Sabbath

[prove-all]

Paul , talking to new gentile and jew converts, why does he mention Sabbaths, holy days , holy convocations.

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

if they had been done away with them sabbaths, but which he did himself for over 3 years keeping the sabbath like his custom.

[He]was teaching them [to keep] the sabbaths, and not let others tell you other wise.


17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.


at this point, Christ is risen, what shadow do they mean now.


also the word [is] was added and was not inspired by paul, and should [not] be in there.


this verse should read proper,


do not let anyone tell you about sabbaths holy days, [but] the body of Christ.


now we know it was not peter that little stone,

but Christs own words and as [His] customs where.

 

[Chica]

it is partly understandable that you think that way (of the post). but realize and search out and seek from Yahweh the truth, and if you keep seeking you will find out that almost nothing you have always been taught is true, anything. almost.

the original ekklesia (later called church, later called church building... etc)

did always keep the sabbath,
the same as yahshua the messiah and the chief cornerstone, and the same as all the apostles the foundation for the ekklesia (NOT ever any foundation for the rcc heresy and the daughters of the harlot abomination fornicator including islam)....

adam and havah walked with yahweh in the garden and learned from him the sabbath rest on the 7th day, as did others later and not just in scripture but also around the world(not for here --- that's not complicated, but it is not accepted by enough true believers present to follow through with the simple truth and evidence that has never changed in 6000 years, or 5000 years, or 4000 years, or 3000 years... as yahweh has planned and done according to his word and his purpose in yahshua hamashaich.

you can fight the truth all you want, until yahweh stops you; he may let you go for some time, and may let you go entirely if he chooses. that's his choice. he let a lot of souls go when they continually rejected him and when they would not turn to him to be healed, even billions on earth today(as it is written in revelation --- he destroys them according to his perfect plan, all who will not turn to him to be healed.)

That's your interpritation. "ekklesia" in the Greek language implies no more than an assembly; for example, the town meeting or "assembly" at Ephesus (Acts 19:39), and Israel called out of Egypt and spoken of as a "congregation," ekklesia in the wilderness (Acts 7:38), but in no sense was it the NT Church.

The Church was founded on the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ.

(v.23)For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body. (v.24)Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(v.25)Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; (v.26)That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, (v.27)That he might present it to himself a glorius church, not having spot, ot wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Ephesians 5:23-27

There could be no church until it was purchased with Christ's precious blood.

 

[prove-all]

[did always keep the sabbath, ]


no they did not allways keep the sabbath his people of Isreals

and paid the price for it dearly, even now God has hiden his eyes from there decendents.

and the faith they did not have, and not entered into the promised land,

was in his Sabbaths promise , and no work on it, but they tried picking up manna anyway.

 

[KJV1611]

That's your interpritation. "ekklesia" in the Greek language implies no more than an assembly; for example, the town meeting or "assembly" at Ephesus (Acts 19:39), and Israel called out of Egypt and spoken of as a "congregation," ekklesia in the wilderness (Acts 7:38), but in no sense was it the NT Church.

The Church was founded on the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ.

(v.23)For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body. (v.24)Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(v.25)Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; (v.26)That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, (v.27)That he might present it to himself a glorius church, not having spot, ot wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Ephesians 5:23-27

There could be no church until it was purchased with Christ's precious blood.

The church was purchased and has been around since the beginning of time.

Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[prove-all]

the reason why God put them in egypt, was to show us his plain,

to accept his blood and come out of egypt[sin]people called by his name

and showed us how he wanted his people to follow him his way, his [Holidays]

not just shadows of things to come, even called a memorial forever in some places



but Abraham had saw this that his kin where not going to follow Gods ways

and now being punished by the stripes of man, but God will not forget them

 

[prove-all]

the doctrune of rome has filled its coffers with this verse

1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia,
even so do ye.

-gave orders to one church and now another, not to the whole church system.

2Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store,
as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

-a regular work day, something to keep stored at home , no collecting when he comes together.

3And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters,
them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.

- there was a famine there, they needed food, money can't buy whats not there

fruit also was sent before elsewhere,to hungry saints in Jerusalem, how can they give at this point

4And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.

-if it was meet they needed there help to carry it, not a small coin purse.

5Now I will come unto you, when I shall pass through Macedonia: for I do pass through Macedonia.

-was not commanded to take a collection but this once.

 

[Jeff_56]

no. interpretation is not permitted.

That's your interpritation.......

