Who can add to the finished work of Christ for their salvation?

[Nico07]

It has been disturbing to read some profiles and people say they have to do certain things on top of faith in Christ to be saved. Don't get me wrong here, as Christians because of our faith we produce works and live in faithfulness. But our faithfulness has never been key to our salvation, we stumble and we fall everyday. We have mixed motives and are still in the process of being sanctified. Christ mediates for us at the right hand of the Father. Why would we need a mediator if we are perfect in the sight of God on our own. It is because God see us as perfect through Christ and Him alone and nothing I have done. It is done in Christ or it isnt. It is Christ's work and His work within us or it is our own. There is no Christ went the first half and I have to finish the other half. Does that mean we shouldn't obey the commands God has given us....NO. We are to because we love God and obedience shows our love.

Brothers and sisters, I may not have worded this in the best way and am open for correction. But the way I believe God's word teaches salvation is faith alone in Christ and from that flows obedience to Him. Thank you for reading!

I make a correction in what I said, when I said profiles and people. I saw one profile on here that was questionable on works towards salvation. So the profile struck up the concern and reminded me of others who agree with doing works towards our salvation. Sorry for the mistake. And thanks for the warm welcome from you guys and gals. Also thank you for the encouragement. May we continue to point each other to Christ!!

 

[yogosans14]

Don't you know this part of the this site is filled with self proclaimed church less prophets, who thinks Gods gives them special revelation???lol some of these people here and there skewed interpretations of scripture make me laugh and shake my head at the same time.

 

[Nico07]

Don't you know this part of the this site is filled with self proclaimed church less prophets, who thinks Gods gives them special revelation???lol some of these people here and there skewed interpretations of scripture make me laugh and shake my head at the same time.

Well we need to just share the Truth, I've been wrong on many occasions but God has been good to correct and show me my errors. Alot of times, through other people...so we should get it out there. God's will be done, we just simply do what God has called us to do and He has a plan already in motion. Let us do all we do in love and humilty, but also be stern and not gving into evil.

 

[JesusMyOnly]

Your wording is just fine and what you say is biblical.....get ready for the workers for salvation and those who erroneously teach that you can lose salvation as they will crawl out from under the log and begin to croak their works and adherence to the law so as to keep a salvation that they say you can lose, but will never admit that they have lost it themselves as they never sin....They only mess up or make mistakes.....and they also will argue that they keep the law.....

Amen to you post!

*crawls out from under my log*




I'm not fighting or trying to come off as arrogant.


I do believe that works (obediance unto Christ) is necessary for salvation and I've discovered yes, salvation can be walked away from (don't like the term 'lost' because its not something you wake up one day and find missing). Salvation is 'lost', walked away from when a person stops repenting and completely turns their back on God. But even tho I believe that stuff I don't deny that I sin. In fact for many, many years I had thought I sinned so bad that I was too vile to even be saved. So instead of trusting God and that He would forgive me I thought I had to be against Him. So if anyone needs repentance (to repent) most its me.


What law are you saying that we argue we keep? The old law? Because I myself know once Christ had died the old law was done away with and into the new covenant we went. We are now under a new and better law, the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) And friend just because we are not under old law that doesn't mean we do not have to be obediant unto Christ, to receive and maintain salvation.


James 2:24.

 

[Nico07]

*crawls out from under my log*




I'm not fighting or trying to come off as arrogant.


I do believe that works (obediance unto Christ) is necessary for salvation and I've discovered yes, salvation can be walked away from (don't like the term 'lost' because its not something you wake up one day and find missing). Salvation is 'lost', walked away from when a person stops repenting and completely turns their back on God. But even tho I believe that stuff I don't deny that I sin. In fact for many, many years I had thought I sinned so bad that I was too vile to even be saved. So instead of trusting God and that He would forgive me I thought I had to be against Him. So if anyone needs repentance (to repent) most its me.


What law are you saying that we argue we keep? The old law? Because I myself know once Christ had died the old law was done away with and into the new covenant we went. We are now under a new and better law, the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) And friend just because we are not under old law that doesn't mean we do not have to be obediant unto Christ, to receive and maintain salvation.


