Is Jesus Christ YHWH God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob??

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wisdomseeker said:
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.


But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,
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You do realize there is a difference between SPIRIT and flesh? GOD is SPIRIT. The right side of POWER is GLORY. GLORY is the fashion by which SPIRIT GOD did HIS work which is JESUS the flesh of the SPIRIT GOD. there is more than just reading the Bible there is seeking GOD until GOD gives you your answers. And not by just accepting something because my dad believed and his dad so I believe also. JESUS said, Be ye seperate. This is for life in GOD vs life in the world as well as doctrines and false beliefs. Trinity is a lie and it is due to the fact that the simplest of minds can easily grasp it. Go to GOD and trully seek for GODS ways are much higher than our own.
 
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joint-heir said:
You do realize there is a difference between SPIRIT and flesh? GOD is SPIRIT. The right side of POWER is GLORY. GLORY is the fashion by which SPIRIT GOD did HIS work which is JESUS the flesh of the SPIRIT GOD. there is more than just reading the Bible there is seeking GOD until GOD gives you your answers. And not by just accepting something because my dad believed and his dad so I believe also. JESUS said, Be ye seperate. This is for life in GOD vs life in the world as well as doctrines and false beliefs. Trinity is a lie and it is due to the fact that the simplest of minds can easily grasp it. Go to GOD and trully seek for GODS ways are much higher than our own.
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Dude, for 400 years, intellects greater than yours nutted this out.
 
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greatkraw said:
Dude, for 400 years, intellects greater than yours nutted this out.
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Yes and for 400 years look at all those who have been believing a lie and living not in the complete victory and TRUTH of GOD. It is a complete shame.
 
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joint-heir said:
Yes and for 400 years look at all those who have been believing a lie and living not in the complete victory and TRUTH of GOD. It is a complete shame.
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so what church do you attend?
 
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greatkraw said:
so what church do you attend?
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I am the pastor of the "New Beginning Church" in Arizona. We teach and preach and bring in todays best Biblical Scholars in todays evangelical movement. We are Charismatic and believe every word written in the KJV Bible to be complete TRUTH and fact.
 
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joint-heir said:
I am the pastor of the "New Beginning Church" in Arizona. We teach and preach and bring in todays best Biblical Scholars in todays evangelical movement. We are Charismatic and believe every word written in the KJV Bible to be complete TRUTH and fact.
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so what is your position? do you teach the oneness of God or what?

if you do not teach the trinity then what do you teach?
 
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greatkraw said:
so what is your position? do you teach the oneness of God or what?

if you do not teach the trinity then what do you teach?
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I am the Associate Pastor and yes i teach the ONENESS of GOD in 3 Manefestations. I also travel for many churches invite me to come and share with them my testimony and the doctrine by which I feel GOD has given me.
 
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I am the Associate Pastor and yes i teach the ONENESS of GOD in 3 Manefestations. I also travel for many churches invite me to come and share with them my testimony and the doctrine by which I feel GOD has given me.
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you mean modalism?

which bits of the Nicene creed do you disagree with?

also, is God schitsophrenic??

see psalm 2:)
 
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Graybeard said:
yes, actually she did, she was speaking to me, why would I get "my" cults mixed up because that is what she said!
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JWs believe that they will become gods when they are rewarded with eternal life. And some will get to become greater gods, while others will be lessor gods.

Regardless, Jesus is God, and yet He is the Son, and He is seated at the right hand of the Father, and yet He says that if we have seen Him, we have seen the Father. Even more, if we are in Him, we are one with Him, even as He is one with the Father, the Father in Him, and He in us, and us all one in Him. So, go figure. And this is not even thinking about the Spirit Who is the Spirit of Christ, Who comes from the Father, and yet who gives us the mind of Christ and the love of God.

Maybe our brains are too small and limited to understand the way these things truly are, so I just say that the Father and the Son and the Spirit are one.

In his peace,
 
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greatkraw said:
you mean modalism?

which bits of the Nicene creed do you disagree with?

also, is God schitsophrenic??

see psalm 2:)
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Funny!!! I believe GOD whos is SPIRIT is the GOD capable of all things by which allows HIM to be OMNIPOTENT-OMNISCIENT-OMNIPRESENCE. TOO label GOD with our ideas is to make GOD limited. Who are we to make such claims??? JESUS is the flesh of the ALMIGHTY SPIRIT GOD.
 
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joint-heir said:
Funny!!! I believe GOD whos is SPIRIT is the GOD capable of all things by which allows HIM to be OMNIPOTENT-OMNISCIENT-OMNIPRESENCE. TOO label GOD with our ideas is to make GOD limited. Who are we to make such claims??? JESUS is the flesh of the ALMIGHTY SPIRIT GOD.
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in psalm 2 does God talk to himself?
 
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greatkraw said:
in psalm 2 does God talk to himself?
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This is GOD interpreting what HE is going to do in the future. From answer to sin to coming for bride to coming in POWER to kingdom on earth. This is GOD speaking to David for David wrote down what GOD showed him.
 
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greatkraw said:
Dude, for 400 years, intellects greater than yours nutted this out.
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More like 2000. Modalism is man's attempt to bring the trinity down to our understanding. I think that's where he is coming from.
 
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Graybeard said:
KJV 1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
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Jeremiah 7:4
Trust ye NOT in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are THESE.
 