 

[prove-all]

The Church was founded on the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ.

There could be no church until it was purchased with Christ's precious blood.

Psalms 78:15 (KJV)
He clave the rocks in the wilderness, and gave them drink as out of the great depths.


52But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock.
53And he led them on safely, so that they feared not: but the sea overwhelmed their enemies.
54And he brought them to the border of his sanctuary, even to this mountain,
which his right hand had purchased.

Numbers 20:10 (KJV)
And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock,
and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

37This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel,
A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

38This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in
the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively [oracles] to give unto us:



1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that
all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people;
that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

 

[gotime]

The actual reason for the Sabbath is given in the commandment itself:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God says to remember it because He created the world and He blessed the 7th day and set it apart as Holy.
The Commandment points back not forward but back to creation as it is written:

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So it is clear that the 7th day Sabbath does not point forward. Although there are spiritual lessons in the Sabbath.

and It was made for Man kind before sin came into the world:

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

So that shows that it is not a disputable thing proving that the 7th day Sabbath is not intended in Romans 14.

Blessings.

 

[prove-all]

1Let us therefore [fear], lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest,
any of you should seem to come short of it.

2For unto us was the gospel preached, [as well] as unto them:
but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.


3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath,
if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day [on this wise],
And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5And in this [place again], If they shall enter into my rest.

6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein,
and they to whom it was first preached entered not in [because of unbelief:]

7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said,
To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.


8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

 

[prove-all]

Gods Holy [Sabbath made for Himself] was Gods plan for redemption shown in his holy days

The Passover and days of unleved bread

Most churches teach that Christ finished the plan of redemption when He was crucified.
But the very first event in God’s great plan for man’s regeneration was the death of Christ

Prior to the Law of Moses We find the operation of this great sacrifice beginning in Eden,
when God killed a lamb or goat,in order to cover the nakedness (type of sin)of Adam and Eve with skins.

We find it operating when Abel sacrificed a substitute lamb. And so the Passover is the first
of these events picturing to God’s children year by year His great plan.

annual sabbaths were not part of the law of Moses, but were observed before
the ritualistic ordinances contained in the law of Moses were given.

the early true Church did, for more than 400 long years at least—perhaps much longer—
after Christ’s resurrection, continue to keep and observe these annual holy days given by God!

23rd chapter of Leviticus we find a summary of these annual holy days, or set feasts.

To be observed year by year and forever. These days,were given to keep God’s children in the true memory and worship of God by keeping us constantly in the understanding of God’s great plan of redemption. For these annual days picture the different epochs in the plan of spiritual creation—mark the dispensations, and picture their meaning.And, as the beginning of our salvation was wrought by Christ’s death on the cross,

so God said, “This month [in the spring] shall be unto you the beginning of months …” (Exodus 12:2).

 

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Feast of Trumpets

“And the Lord spake saying,In the seventh month,in the first day of the month,shall ye have a sabbath,
a memorial [not a shadow] of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation. Ye shall do no servile work therein …”Leviticus 23:23-25).

Here is pictured to us that next blessed event in God’s redemptive plan, when Christ shall come again,
in clouds, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God
(1 Thessalonians 4:14-17).

It shall be “at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall [all] be changed” (1 Corinthians 15:52).

Unless Christ returns to resurrect the dead, we would never gain eternal life—if there is no resurrection
“[t]hen they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished” (verse 18).

Christ directly intervenes in world affairs at the seventh, or the last, trump (Revelation 11:15-19).
A trumpet is a symbol of war. He comes in a time of worldwide war—when the nations are angry!

As soon as the work of gathering in the firstfruits (pictured by Pentecost) is completed at the end of this present age, then Christ will begin to set up again the tabernacle of David (Acts 15:16)—to set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people (Isaiah 11:11)—to search out and to find His lost sheep that the ministers of the churches have failed to search out and save during this period (Ezekiel 34:1-14).

“And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they [Israel] shall come which were ready to perish … and shall worship the [Eternal] in the holy mount at Jerusalem” (Isaiah 27:13).

When will Israel be regathered? At the sound of the trump— at the Second Coming of Christ. Because the churches have forgotten the festival of Trumpets, many think that the return of a part of the Jews to the Holy Land and the setting up of a nation called Israel now is the fulfillment of this prophecy!

And perhaps the glorious Second Coming shall occur,in whatever year it may be, on this very day of the Feast ofTrumpets—who knows? While we cannot say for certain, yet cannot we see this possibility?