James 2:24.

I think when you understand you aren't doing the work, you understand you arent maintaining your salvation.

God is faithful to finish the work He started within you.
Look at Philippians 1:6. You don't begin the work and you sure don't maintain it apart from God working within you.
You have been crucified with Christ and it isn't you, but it is Christ living within you. See Galatians 2:20. You can do nothing apart from Christ, which means you can't do anything without Him. Which indicates, you aren't maintaining but it is He. See John 15:5. Also read Ezekiel 26:21-29, count the number of times God says He will do something and see how many it says His people will do.

Ultimately God gives Life, God maintains it and sees it through til the end. Now don't get me wrong, faith will produce works. A true faith must produce works, otherwise it wasn't a true faith. But it isn't that you did so many good works that you can enter heaven. God's people will obey Him and will repent and will follow Christ. Philippians 2:12-13 states it beautifully, God commanding thst we work out our salvation in fear and trembling and to continue in obedience, for it is God working within us to will and act for His good purpose. So from a human perspective we are doing works, we are obedient to God. But as Christians we know it isn't us, but He who dwells within us. And God will see His people through til the end, even when we go astray. He will draw us back, and we will see that in repentance and walking with Christ through faith.

This is my understanding of Scripture and God's hand in things. I will try to bring it in love and humility. If there is anything I was incorrect on, please inform me! I'm am open to correction and learning. But I do truly believe this is what Scripture teaches and is true. Thank you for hearing me out!

 

[Rudimental]

First off Ephesians 6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Now that's cleared the air. In answer to the OP's original question. Yes nobody can. The work is already complete. Jesus sits at the right hand of God just leaning on the everlasting arms waiting for us to come home! Amen and Hallelujah!

He was an innocent man Gods son that became sin so that sin and evil could not have a hold and would be a part of Gods Almighty plan for redemption long before mankind or the universe and all matter even began. He was born from the Holy virgin Mary as foretold thousands of years before His birth and is the most pivotal, most crucial point in humanities history over everything that has ever happened or will ever happen probably.

Though He sits at the right hand Throne of God. He can also be in many places at the same time. Because he lives outside of space and time so He is not constricted to time and space like we are. In Heaven, one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. So really, He's only been home for a couple days.

I believe I might have gone off topic a little bit but I'm just putting that out there.

 

[Jeff_56]

i haven't seen anyone in weeks say that they have to also do their works in order to be saved.

it is true and right what you say that the works believers do is flowing from him and obedience to him AS A BELIEVER , not to be a believer.

yahweh designed and planned everything before even the world was created, including the good works for
his son yahshua to do, and for his people to do.

that is so simple, but men everywhere have sought out other (corrupt, evil) devices....

again, i haven't seen anyone here say they have to work works in order to be saved,

but several have said, truthfullyl, that after being saved they had works to do, just as scripture says.

on the other hand, there are many in the FALSE GOSPEL, in ANOTHER GOSPEL,

who HAVE CLAIMED that someone ELSE said that they have to do works to be saved.... i.e.
those
in
the false gospel make a false claim often, about someone else, and that has happened a lot.

It has been disturbing to read some profiles and people say they have to do certain things on top of faith in Christ to be saved. Don't get me wrong here, as Christians because of our faith we produce works and live in faithfulness. But our faithfulness has never been key to our salvation, we stumble and we fall everyday. We have mixed motives and are still in the process of being sanctified. Christ mediates for us at the right hand of the Father. Why would we need a mediator if we are perfect in the sight of God on our own. It is because God see us as perfect through Christ and Him alone and nothing I have done. It is done in Christ or it isnt. It is Christ's work and His work within us or it is our own. There is no Christ went the first half and I have to finish the other half. Does that mean we shouldn't obey the commands God has given us....NO. We are to because we love God and obedience shows our love.

