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I actually think that this is Christian Chat's strength - that is to be open to non believers.
It's really cool that they can come here and discuss with us and this is our opportunity to share our faith with them.
The whole point of being Christian is to reach out to others. It's not an exclusive club.
Please stop ganging up on poor Colin Cat and getting so mad. There's no point in discussion if you're all just going to keep throwing ad hominem attacks and insulting other religions.
Recall how Jesus was.
Peace
It's really cool that they can come here and discuss with us and this is our opportunity to share our faith with them.
The whole point of being Christian is to reach out to others. It's not an exclusive club.
Please stop ganging up on poor Colin Cat and getting so mad. There's no point in discussion if you're all just going to keep throwing ad hominem attacks and insulting other religions.
Recall how Jesus was.
Peace
Maybe the reason you believe God isn't real is because you hold to a preconceived idea as to what God "is". And that arrived at by exposure to religions that describe "him" just so.
The Bible tells us that God is a spirit not a man. That we as men and women are created in the image and likeness of that spirit.
When God is eternal that would mean our flesh that is not falls away after death and what is left is that image and likeness, that spirit, that is God. All things that exist, if created by a spirit source must contain the attributes afforded its image and likeness as appointed by that spirit source.
God is all things. Including you.
Don't think the God of religion is the God that is easily rejected and therefore does not exist. Look in the mirror and see God there. Look at those you love and see God there. Look at those things in nature and see God there.
As long as you are conscious God is there. And when you are no longer so you return to the source that is the God that is everywhere.
Religion is human's feeble attempt to mold eternity into a box they can grasp hold of and understand using their limited consciousness that is molded to the experiences of this world. Consciousness that is formed from the time someone, anyone, tells us what this life is all about and what we can and cannot do, what can be and cannot be, within it.
Little one's who have invisible angel friends are a prime example of this. A child is the closest thing to God from the moment they are born. They arrive here born from the source of all that creates and they are still linked as if they have that invisible umbilicus attached to the Father (That pronoun is simply another label we apply. Spirit is genderless). That child who see's things that we cannot does see God.
That we do not means nothing. The scales over our eyes, recall Paul's affliction after meeting Jesus on the road to Damascus, shut us off from seeing the spirit in this world so that all we see is the illusion of matter in this world.
But that child knows from whence they came because they haven't yet been told to believe what this world expects of them.
You don't have to believe in man's idea of "God". Look in the mirror and know that eternal omnipresent spirit believes in you.
And "You" are only temporary.
The Bible tells us that God is a spirit not a man. That we as men and women are created in the image and likeness of that spirit.
When God is eternal that would mean our flesh that is not falls away after death and what is left is that image and likeness, that spirit, that is God. All things that exist, if created by a spirit source must contain the attributes afforded its image and likeness as appointed by that spirit source.
God is all things. Including you.
Don't think the God of religion is the God that is easily rejected and therefore does not exist. Look in the mirror and see God there. Look at those you love and see God there. Look at those things in nature and see God there.
As long as you are conscious God is there. And when you are no longer so you return to the source that is the God that is everywhere.
Religion is human's feeble attempt to mold eternity into a box they can grasp hold of and understand using their limited consciousness that is molded to the experiences of this world. Consciousness that is formed from the time someone, anyone, tells us what this life is all about and what we can and cannot do, what can be and cannot be, within it.
Little one's who have invisible angel friends are a prime example of this. A child is the closest thing to God from the moment they are born. They arrive here born from the source of all that creates and they are still linked as if they have that invisible umbilicus attached to the Father (That pronoun is simply another label we apply. Spirit is genderless). That child who see's things that we cannot does see God.
That we do not means nothing. The scales over our eyes, recall Paul's affliction after meeting Jesus on the road to Damascus, shut us off from seeing the spirit in this world so that all we see is the illusion of matter in this world.
But that child knows from whence they came because they haven't yet been told to believe what this world expects of them.
You don't have to believe in man's idea of "God". Look in the mirror and know that eternal omnipresent spirit believes in you.
And "You" are only temporary.
I do not believe that it is good to be supportive of trying to turn people away from God with meaningless earthly ideas. I dont believe that ColinCat is being hurt that people are telling Him they will stick with God no matter what ideas he may come up with to lead them astray. Im sure his life will not be really hurt by people staying with God no matter what the earth tries to tell them.
I actually think that this is Christian Chat's strength - that is to be open to non believers.
It's really cool that they can come here and discuss with us and this is our opportunity to share our faith with them.
The whole point of being Christian is to reach out to others. It's not an exclusive club.
Please stop ganging up on poor Colin Cat and getting so mad. There's no point in discussion if you're all just going to keep throwing ad hominem attacks and insulting other religions.
Recall how Jesus was.
Peace
It's really cool that they can come here and discuss with us and this is our opportunity to share our faith with them.
The whole point of being Christian is to reach out to others. It's not an exclusive club.