The crucifixion was upon the Passover day—the very day! The Holy Spirit came, beginning the selecting of the firstfruits of salvation, on the very day of Pentecost. Had not those 120 disciples been observing this annual sabbath—had they not been assembled there in holy convocation— could they have received that blessing of the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit?

Repeatedly Jesus warned us to watch, regarding His Second Coming! Could it be possible that, unless we are observing the Feast of Trumpets, as the first-century Church of God was observing Pentecost, that we shall not be ready, or caught up to meet Him?

The festival of Trumpets is a day of rejoicing—and, as the weekly Sabbath, holy unto the Lord (Nehemiah 8:2, 9-12


but there is 7 holy days, not all done yet till complete

do anyone know what the rest mean ?

 

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Day of Atonement, or the Fast, a shadow not completed

Next, let us read Leviticus 23:26-27, 31-32: “And the Lord spake … saying, Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls [fast] …. Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.”

Wonderful mystery! At-one-ment with God! Man at last made one with his Maker!

Again, in the 16th chapter of Leviticus, verses 29 and 31,where the symbolism of the Day of Atonement is explained, we find it instituted a holy sabbath to be kept forever: “And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you …. It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.”

in Leviticus 23:32, the expression “from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.” Every Sabbath keeper quotes this passage to show that the Sabbath begins at sunset. If we believe that, then why not keep the sabbath that this very text is speaking of—the high sabbath of the Day of Atonement, instituted forever?

The Day of Atonement pictures a wonderful and great event, to take place after the Second Coming of Christ, which the world is in total ignorance of because it has failed to see the true significance of these annual sabbaths holy unto the Lord. It has failed to keep them as a constant reminder of God’s plan of redemption!

The symbolism is all expressed in the account of the events of the Day of Atonement, as carried out before the crucifixion, in the 16th chapter of Leviticus.Verse 5—“And he [Aaron, or the high priest] shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel

two kids of the goats for a sin offering ….”

 

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Day of Atonement

The High Priest—Type of Christ

As soon as the slain goat was dead, who went within the veil, presenting the blood of this goat before
the typical throne of God?

Leviticus 16:15-16—“Then shall he [the high priest] kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and [now the high priest himself typifying the work of the risen Christ] bring his blood within the vail … and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat: And he shall make an atonement for the holy place.

And so it was the high priest taking blood within the veil, to the mercy seat, that typified the risen Christ figuratively taking His blood, once for all, within the veil to the very throne of God in heaven, there to intercede for us as High Priest.

The high priest going within the veil, into the holy of holies, symbolized Christ’s return to heaven. The work he did while in the holy of holies symbolized Christ’s work these 1,900 years interceding for us, presenting His shed blood before the mercy seat in heaven. Now, coming back out, symbolizing Christ’s return to Earth, what did the high priest do?

“And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat: And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear upon him [Fenton: shall carry upon itself] all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. And Aaron shall … wash his flesh with water …. And he that let go the goat for the scapegoat [Azazel] shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp” (verses 20-26).

Is not God a God of justice, as well as of compassion and mercy?Who is the real author of our sins? The devil is the author of them, even as Christ is the author of our salvation. Jesus took our guilt—our blame—our sins—upon Himself as an innocent substitutionary sacrifice.

Is it justice for Christ to bear guilt that is not His, while the devil goes off scot-free? Do you not suppose God’s great plan will finally work full justice by placing that original blame and guilt right where it belongs?

But justice certainly demands that God place right back on the head of the devil his guilt—not our guilt, but his own guilt—for leading us into sin. We were guilty, too—and our guilt Christ bore—yet all our sins belong right back on the devil as his own guilt!

The Azazel goat carries away the sins of all the people already forgiven. These sins already were fully paid for by Christ’s substitute sacrifice, symbolized by the killing of the innocent goat before those same sins were finally laid on the live goat. They had been previously paid for by the death of the slain goat.

The devil is the real author of all sin. Can we, then, be finally made at one with God, as long as this instigator of sin is with us? Can we not see he must first be driven away? And there would not be justice with God unless his own guilt in our sins were placed right back on his head? Is it justice for Christ to bear the devil’s guilt, as well as our own guilt, for our sins?

