Is Jesus Christ YHWH God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob??

[joint-heir]

Yeah, when you do something in the name of somebody else that is using their authority. He is saying baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.. Recognize they are separate persons but they are ONE in authority and power.

Devarim 6:4 Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.

Deuteronomy 6:4 HEAR, O ISRAEL: THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE.

ONE - ECHAD.. Echad is not Yachid which means ONE in a singular sense. Echad means one - plurality but in unity.

God is ECHAD, The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all in perfect unity with perfect authority and power.

MATT 28:19 that name is JESUS meaning JESUS is the FATHER-SON-HOLY GHOST but for clarity in 1 John 5:7 you see this is speaking specificly about JESUS calling HIM FATHER-WORD-HOLY GHOST. Why no mention of SON here because JESUS is only son by flesh meaning sinful man but since JESUS maintained SPIRIT GOD within HIM JESUS becomes the complete GODHEAD. FOR the physical body of JESUS is just a coverring of the invisible SPIRIT GOD (COLOSSIANS 1:15) which equates inside the flesh of JESUS was the FATHER GOD SPIRIT which is also the HOLY GHOST.

 

[Definition_Christ]

Why make it Three? God can unify the entire universe to His will, to act with Him as He wishes, is He limited to three, as logic declares eventually He must be singular and not divisible as one, however the multiplicity of His will and desire would be plural, in fact infinite eternally.

Why make it three?

We have three separate persons claiming to be God. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are three persons but one being.

 

[Definition_Christ]

MATT 28:19 that name is JESUS meaning JESUS is the FATHER-SON-HOLY GHOST but for clarity in 1 John 5:7 you see this is speaking specificly about JESUS calling HIM FATHER-WORD-HOLY GHOST. Why no mention of SON here because JESUS is only son by flesh meaning sinful man but since JESUS maintained SPIRIT GOD within HIM JESUS becomes the complete GODHEAD. FOR the physical body of JESUS is just a coverring of the invisible SPIRIT GOD (COLOSSIANS 1:15) which equates inside the flesh of JESUS was the FATHER GOD SPIRIT which is also the HOLY GHOST.

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

 

[Graybeard]

MATT 28:19 that name is JESUS meaning JESUS is the FATHER-SON-HOLY GHOST but for clarity in 1 John 5:7 you see this is speaking specificly about JESUS calling HIM FATHER-WORD-HOLY GHOST. Why no mention of SON here because JESUS is only son by flesh meaning sinful man but since JESUS maintained SPIRIT GOD within HIM JESUS becomes the complete GODHEAD. FOR the physical body of JESUS is just a coverring of the invisible SPIRIT GOD (COLOSSIANS 1:15) which equates inside the flesh of JESUS was the FATHER GOD SPIRIT which is also the HOLY GHOST.

but The Holy Spirit only came onto Jesus after He was baptized with water....

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

No and once again missing the point. Jesus was telling the pharisees that in the law, it is written that something is only true if two or more PERSONS bear witness of it. He went onto say "I bear witness of Myself (ONE PERSON), and the Father bears witness of me (PERSON number 2).

No, there are not individual existing God Person 1 and individually existing Goid Person 2, there is God as eternal Spirit the Father who was manifest in flesh and blood as the Son.

 

[Definition_Christ]

No, there are not individual existing God Person 1 and individually existing Goid Person 2, there is God as eternal Spirit the Father who was manifest in flesh and blood as the Son.

Yes they are individually existing, as I just posted..

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Well your not your own Father. So you cannot do it.

But you are saying Jesus distinguished His spirit and His flesh as two witnesses. Is He not the perfect interpreter of the Law? Do you see the twisting that must be done when you enspouse modelism?

 

[charisenexcelcis]

MATT 28:19 that name is JESUS meaning JESUS is the FATHER-SON-HOLY GHOST but for clarity in 1 John 5:7 you see this is speaking specificly about JESUS calling HIM FATHER-WORD-HOLY GHOST. Why no mention of SON here because JESUS is only son by flesh meaning sinful man but since JESUS maintained SPIRIT GOD within HIM JESUS becomes the complete GODHEAD. FOR the physical body of JESUS is just a coverring of the invisible SPIRIT GOD (COLOSSIANS 1:15) which equates inside the flesh of JESUS was the FATHER GOD SPIRIT which is also the HOLY GHOST.

Is then the godhead incomplete until the incarnation? Jesus is only son by flesh meaning sinful man? Is that a denial of the virgin birth?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Why make it three?

We have three separate persons claiming to be God. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are three persons but one being.

If God can be divided into three then He is not one, that just logic. He is either one or He is not, he is more than one.

Now the Holy Spirit is said to be the Father of the Son, because the Son was begotten of woman, God the Father was married to the children of Israel, now only the Father can remarry Her, so the Son must be the Father.

 

[joint-heir]

Yes they are individually existing, as I just posted..

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

JOHN 8:58 PHILP ASKED JESUS HOW DO WE KNOW THE FATHER AND JESUS SAID HAVE I BEEN AWAY SOO LONG YOU DO NOT KNOW ME???


JESUS IS CLAIMING HE IS FATHER HERE

 

[Definition_Christ]

If God can be divided into three then He is not one, that just logic. He is either one or He is not, he is more than one.