Please stop ganging up on poor Colin Cat and getting so mad. There's no point in discussion if you're all just going to keep throwing ad hominem attacks and insulting other religions.
Recall how Jesus was.
Peace
You could be right there. I'm not sure what god is defined as. To me he is the equivalent of a magic man in the sky poofing things into existence.. And that's not be being offensive, but that's honestly how I envision him based on what people have said about him. Plus Ive not met too many people who can agree on what god actually is.
K
Well the problem is that is a huge topic. We can go one by one with evidence for and against this or that one.But if you've read about different religions and found them all the same how could I even convirnce you of one true God? I cant,no one can if your mind is made up. All I can say is this, the God we believe in here is a personal God.You can read about me on FB,Twitter,Instagram. You can talk to my friends and family.You can read about my history.But you still dont know me.If you wanted to know me you'd have to talk to me now wouldn't you? Now you may not want to know me personally,and thats fine.Same with God.If you dont want to know him personally thats your business.Nothing anyone here will say will change your mind.But if you aren't 100% sure my advice would be try to be 100% before you die. But the choice is yours.
Lol its OK Rachel, I'm in someone else's house so I don't blame anyone for any reactions
Right, but it's not really productive discussion as much as people are just getting mad over what you say
I mean, you can be amused but it's not going to be of any worth really. This is a stereotypical thread on fire.
I suppose if you really want to be challenged and discuss things in an open and concerted fashion, another thread would be in order.
I did remember seeing someone suggesting a soapbox like debate in the suggestion forums but that hasn't been implemented.
Perhaps if you set the time or day whenever you're free, maybe we (whoever) could do that in chat. Have a moderator too.
Just a suggestion
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I have come across lots of evolutionary scientists who disagree with themselves over origins, some dissent from darwins version of evolution, in fact darwin has been refuted many times but it is still taught in the public arena. I believe the individual has to have the right heart condition, some just want to make excuses to not be accountable to God.
The point is you said you can't find any evidence for God, yet i can say the same, i don't see any evidence for evolution or any other way our universe got to be here in the first place. To me there is only two ways Creation or Evolution, i don't see any evidence for evolution, that's what i'm getting at. Again people make excuses to not be accountable to God, atheists and evolutionists make this their mission.
Then a stock example might be James the Just. This may seem rather trivial, but it's a pretty simple one:
- Supposedly not only a disciple of Jesus but also his brother, so I'd say that makes him a claimed eyewitness to Christ's existence.
- Discussed by numerous Biblical authors in independent texts (namely Epistles and Acts) other than the Gospels - in fact, they were written before the Gospels were. Also mentioned by name in the Antiquities, and identified as the brother of Jesus. This was recording a non-Biblical event, so evidently the source for this account is not the Bible itself, even though it supports the identity and role of the individual in question.
- The James Ossuary has his name on it. It identifies him as the brother of Jesus. Might be a forgery, but probably not.
Given that there are multiple independent historical sources outside of the Gospel narratives that identify James as the brother of Jesus (and therefore an eyewitness to Christ's existence), I'd say that the hypothesis with the best fit for the available evidence is that he he existed, and that the claims of his relation to Jesus are true.
- Supposedly not only a disciple of Jesus but also his brother, so I'd say that makes him a claimed eyewitness to Christ's existence.
- Discussed by numerous Biblical authors in independent texts (namely Epistles and Acts) other than the Gospels - in fact, they were written before the Gospels were. Also mentioned by name in the Antiquities, and identified as the brother of Jesus. This was recording a non-Biblical event, so evidently the source for this account is not the Bible itself, even though it supports the identity and role of the individual in question.
- The James Ossuary has his name on it. It identifies him as the brother of Jesus. Might be a forgery, but probably not.
Given that there are multiple independent historical sources outside of the Gospel narratives that identify James as the brother of Jesus (and therefore an eyewitness to Christ's existence), I'd say that the hypothesis with the best fit for the available evidence is that he he existed, and that the claims of his relation to Jesus are true.
Because the burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim. Otherwise everything exists. Theres no proof leprechauns and werewolves don't exist.. But we can't go around assuming that they do! That's the problem when you take that stance.
I'm not a atheist because I have proof god doesn't exist. I'm an atheist because you haven't proved he does.
I'm not a atheist because I have proof god doesn't exist. I'm an atheist because you haven't proved he does.
K
Awwww you earn one point! You got me on that one.Was still kind of rude to say tho.I've been a part of atheist forums but they would not let me even ask a question. I didnt preach God just asked a question.Entire room ripped me to pieces. Only one person apologized and said they had had bad experiences with Christians.
I would like to say that even if someone did prove that evolution was more than just animals that closely resemble each other but the actual origins of life itself, it still would have nothing to do with God. We have actually not been given any reason to not believe that God did not use such a thing in creation anywhere, and the idea that it would be proof against Him wouldnt mean anything at all.
I dont believe any of those things ever even have anything to do with God anyway
I dont believe any of those things ever even have anything to do with God anyway