The driving away of the second live goat shows the final atonement, by placing the sins on their author where they belong, and the complete removal of the sins and their author from the presence of God and His people—and thus the complete deliverance of the people from the power of Satan.

after laying both his hands on the live goat, Azazel, Aaron had to wash and cleanse himself before coming in contact with the people. So, too, the “fit man” also had to wash his clothes and bathe himself after coming in contact with the Azazel goat, before he came into the presence of the people. The symbolism is certainly that of having come in contact with the devil!

Notice, now, this act of putting these already expiated and forgiven sins on the head of this live goat does not take place until after the high priest returns from the holy of holies within the veil—so this typified an act to take place after the Second Coming of Christ to this Earth!

and the high priest returning to place the sins finally upon the head of the live goat represented the return of Christ, who will place the sins He bore on their author, the devil, and who will send him away alive into a desolate uninhabited wilderness—the “bottomless pit,” or abyss, of Revelation 20:3.

In the 19th chapter of Revelation, we have the prophecy of the Second Coming of Christ. At the beginning of the 20th chapter, what is to happen?Exactly what the 16th chapter of Leviticus shows. The devil is sent away—the symbol here used is the “bottomless pit” symbol of an uninhabited desolate wilderness (Revelation 18:2)—and he is sent there by a fit man—an angel from heaven. Now the devil is not killed. He does not die. He is still alive a thousand years later—after the Millennium (Revelation 20:7).

Both goats were “[presented] before the Lord.” Can Satan be presented before the Lord? Job 1:6 and 2:1 say he has presented himself before the Lord. Note, too, Azazel was driven away from the holy of holies, a symbol of God’s presence.

And so the annual Day of Atonement was instituted forever to keep continually before God’s children and His Church the plan of redemption, to occur after the Second Coming of Christ.

And we find this annual holy day recognized in the New Testament. In Acts 27:9, it is recorded that Paul was on his perilous sea voyage to Rome, “when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast was now already past ….” See the margin in your Bible. The fast refers to the Day of Atonement—the 10th day of the seventh month.

 

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This eighth day, technically a separate feast, is called “the last day, that great day of the feast”

Notice what Jesus preached about on that day:

“If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. … [O]ut of his belly [innermost being]
shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit,
which they that believe on him should receive …)John 7:37-39

This was Jesus’s sermon giving the meaning of the Last Great Day!

Now turn to Revelation 20. After the Millennium, what happens? A resurrection!
The dead stand before God.

This couldn’t include true Christians today, as they will appear before the judgment seat
when Christ returns.

It couldn’t refer to those converted during the Millennium. They have already inherited the Kingdom during the Millennium,after living out a normal lifespan. Those in this resurrection must be those who died in ignorance in past ages!

They are not brought to life until after the Millennium (Revelation 20:5).



“the last day, that great day of the feast”

“The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the Lord. …

[O]n the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you … it is a [day of] solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein”
(Leviticus 23:34, 36).

This eighth day, technically a separate feast, is called “the last day, that great day of the feast”
(John 7:37).

Notice what Jesus preached about on that day: “If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. … [O]ut of his belly [innermost being] shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive …)” (John 7:37-39).

This was Jesus’s sermon giving the meaning of the Last Great Day!

Now turn to Revelation 20. After the Millennium, what happens? A resurrection! The dead stand before God. This couldn’t include true Christians today, as they will appear before the judgment seat when Christ returns. It couldn’t refer to those converted during the Millennium. They have already inherited the Kingdom during the Millennium, after living out a normal lifespan. Those in this resurrection must be those who died in ignorance in past ages! They are not brought to life until after the Millennium (Revelation 20:5).

 

[prove-all]

Do we need to keep the sabbath? I dunno if I posted about this but I am still confused.

Matthew 5:19 says that if you ignore the least of these commands you get the least position in heaven. So can someone please explain this to me?

btw, what is the purpose of the Sabbath and why is it so hard to keep?

I hope some of this info will be helpfull, about Gods Holy Sabbath

 

[ChristInUs]

Jesus is the Sabbath. Only self righteousness keeps a day.

 

[prove-all]

Only self righteousness keeps a day.

For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?

 

[RememberTheSabbathDay]

Jesus is the Sabbath. Only self righteousness keeps a day.

Really ChristInUs?


Where is your biblical proof. U must have some kind of evidence for what you are saying instead of empty words. Scriptures please in context.

 

[TMS]

No one can keep the sabbath like we should, therefore no one is saved by keeping the law.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
But notice that we are not free to kill and steal or break the Sabbath because Jesus has saved us in His perfect righteousness. We should keep it because we are saved, not to be saved.