Christains never use the real power of their argument

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Thinkerwithfacts

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I see Christians being made fun of on Atheist talk shows when they call in . Looking like fools or idiots and being slain with simple opening questions. It is embarrassing and prevents young people from even considering Christian beliefs.
You cannot use the Bible to defend or support Christianity. That's like a person accused of a crime, having another person who supposedly helped you commit the crime, validate your alibi. Christianity is going to lose an entire generation because of this idiocy. There is plenty of non-Biblical factual evidence to show that Jesus lived, had huge influence and the Romans and Jews were worried enough to have him tracked and eventually killed. Also, most Atheist are not really Atheist, they are agnostic, which is a far cry from actual Atheism. They are just think the average Christian is so stupid they jump to the extreme position. Also, topics of Heaven and Hell can be really tough, i would stick to the unlikelihood of "no creator" and how science is showing that even the big bang had a start. Things just did not always exist. There is no evidence that anything that is in existence, always existed. That means that as outlandish as Genesis might sound to the non-believer it has more scientific merit than "it just is"! If the universe operates by certain laws then who or what or how was the law created? Also, it seems that when people are dying, regardless of a lifetime of disbelief they seem to starting thinking about God. Why is that? The fundamental idea of God seems to live in everyone's head. Also, most Atheist seem to be driven to their belief by an event where they felt let down by God. How could you be so let down and so against something you believe in your heart never existed? That means that most of them really deep down do believe, they have just emotionally covered up that part of their Psyche (or heart if you prefer). And lastly, why Jesus? Why? How could this religion still be going on? He is the only "messiah type" that any religion has. Everyone else just claimed to be a prophet, or what ever Buddha is, not "the" liaison to God and not a God-man figure to do Gods work on earth. Its the least believable of all the religions (excluding Mormonism and Scientology) yet it still exist today in pretty much the same form as it did in the beginning. To dismiss Jesus as a myth is historically idiotic, to dismiss God as as 100% myth is scientifically unsound (according to most scientist in the last 5 years including Stephen Hawking who recently is using a God concept in his Theory of everything message. So Christians ...it maybe time to update your stand and smarten up if you want to do what you think God wants you to do!
 
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one who did and does thwart even the bad lawyers was instead of rewarded arrested and charged with trumped up crimes to get him out of the way.

pastors in the usa, in the usa, in the usa, have been arrested when their enemies could not overcome their arguments (or just didn't want to),

to silence them.....

sometimes, like on this forum, the detractors and enemies of christ have a lot more volume/ (numbers of people who are enemies of truth FAR outnumber those who love TRUTH).... so
posting the scripture as the simple truth (which dozens of members have done for weeks or months or years) is often just overwhelmed with idiot posts that have no intention of learning anything,

or they just simply cannot learn anything, being dead in sins and trespassed and deceived by demons and heresies OR other worldly // carnal// hidden agendas (including foreign governments and the usa government which doesn't want certain truths to be known as fact).... (and including certain 'church governments' likewise which don't want the truth of scripture to be known because then the 'church leaders' lose their power..... ).....
 

AngelFrog

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Someone who is not even able to start a thread with knowledge of basic grammar and sentence structure, like paragraphs, isn't really to be taken seriously here.


