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I would give a resounding YES!!!
Judges 2:6-12 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And when Joshua had let the people go, the children of Israel went every man unto his inheritance to possess the land. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And the people served the LORD all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders that outlived Joshua, who had seen all the great works of the LORD, that he did for Israel. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of the LORD, died, being an hundred and ten years old. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And they buried him in the border of his inheritance in Timnathheres, in the mount of Ephraim, on the north side of the hill Gaash. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the LORD, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim: [SUP]12 [/SUP]And they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the LORD to anger.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Hosea 4:6 (KJV) My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
The falling away comes before the tribulation, & that falling away as a result of christians not knowing their Bible. What we don't know, we can't obey, nor can we recognize heresy when we hear it. Such lack of knowledge makes the church very vulnerable to deception.
Judges 2:6-12 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And when Joshua had let the people go, the children of Israel went every man unto his inheritance to possess the land. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And the people served the LORD all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders that outlived Joshua, who had seen all the great works of the LORD, that he did for Israel. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of the LORD, died, being an hundred and ten years old. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And they buried him in the border of his inheritance in Timnathheres, in the mount of Ephraim, on the north side of the hill Gaash. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the LORD, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim: [SUP]12 [/SUP]And they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the LORD to anger.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Hosea 4:6 (KJV) My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
The falling away comes before the tribulation, & that falling away as a result of christians not knowing their Bible. What we don't know, we can't obey, nor can we recognize heresy when we hear it. Such lack of knowledge makes the church very vulnerable to deception.
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I like your approach to this, and more; The New Testament language uses natures and in this case pharisees, to teach us about a nature hidden within each of us. A classic example is a pharisee who sees a man on his knees, pleading for God's mercy, and the pharisee saying in his heart, God, I'm glad I'm not like him. The teaching of pharisees is not limited to this one parable. When the application of this key is used, makes the teaching more personally about each and every one of God's people.
you might be in trouble then, as the one you are saying you agree with has boldly posted things directly contrary to scripture, which is the reason for the posts that he claims are 'know it all' or whatever ...since he is wrong,
and it is clear from scripture (go check it yourself),
he has no defense. and we are not supposed to pat someone on the back when they oppose scripture.
open rebuke gives them a chance to repent.
silent, hidden, love gives them no chance, and shares in their guilt, according to scripture.
so , stick to scripture.
and it is clear from scripture (go check it yourself),
he has no defense. and we are not supposed to pat someone on the back when they oppose scripture.
open rebuke gives them a chance to repent.
silent, hidden, love gives them no chance, and shares in their guilt, according to scripture.
so , stick to scripture.
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I agree with Brother DCon, it's a public forum, therefore you can't expect everyone to be on the same plane.
The real culprits are those who come into this place with legalistic doctrines, who use guilt and criticism to entrap other people into their beliefs. All that does is immobilize growing Christians, causing them confusion and fear. There's no joy, no liberty in their speech, and they even go as far as to warn people about "too much grace". No light shines in their posts, it's all religiosity supported by mounds and mounds of scripture to support their lifeless ideologies.
And no matter how many times you point it out to them that Jesus Christ has come that we might have life and that more abundantly, and that Jesus' Atonement washed away guilt and shame, and that Jesus tells us to "only believe" and that He would show us the way to walk, they insist on piling on more mounds of religious dirt.
That there is the problem, brother. Nevertheless, there are more people on this site who exhibit the genuine love and grace and mercy and joy of Jesus Christ than there are religious zealots. Jesus Christ is alive and at work in the members of this site and we are family through His Holy Spirit. We just have to keep reminding one another of that.
The real culprits are those who come into this place with legalistic doctrines, who use guilt and criticism to entrap other people into their beliefs. All that does is immobilize growing Christians, causing them confusion and fear. There's no joy, no liberty in their speech, and they even go as far as to warn people about "too much grace". No light shines in their posts, it's all religiosity supported by mounds and mounds of scripture to support their lifeless ideologies.
And no matter how many times you point it out to them that Jesus Christ has come that we might have life and that more abundantly, and that Jesus' Atonement washed away guilt and shame, and that Jesus tells us to "only believe" and that He would show us the way to walk, they insist on piling on more mounds of religious dirt.