Now the Holy Spirit is said to be the Father of the Son, because the Son was begotten of woman, God the Father was married to the children of Israel, now only the Father can remarry Her, so the Son must be the Father.

God is one being, yes. No one is claiming God is two separate beings. God is however 3 separate Persons.. God is ECHAD just as the Shema says..


Speaking of logic, "now only the Father can remarry Her, so the Son must be the Father"??? That's your idea of logic. I think that's a very carnal and basic level of interpreting Scripture.

Every modern day Jew has been taught by his rabbi that the trinity is a goyisha (gentile) teaching. Let us investigate.

• Bereshis (Genesis) 19:24. Most English translations substitute Jehovah for LORD. If we read the verse correctly, it would read:
Then Jehovah rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah from Jehovah out of the heavens.
“Jehovah rained from Jehovah”? How many Jehovahs do we have? But my rabbi taught me that “echad” in the Shema means “one”! Actually “echad” is a united one.
“Yachid” means one.

• Isaiah 44:6 Again reading “Jehovah” as in the original Hebrew rather than substituting it with “LORD”.
Thus says Jehovah, the King of Israel, and His Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts, “I am the First and I am the Last; besides Me there is no God.”
Why do we have two Jehovahs?

http://www.israelimission.org/

 

[Definition_Christ]

JOHN 8:58 PHILP ASKED JESUS HOW DO WE KNOW THE FATHER AND JESUS SAID HAVE I BEEN AWAY SOO LONG YOU DO NOT KNOW ME???


JESUS IS CLAIMING HE IS FATHER HERE

Maybe you are quoting the wrong Scripture? John 8:58 isn't suggesting this at all.. It is however saying Jesus is Jehovah.. Which I agree with.

 

[joint-heir]

Is then the godhead incomplete until the incarnation? Jesus is only son by flesh meaning sinful man? Is that a denial of the virgin birth?

COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 SAYS JESUS is the image of the invisible GOD and CREATOR of ALL things FOR HIM BY HIM.

SO with this JESUS was and has been already the GODHEAD for JESUS alone is ALPHA and OMEGA and none of the other 2 can make this claim only JESUS...

Why cant they make this claim????

BECAUSE
JESUS is the FATHER and HOLY GHOST

 

[joint-heir]

Maybe you are quoting the wrong Scripture? John 8:58 isn't suggesting this at all.. It is however saying Jesus is Jehovah.. Which I agree with.

sorry was thinking of JOHN 14:8-9 sorry my bad

 

[Definition_Christ]

sorry was thinking of JOHN 14:8-9 sorry my bad

Okay you mean..

John 14
7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

Sorry.. I don't see where Jesus is claiming He is the Father?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Yes they are individually existing, as I just posted..

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Yes, this is a prayer, you see Christ being before all things must initiate all, no man could pray to God in this manner until God prays in this manner, as a man, just as He had to die as a man, but He resurrected Himself, can you or I resurrect ourselves? No, see God is before all things, He enacts, He speaks, and the template is set, done, it was neccessary for God to become a man, He also says "I am glorified in them' does that mean 'them' is God as well? No, it's God speaking reality into existence. It's like how Melchisedek and the Angel of God and the Rock, they are all Christ, does that mean there are 3 Christs or 4? Or is it the same Christ with different names whom has occurred at different times and spoken in different ways, and appeared in differnt ways, manifested; Hebrews 1:1-3

 

[joint-heir]

Okay you mean..

John 14
7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.





Sorry.. I don't see where Jesus is claiming He is the Father?

CLEARLY shows SPIRIT GOD in FLESH JESUS and vice versa to me which makes JESUS the FATHER.

 

[Definition_Christ]

Yes, this is a prayer, you see Christ being before all things must initiate all, no man could pray to God in this manner until God prays in this manner, as a man, just as He had to die as a man, but He resurrected Himself, can you or I resurrect ourselves? No, see God is before all things, He enacts, He speaks, and the template is set, done, it was neccessary for God to become a man, He also says "I am glorified in them' does that mean 'them' is God as well? No, it's God speaking reality into existence. It's like how Melchisedek and the Angel of God and the Rock, they are all Christ, does that mean there are 3 Christs or 4? Or is it the same Christ with different names whom has occurred at different times and spoken in different ways, and appeared in differnt ways, manifested; Hebrews 1:1-3

I don't understand why you can't just see something that is so simple;

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Do you see what Jesus is saying here? Glorify Me TOGETHER with Yourself. One person and another person being united. With the glory which I HAD WITH YOU before the world was. Jesus is claiming He existed before the world was and shared glory with the Father before the world was.

 

[Definition_Christ]

CLEARLY shows SPIRIT GOD in FLESH JESUS and vice versa to me which makes JESUS the FATHER.

The Holy Spirit dwells in you, the Spirit of God.. Does that make you the Father too?

 

[Graybeard]

COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 SAYS JESUS is the image of the invisible GOD and CREATOR of ALL things FOR HIM BY HIM.

SO with this JESUS was and has been already the GODHEAD for JESUS alone is ALPHA and OMEGA and none of the other 2 can make this claim only JESUS...

Why cant they make this claim????

BECAUSE
JESUS is the FATHER and HOLY GHOST

as I said before..Jesus only received the Holy Spirit after He was baptized with water.