I see Christians being made fun of on Atheist talk shows when they call in . Looking like fools or idiots and being slain with simple opening questions. It is embarrassing and prevents young people from even considering Christian beliefs.
You cannot use the Bible to defend or support Christianity. That's like a person accused of a crime, having another person who supposedly helped you commit the crime, validate your alibi. Christianity is going to lose an entire generation because of this idiocy. There is plenty of non-Biblical factual evidence to show that Jesus lived, had huge influence and the Romans and Jews were worried enough to have him tracked and eventually killed. Also, most Atheist are not really Atheist, they are agnostic, which is a far cry from actual Atheism. They are just think the average Christian is so stupid they jump to the extreme position. Also, topics of Heaven and Hell can be really tough, i would stick to the unlikelihood of "no creator" and how science is showing that even the big bang had a start. Things just did not always exist. There is no evidence that anything that is in existence, always existed. That means that as outlandish as Genesis might sound to the non-believer it has more scientific merit than "it just is"! If the universe operates by certain laws then who or what or how was the law created? Also, it seems that when people are dying, regardless of a lifetime of disbelief they seem to starting thinking about God. Why is that? The fundamental idea of God seems to live in everyone's head. Also, most Atheist seem to be driven to their belief by an event where they felt let down by God. How could you be so let down and so against something you believe in your heart never existed? That means that most of them really deep down do believe, they have just emotionally covered up that part of their Psyche (or heart if you prefer). And lastly, why Jesus? Why? How could this religion still be going on? He is the only "messiah type" that any religion has. Everyone else just claimed to be a prophet, or what ever Buddha is, not "the" liaison to God and not a God-man figure to do Gods work on earth. Its the least believable of all the religions (excluding Mormonism and Scientology) yet it still exist today in pretty much the same form as it did in the beginning. To dismiss Jesus as a myth is historically idiotic, to dismiss God as as 100% myth is scientifically unsound (according to most scientist in the last 5 years including Stephen Hawking who recently is using a God concept in his Theory of everything message. So Christians ...it maybe time to update your stand and smarten up if you want to do what you think God wants you to do!
 

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You should seriously consider switching to decaf. Welcome to CC.
 

blue_ladybug

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your OP subject belongs in the bible forum. This forum is for new members to introduce themselves, which you haven't done..oh, and hello and welcome to CC...
 
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likewise ditto.

i.e. if you take anyone online seriously, you're in very very very big trouble. even more than your posts indicate, and your attitude. (yes... go ahead.... i can take it as well as dish it out... as long as you realize and find out after you do 30 years of research that i am right.)


Someone who is not even able to start a thread with knowledge of basic grammar and sentence structure, like paragraphs, isn't really to be taken seriously here.
 

blue_ladybug

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Someone who is not even able to start a thread with knowledge of basic grammar and sentence structure, like paragraphs, isn't really to be taken seriously here.
likewise ditto.

i.e. if you take anyone online seriously, you're in very very very big trouble. even more than your posts indicate, and your attitude. (yes... go ahead.... i can take it as well as dish it out... as long as you realize and find out after you do 30 years of research that i am right.)

Hey, at least she spoke the truth, which is alot more than some people on here do...
 
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Someone who is not even able to start a thread with knowledge of basic grammar and sentence structure, like paragraphs, isn't really to be taken seriously here.
This is no way to greet a new comer!
 
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I see Christians being made fun of on Atheist talk shows when they call in . Looking like fools or idiots and being slain with simple opening questions. It is embarrassing and prevents young people from even considering Christian beliefs.
You cannot use the Bible to defend or support Christianity. That's like a person accused of a crime, having another person who supposedly helped you commit the crime, validate your alibi. Christianity is going to lose an entire generation because of this idiocy. There is plenty of non-Biblical factual evidence to show that Jesus lived, had huge influence and the Romans and Jews were worried enough to have him tracked and eventually killed. Also, most Atheist are not really Atheist, they are agnostic, which is a far cry from actual Atheism. They are just think the average Christian is so stupid they jump to the extreme position. Also, topics of Heaven and Hell can be really tough, i would stick to the unlikelihood of "no creator" and how science is showing that even the big bang had a start. Things just did not always exist. There is no evidence that anything that is in existence, always existed. That means that as outlandish as Genesis might sound to the non-believer it has more scientific merit than "it just is"! If the universe operates by certain laws then who or what or how was the law created? Also, it seems that when people are dying, regardless of a lifetime of disbelief they seem to starting thinking about God. Why is that? The fundamental idea of God seems to live in everyone's head. Also, most Atheist seem to be driven to their belief by an event where they felt let down by God. How could you be so let down and so against something you believe in your heart never existed? That means that most of them really deep down do believe, they have just emotionally covered up that part of their Psyche (or heart if you prefer). And lastly, why Jesus? Why? How could this religion still be going on? He is the only "messiah type" that any religion has. Everyone else just claimed to be a prophet, or what ever Buddha is, not "the" liaison to God and not a God-man figure to do Gods work on earth. Its the least believable of all the religions (excluding Mormonism and Scientology) yet it still exist today in pretty much the same form as it did in the beginning. To dismiss Jesus as a myth is historically idiotic, to dismiss God as as 100% myth is scientifically unsound (according to most scientist in the last 5 years including Stephen Hawking who recently is using a God concept in his Theory of everything message. So Christians ...it maybe time to update your stand and smarten up if you want to do what you think God wants you to do!
I like you! Welcome to the site!
 