That there is the problem, brother. Nevertheless, there are more people on this site who exhibit the genuine love and grace and mercy and joy of Jesus Christ than there are religious zealots. Jesus Christ is alive and at work in the members of this site and we are family through His Holy Spirit. We just have to keep reminding one another of that.
get back to scripture. it is not me you sinned against.
scripture says clearly all that you have done wrong. simple.
if you bury it, or hide it, or hide from it, or simply for any reason don't seek yahweh ,
then you are as you have been, apart from him, and remain in sin.
jesus is truth. scripture is truth. you have departed, or never come to, truth. that is the issue.
it is not between me and you.
it is between you and yahweh. and he makes it clear to all ekklesia as he chooses.
that's the only way i could ever know what you did wrong. yahweh says so.
it is his word, his truth, his son yahshua, who instructs us.
you listened to someone else and remained apart from him for it -- you would not allow yourself to trust him.
once you do that, if he permits, you will have union with him in yahshua, as he means for all ekklesia to do.
scripture says clearly all that you have done wrong. simple.
if you bury it, or hide it, or hide from it, or simply for any reason don't seek yahweh ,
then you are as you have been, apart from him, and remain in sin.
jesus is truth. scripture is truth. you have departed, or never come to, truth. that is the issue.
it is not between me and you.
it is between you and yahweh. and he makes it clear to all ekklesia as he chooses.
that's the only way i could ever know what you did wrong. yahweh says so.
it is his word, his truth, his son yahshua, who instructs us.
you listened to someone else and remained apart from him for it -- you would not allow yourself to trust him.
once you do that, if he permits, you will have union with him in yahshua, as he means for all ekklesia to do.
Then you should know the words of the bible...Who are you to judge another man's servant.......and for sure...Jesus does not use you to convict me or anyone else for that matter......and when I sin...and God convicts me...I have NO PROBLEM getting right.....You know that the PHARISEES sit in the seat of judgment and condemned all of those sinners around them....seems like the Pharisees are alive and well.........!
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There is advantage for growth when people express themselves in the things they (we) understand at the moment. Today I understand that no one knows the end of understanding. So, to point a finger and say someone doesn't understand, is actually a reality revealed when it was said that our thoughts are not God's thoughts. This doesn't mean we cannot learn, but even disagreement is an advantage, causing people to carefully consider what caused the difference. There is no shortage of lack of understanding with the first disciple as they personally followed Jesus. This same picture is present in today's followers. I don't always agree in the way people think, but today I understand the process of growing. So, I do try to understand the process of growing.
I agree with Brother DCon, it's a public forum, therefore you can't expect everyone to be on the same plane.
The real culprits are those who come into this place with legalistic doctrines, who use guilt and criticism to entrap other people into their beliefs. All that does is immobilize growing Christians, causing them confusion and fear. There's no joy, no liberty in their speech, and they even go as far as to warn people about "too much grace". No light shines in their posts, it's all religiosity supported by mounds and mounds of scripture to support their lifeless ideologies.
And no matter how many times you point it out to them that Jesus Christ has come that we might have life and that more abundantly, and that Jesus' Atonement washed away guilt and shame, and that Jesus tells us to "only believe" and that He would show us the way to walk, they insist on piling on more mounds of religious dirt.
That there is the problem, brother. Nevertheless, there are more people on this site who exhibit the genuine love and grace and mercy and joy of Jesus Christ than there are religious zealots. Jesus Christ is alive and at work in the members of this site and we are family through His Holy Spirit. We just have to keep reminding one another of that.
The real culprits are those who come into this place with legalistic doctrines, who use guilt and criticism to entrap other people into their beliefs. All that does is immobilize growing Christians, causing them confusion and fear. There's no joy, no liberty in their speech, and they even go as far as to warn people about "too much grace". No light shines in their posts, it's all religiosity supported by mounds and mounds of scripture to support their lifeless ideologies.
And no matter how many times you point it out to them that Jesus Christ has come that we might have life and that more abundantly, and that Jesus' Atonement washed away guilt and shame, and that Jesus tells us to "only believe" and that He would show us the way to walk, they insist on piling on more mounds of religious dirt.
That there is the problem, brother. Nevertheless, there are more people on this site who exhibit the genuine love and grace and mercy and joy of Jesus Christ than there are religious zealots. Jesus Christ is alive and at work in the members of this site and we are family through His Holy Spirit. We just have to keep reminding one another of that.
I think we are dealing with a very basic problem here. Some people just can't see themselves as being worth loving. (Not "worthy of", but WORTH loving in Jesus' eyes) And Jesus told us we are to love God and to love others as we love ourselves. Well, I'm afraid some people get hung up right there because they can't even believe Jesus loves them, let alone loving themselves because of such an adored position in Christ.
So they are right back to the garden, hiding from a love they are afraid of because they cannot accept the possibility that Jesus could ever love them without them doing something to earn it.
It's a "catch 22" for them. Until they can learn to accept love without first feeling they have earned it, they stay out in the cold, never quite understanding why they can neither give nor receive love.... all the while, inwardly screaming, "But look, God, (Lord, Lord) how much I do for you all the time... why won't you love me? Should I try harder?"
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I only come here to complain about people who complain about people who come here to complain.