Brothers and sisters, I may not have worded this in the best way and am open for correction. But the way I believe God's word teaches salvation is faith alone in Christ and from that flows obedience to Him. Thank you for reading!

 

[Jeff_56]

((the biggest and baddest false gospel is the rcc and everyone who trusts the demonic doctrines and practices of the rcc....

they are the biggest obstacle to life and faith and trust and truth on earth, just as it is written.))

they keep posting, even though they're not supposed to according to the rules of this site,

unless they have a question about true faith or scripture or something like that, and not promoting their

completely evil and corrupt and death-dealing anti-christ heresy.....

 

[MarcR]

Eph 2:9
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
KJV


The intent here is that God does ALL the WORK; and God gets ALL the CREDIT and GLORY!

When you depend on works for Salvation [word capitalized because it is a translation of Jesus' name] you steal glory from God.

IMO this is NOT GOOD PRACTICE; because, if you believe in works; THOU SHALT NOT STEAL should be important!

 

[kennethcadwell]

I think when you understand you aren't doing the work, you understand you arent maintaining your salvation.

God is faithful to finish the work He started within you.
Look at Philippians 1:6. You don't begin the work and you sure don't maintain it apart from God working within you.
You have been crucified with Christ and it isn't you, but it is Christ living within you. See Galatians 2:20. You can do nothing apart from Christ, which means you can't do anything without Him. Which indicates, you aren't maintaining but it is He. See John 15:5. Also read Ezekiel 26:21-29, count the number of times God says He will do something and see how many it says His people will do.

Ultimately God gives Life, God maintains it and sees it through til the end. Now don't get me wrong, faith will produce works. A true faith must produce works, otherwise it wasn't a true faith. But it isn't that you did so many good works that you can enter heaven. God's people will obey Him and will repent and will follow Christ. Philippians 2:12-13 states it beautifully, God commanding thst we work out our salvation in fear and trembling and to continue in obedience, for it is God working within us to will and act for His good purpose. So from a human perspective we are doing works, we are obedient to God. But as Christians we know it isn't us, but He who dwells within us. And God will see His people through til the end, even when we go astray. He will draw us back, and we will see that in repentance and walking with Christ through faith.

This is my understanding of Scripture and God's hand in things. I will try to bring it in love and humility. If there is anything I was incorrect on, please inform me! I'm am open to correction and learning. But I do truly believe this is what Scripture teaches and is true. Thank you for hearing me out!

Yes ones works when born again come from the fruits of the Holy Spirit, yet the bible does say some will turn and walk away from the faith and when they do this their salvation is in jeopardy unless they repent and come back to the Lord.
Our Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul both said many will fall away from the faith, as when Paul was speaking he showed it came directly from the Holy Spirit stating this through him. James clearly shows this to in James 5:19-20 as he says if a brother or sister (brethren) wander away from the faith, if we turn them back to the Lord we will save their soul from death. By stating it that way we know James is not talking about physical death of the body, because when we die in the body that is the only part that dies. The soul can only be destroyed by God in the lake of fire at judgment....

 

[DesiredHaven]

Peter says we can add to our faith

2Peter 1:5-10 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

2 Peter 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Peter 1:9 But he that ((( lacketh these things ))) is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that ((( he was purged ))) from his old sins.

2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

2 Peter 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[Nico07]

I wouldn't agree more, many of God's people did err from the truth and did fall into sin. We see this all throughout Scripture. But God was faithful in using whatever means necessary to draw them back to repentance. I would say some of those people professing the truth and erring and not repenting would be similar to the parable of the sower and the seed. It may appear that they have faith and accept truth, but with time various things happen and we see it wasn't true faith. God knows where the seed lands and if it is on good soil and He is faithful to let it grow and bear fruit. From a human perspective, we aren't sure but the Bible does lay down guidelines for a true believer and we are even called to examine ourselves daily. It all goes back to God calling us to work out our salvation, but it is Him working within us. Thank you for your post and sharing your thoughts on this subject.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Peter says we can add to our faith

2Peter 1:5-10 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

2 Peter 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Peter 1:9 But he that ((( lacketh these things ))) is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that ((( he was purged ))) from his old sins.

