is possible for people to know Christ is about to come if He comes in a split second without warning??

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

Elin said:

Sorry Daniel has nothing to do with O.T. church
but gentile kingdoms and kings ruling over

there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets,
and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar
what shall be in the (latter days)” (Daniel 2:28)

8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord,
what shall be the end of these things?

9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are
(closed up and sealed till the time of the end).

4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book,
even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

1And in the (second year) of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, ...

Thou(Nebuchadnezzar) art this head(ruler) of gold (Babylonian_Empire)

gentile kings on earth, over world kingdoms, nothing about a church.

25That they shall drive (thee) from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of
the field, (till thou know) that the (most High ruleth) in (the kingdom of men),and
(giveth it to whomsoever he will).

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

Elin said:

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever

this has not happened yet, Christ does not rule my country, look out side,

the devil is still god of this world, of this evil generation we are in.

you are a heir , joint with Christ, we are not changed yet

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

Elin said:

no you forgot clear N.T teaching of verses of 1000 year rule with rod of iron.

we are not yet ruled by force, we are willing to come to Jesus now, but later....

ChristInUs · Mar 17, 2015

I can tell you exactly when the rapture will happen. I have studied and sought this thing through. I have read many text on the subject and prayed about it for years. This is when exactly it will happen. The Father looks at the son and say's go get em. That is when it will happen. Period.

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

Abiding said:

yes Jesus is ruling in our hearts now,

we are begotten , not yet born into the kingdom.

Jesus did not smash this worlds rulers over the earth.

do you think this current evil world is ruled by Christ his way.

the bible says he will return and take by force, or no man would be alive.

ChristInUs · Mar 17, 2015

The devil can only do what God allows and it is part of His plan. The bible or word of God say's that in the last day's man will not endure sound doctrine and that is what is happening now just as He said.

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

Elin said:

no youre view of no physical rule

is based in uncertain private interpretation of unfulfilled symbolic prophetic riddles,

and the interpretation disagrees with the clear and certain word of God.

Jesus' return will be a literal, physical return to set up His kingdom.

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

Elin said:

please do, i will have lots of input, thanks

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

RickyZ said:

I am looking forward to kicking some butt then, in 1000 rule, with Christ as kings and priests,

everyone else has to wait till later, after the hard work is allready done

ChristInUs · Mar 17, 2015

Christ will rule from the throne in Israel and with a rod of iron. This is after the trib and those that live through it will be given 100 years to repent and if not the will die. It is in Isaiah, I can't call it off hand but I can look it up if need be. Then after the thousand years Satan will be released and will draw nations to his side to fight against Jesus. That is when he will be thrown in the lake of fire. Then after that we are not told, we will just have to wait and see.

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

Abiding said:

he will be reigning from the [city] world headquaters,

for a 1000 years, untill 1000 years is over.

But when he saith all things are put under him,

it is manifest that [he is excepted], which did put all things under him.

if the church ,Christs rule was 1000 like some claim, church is over, go home, nothing to see.

no he puts them under his feet soon, getting closier by the day

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

Elin said:

yes Babylonia, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome was the 4 world ruling kingdoms of man,

rome was hit with a deadly wound and apeared dead, after rome 10 horns grew from the region,

what do you do with there 10 horns after rome ended? grew up out of

The second coming is in actuality a continuation of the first coming. From Christ's own words...

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book,
he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;
he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives,
and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them t
hat were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

Now why did He stop reading just there, close the book, and sit down?

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
And here is where He stopped reading in mid sentence. Now the passage He quoted continues...

and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, a
nd they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.

Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall
be your plowmen and your vinedressers.

Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.

He came the first time to complete Isa 61:1-2 but not all of verse 2.

When He returns, He will complete verse 2 and forward through verse 7.

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

Feast of Trumpets

“And the Lord spake saying,In the seventh month,in the first day of the month,shall ye have a sabbath,a memorial [not a shadow] of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation. Ye shall do no servile work therein …”Leviticus 23:23-25).

Here is pictured to us that next blessed event in God’s redemptive plan, when Christ shall come again, in clouds, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17). It shall be “at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,and we shall [all] be changed” (1 Corinthians 15:52).

Unless Christ returns to resurrect the dead, we would never gain eternal life—if there is no resurrection
“[t]hen they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished” (verse 18).

Christ directly intervenes in world affairs at the seventh, or the last, trump (Revelation 11:15-19).
A trumpet is a symbol of war. He comes in a time of worldwide war—when the nations are angry!

As soon as the work of gathering in the firstfruits (pictured by Pentecost) is completed at the end of this present age, then Christ will begin to set up again the tabernacle of David (Acts 15:16)—to set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people (Isaiah 11:11)—to search out and to find His lost sheep that the ministers of the churches have failed to search out and save during this period (Ezekiel 34:1-14).

“And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they [Israel] shall come which were ready to perish … and shall worship the [Eternal] in the holy mount at Jerusalem” (Isaiah 27:13).

When will Israel be regathered? At the sound of the trump— at the Second Coming of Christ. Because the churches have forgotten the festival of Trumpets, many think that the return of a part of the Jews to the Holy Land and the setting up of a nation called Israel now is the fulfillment of this prophecy!

And perhaps the glorious Second Coming shall occur,in whatever year it may be, on this very day of the Feast ofTrumpets—who knows? While we cannot say for certain, yet cannot we see this possibility?

The crucifixion was upon the Passover day—the very day! The Holy Spirit came, beginning the selecting of the firstfruits of salvation, on the very day of Pentecost. Had not those 120 disciples been observing this annual sabbath—had they not been assembled there in holy convocation— could they have received that blessing of the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit?

Repeatedly Jesus warned us to watch, regarding His Second Coming! Could it be possible that, unless we are observing the Feast of Trumpets, as the first-century Church of God was observing Pentecost, that we shall not be ready, or caught up to meet Him?

The festival of Trumpets is a day of rejoicing—and, as the weekly Sabbath, holy unto the Lord (Nehemiah 8:2, 9-12).

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

Elin said:

true

false, he did not take over world kingdoms of men yet.
forgeting what grew out of the dead roman empire, 10 horns followed.

so Jesus took over rome, i though they killed him?
he came as suffering lamb first trip, will return like a roaring lion second trip.

no N.T. and old testement say there will be physical 1000 year rule over the whole earth,
not just a few hearts given now to him, the future physical earthly kingdom will be very climatic

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.

yet again this has not happened yet

God is a family, at his return we will be born into it

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

Elin said:

sorry but Your interpretation of prophetic riddles
does not agree with Daniel's interpretation of prophetic riddle

Christ has not taken over the kingdoms of men, is a man ruling youre town and country?

prove-all · Mar 17, 2015

Elin said:

2 resurrections of the same person really, that is not in the bible

prove-all · Mar 18, 2015

Elin said:

really , no wedding day, that is funny, i am all dressed up ready to go

the wedding it is not a figure of speech it is a physical thing, still to come.

The NT presents us as begotten not yet born, heirs to the kingdom to come,

so youre private interpatation of Da. in old testment says no earthly 1000 years rule,
and you throw out N.T. revelations about his comming kingdom ?

Actually, it is not pleasant to me also to see the certain and unequivocal teaching of the NT and old
thrown out for the sake of private, uncertain, novel and sensational interpretations
of prophetic riddles.

quickened77 · Mar 19, 2015

prove-all said:

sure it is John 5

[24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
[25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
[26] For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
[27] And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

[28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

konroh · Mar 27, 2015

John sees the general idea of the judgment resurrection. He lays it out more distinctly in Revelation 20.

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