crossnote

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"You can't use the bible to defend or support Christianity".

That’s like a judge walking into a courtroom and saying to the defense attorney, "You cannot use eyewitness testimony to defend or support your client"

. ...no wonder Christians do miserably against atheists...they play by their twisted rules.
 
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"You can't use the bible to defend or support Christianity".

That’s like a judge walking into a courtroom and saying to the defense attorney, "You cannot use eyewitness testimony to defend or support your client"

. ...no wonder Christians do miserably against atheists...they play by their twisted rules.
I think its a valid argument. The Bible isn't evidence for a claim, the bible IS the claim. I appreciate the importance it has with believers but to non believers it carries no weight whatsoever.

You would also agree its pointless for someone of another religion to present The Vedas, The Qu'ran or the writings of The Gurus as evidence to back up their particular religious claims.

As for the OP, all the atheists I know are not atheists because of some tragedy they went through... They are atheists because there is insufficient evidence to back up the claims

You also present an argument from ignorance. "Somehow everything was created, we have no good explanation for this.. Therefore god did it!"

I'm sorry, but your arguments are just as weak as the very arguments you mentioned.
 
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I like you! Welcome to the site!
This is no way to greet a new comer!
Hey, at least she spoke the truth, which is alot more than some people on here do...
what truth?

even though it's true that the rest is correct, most posters don't even know the truth, let alone post it(except by accident?) ....

and the problem with the op is
completely different than what she said/ claimed.... so.... again, what truth did she speak ?
 

crossnote

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I think its a valid argument. The Bible isn't evidence for a claim, the bible IS the claim. I appreciate the importance it has with believers but to non believers it carries no weight whatsoever.

You would also agree its pointless for someone of another religion to present The Vedas, The Qu'ran or the writings of The Gurus as evidence to back up their particular religious claims.

As for the OP, all the atheists I know are not atheists because of some tragedy they went through... They are atheists because there is insufficient evidence to back up the claims

You also present an argument from ignorance. "Somehow everything was created, we have no good explanation for this.. Therefore god did it!"

I'm sorry, but your arguments are just as weak as the very arguments you mentioned.
The Scriptures have eyewitness testimony. They can be tested for historical and archaeological accuracy unlike the Vedas or most other religious writings.
Do you discount the multitudes of witnesses in Scripture?
 
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John 3:16-21
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

So there you have it.......
 
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The Scriptures have eyewitness testimony. They can be tested for historical and archaeological accuracy unlike the Vedas or most other religious writings.
Do you discount the multitudes of witnesses in Scripture?
I do discount them. Because they are just characters in a story... Written to be eye witnesses.
 

blue_ladybug

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I'd hate to be you on judgement day.. :/
 

AngelFrog

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likewise ditto.

i.e. if you take anyone online seriously, you're in very very very big trouble. even more than your posts indicate, and your attitude. (yes... go ahead.... i can take it as well as dish it out... as long as you realize and find out after you do 30 years of research that i am right.)
Besides being an equal partner in bad writing skills to the one to whom I addressed my remarks, I don't think you realize what you just said of yourself.
Perhaps in year 31 it will come to you.
 

AngelFrog

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This is no way to greet a new comer!
Their first impression OP is no way to introduce themselves to Christians in a Christian forum.

Or did you fail to read their post in its entirety?