2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

2 Peter 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Yes this passage in by itself shows that ones salvation is not secure unless how they walk in the faith matches their belief. Apostle John shows us the same thing in his epistle as well by showing if ones actions show differently then the love of God, then that person is not walking in a true saving faith under grace.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I wouldn't agree more, many of God's people did err from the truth and did fall into sin. We see this all throughout Scripture. But God was faithful in using whatever means necessary to draw them back to repentance. I would say some of those people professing the truth and erring and not repenting would be similar to the parable of the sower and the seed. It may appear that they have faith and accept truth, but with time various things happen and we see it wasn't true faith. God knows where the seed lands and if it is on good soil and He is faithful to let it grow and bear fruit. From a human perspective, we aren't sure but the Bible does lay down guidelines for a true believer and we are even called to examine ourselves daily. It all goes back to God calling us to work out our salvation, but it is Him working within us. Thank you for your post and sharing your thoughts on this subject.

No not all did as the scriptures show some that were not brought back to repentance and were destroyed.
Ananias and his wife our an example of this as they lied to the Holy Spirit (Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit) and they were struck dead by God. Apostle Jude gives us other such examples in his epistle as well.

 

[Nico07]

Yes this passage in by itself shows that ones salvation is not secure unless how they walk in the faith matches their belief. Apostle John shows us the same thing in his epistle as well by showing if ones actions show differently then the love of God, then that person is not walking in a true saving faith under grace.

I would agree, a true faith produces true works. You can't say you have faith and not live it out. Then it wasn't true faith to begin with.

 

[Nico07]

No not all did as the scriptures show some that were not brought back to repentance and were destroyed.
Ananias and his wife our an example of this as they lied to the Holy Spirit (Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit) and they were struck dead by God. Apostle Jude gives us other such examples in his epistle as well.

And I wouldn't simply say, they did not have faith and the Holy Spirit wasn't within them. They professed and yet their deeds did not match. So the question really is, does everyone that proclaims themselves to be a true Christian, are they actually Christians? We are called to examine ourselves daily to know if we are in the faith. If God's Spirit is within a person and their faith is in Christ, God will see then through.

 

[Nico07]

Philippians 1:6 - being confident of this, that He who began a good work within you will carry it on to completion until the day of Jesus Christ.

Scripture makes it clear, God starts the work and finishes it. Otherwise what does this passage mean. God knows who is saved, with man we see it as it goes.

 

[Nico07]

And once again, may we all share and discuss in love and humility. With which I have been treated with, and am thankful for! Thank you guys for sharing and discussing your thoughts. May the honor and glory be to Him though, forever and ever!!!

 

[kennethcadwell]

And I wouldn't simply say, they did not have faith and the Holy Spirit wasn't within them. They professed and yet their deeds did not match. So the question really is, does everyone that proclaims themselves to be a true Christian, are they actually Christians? We are called to examine ourselves daily to know if we are in the faith. If God's Spirit is within a person and their faith is in Christ, God will see then through.

Well according to the passage from James 5:19-20 those he is speaking of there were once in the faith, and then fell back away into a sinful life. James says if we bring them back to Him then we will save their soul. Now I know some can say they were never saved to begin with, but what determines if one is saved. Is it faith alone, or is it faith + works as James says. I would say we are saved by a true faith apart from our own works, but in hand and hand with His works.
No fruit of the Spirit=No salvation.

 

[Nico07]

I would say that if you have true faith it will produce works. I think alot of the times we get into the argument, is it "faith alone" or "faith + works". People say "faith alone" alot I think because they are worried others are relying on works to get to heaven and they have to do certain things and reach a certain level before they get to heaven. And I believe a lot of people that proclaim "faith + works" worry about people that say "faith alone" because they are thinking they have to simply say they have faith and not really show a change in their lifestyle and don't see fruit. I think we both agree, true faith produces work. They go hand in hand. That has just been my perspective on these matters and open for correction and sharpening!!