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greatkraw said:
in psalm 2 does God talk to himself?
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God has to differentiate between flesh and Spirit, God became a man, that man is Jesus Christ, a man of flesh and blood, the only begotten of God, He is the Son of the Living God! Who can deny God His humanity? Without Jesus Christ there is no salvation, God needed to become a man, born of woman, and He died, who died? the man - Jesus Christ, but then resurrected. God is One, He is Saviour, there is only one, and He has no peers, there is no one equal to Him, Jesus Christ is the exact representation of God in physical reality, this is called the Son, we cannot see Him as the Father, because we are flesh and blood and He the Father is an invisble Spirit, but the Spirit through the Word manifested in the physical plane is Jesus Christ the Son, and He is the same as God, He says He is the same, He and the Father are one, and they are witness to each other, of course He cannot deny what is His.

Now I cannot see how anybody could take this to mean there are 3 Gods, that are individuals but all the same, this is illogical, either God is a solitary indivisible One, or He is a multiple, can only be one or more than one. It is not possible for a Son to marry the Father's bride under God's own law, therefore we must declare that the Son is the same as the Father, and there is no Trinity, there is only one God.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
God has to differentiate between flesh and Spirit, God became a man, that man is Jesus Christ, a man of flesh and blood, the only begotten of God, He is the Son of the Living God! Who can deny God His humanity? Without Jesus Christ there is no salvation, God needed to become a man, born of woman, and He died, who died? the man - Jesus Christ, but then resurrected. God is One, He is Saviour, there is only one, and He has no peers, there is no one equal to Him, Jesus Christ is the exact representation of God in physical reality, this is called the Son, we cannot see Him as the Father, because we are flesh and blood and He the Father is an invisble Spirit, but the Spirit through the Word manifested in the physical plane is Jesus Christ the Son, and He is the same as God, He says He is the same, He and the Father are one, and they are witness to each other, of course He cannot deny what is His.

Now I cannot see how anybody could take this to mean there are 3 Gods, that are individuals but all the same, this is illogical, either God is a solitary indivisible One, or He is a multiple, can only be one or more than one. It is not possible for a Son to marry the Father's bride under God's own law, therefore we must declare that the Son is the same as the Father, and there is no Trinity, there is only one God.
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When Jesus prayed, was He talking to Himself?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
God has to differentiate between flesh and Spirit, God became a man, that man is Jesus Christ, a man of flesh and blood, the only begotten of God, He is the Son of the Living God! Who can deny God His humanity? Without Jesus Christ there is no salvation, God needed to become a man, born of woman, and He died, who died? the man - Jesus Christ, but then resurrected. God is One, He is Saviour, there is only one, and He has no peers, there is no one equal to Him, Jesus Christ is the exact representation of God in physical reality, this is called the Son, we cannot see Him as the Father, because we are flesh and blood and He the Father is an invisble Spirit, but the Spirit through the Word manifested in the physical plane is Jesus Christ the Son, and He is the same as God, He says He is the same, He and the Father are one, and they are witness to each other, of course He cannot deny what is His.

Now I cannot see how anybody could take this to mean there are 3 Gods, that are individuals but all the same, this is illogical, either God is a solitary indivisible One, or He is a multiple, can only be one or more than one. It is not possible for a Son to marry the Father's bride under God's own law, therefore we must declare that the Son is the same as the Father, and there is no Trinity, there is only one God.
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John 8
17 It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”
19 Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?”
Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.”
20 These words Jesus spoke in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.

Jesus considers Himself a separate Person than the Father otherwise this would be completely meaningless to say. If Jesus didn't see Himself as the same Person as the Father why should we?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
God has to differentiate between flesh and Spirit, God became a man, that man is Jesus Christ, a man of flesh and blood, the only begotten of God, He is the Son of the Living God! Who can deny God His humanity? Without Jesus Christ there is no salvation, God needed to become a man, born of woman, and He died, who died? the man - Jesus Christ, but then resurrected. God is One, He is Saviour, there is only one, and He has no peers, there is no one equal to Him, Jesus Christ is the exact representation of God in physical reality, this is called the Son, we cannot see Him as the Father, because we are flesh and blood and He the Father is an invisble Spirit, but the Spirit through the Word manifested in the physical plane is Jesus Christ the Son, and He is the same as God, He says He is the same, He and the Father are one, and they are witness to each other, of course He cannot deny what is His.

Now I cannot see how anybody could take this to mean there are 3 Gods, that are individuals but all the same, this is illogical, either God is a solitary indivisible One, or He is a multiple, can only be one or more than one. It is not possible for a Son to marry the Father's bride under God's own law, therefore we must declare that the Son is the same as the Father, and there is no Trinity, there is only one God.
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AMEN!!!

Absolutely well written.

AMEN!!!
 
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Definition_Christ said:
John 8
17 It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”
19 Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?”
Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.”
20 These words Jesus spoke in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.

Jesus considers Himself a separate Person than the Father otherwise this would be completely meaningless to say. If Jesus didn't see Himself as the same Person as the Father why should we?
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AMEN
AMEN
PRAISE GOD
 
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Definition_Christ said:
John 8
17 It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”
19 Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?”
Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.”
20 These words Jesus spoke in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.

Jesus considers Himself a separate Person than the Father otherwise this would be completely meaningless to say. If Jesus didn't see Himself as the same Person as the Father why should we?
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You must consider to whom Jesus is speaking and in this case it is to the Pharisees, whom Jesus declared do not know Him, and Jesus did not consider the Pharisees to be His sheep, God did not know them, they are not His, they are of the Devil, their father is the Devil, so they cannot know the Father neither recognize the father as the son in physical reality.
 
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