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[kennethcadwell]

P115 is the oldest manuscript including the number of the beast and dates to the 3rd century, ca. 225-275 AD. This manuscript says 616 and not 666. In fact, in the 2nd century, Irenaeus knew about the 616 reading but rejected it to fit his theology.

You got that off of wikipedia, and wikipedia is full of a lot of false information so tread lightly when using that information.
And the papyrus P47 I gave you is dated in the early 3rd century before 225.........As the Chester Betty papyri is a collection of manuscripts from the 2nd century to the early 3rd century.

 

[prove-all]

Why there is satan throne in the Vatican threads out everywhere, is it true ?

 

[prove-all]

Maybe if a WW3 starts those nations in the western part of the European union should be looked at, but when it comes to the nations that follow the man of sin the OT prophecies tell us who they are. It lists Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Greece, Sudan, and Ethiopia..........

hellow friend, my view is still firm on the head of the snake , iran that funded the state ,

and made the thing what we see today, my views posted here on that


http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/108140-iran-new-persia-rise-empire.html?highlight


but been burning the midnight oil, and my wife wants her mouse now,


and it is the beginging of the day time, got to go, be back soon ,


time to work outside, so i can see better

 

[blue_ladybug]

hellow friend, my view is still firm on the head of the snake , iran that funded the state ,

and made the thing what we see today, my views posted here on that


http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/108140-iran-new-persia-rise-empire.html?highlight


but been burning the midnight oil, and my wife wants her mouse now,


and it is the beginging of the day time, got to go, be back soon ,


time to work outside, so i can see better

your wife wants her MOUSE??

 

[twotwo]

You got that off of wikipedia, and wikipedia is full of a lot of false information so tread lightly when using that information.
And the papyrus P47 I gave you is dated in the early 3rd century before 225.........As the Chester Betty papyri is a collection of manuscripts from the 2nd century to the early 3rd century.

P47 is not better or reliable than p115. There is definitively a serious debate with the number of the beast. Well-known scholars do think that the original reading is 616 based on solid evidences. Others don’t. Personally, the arguments of the 616 proponents are more realistic scientifically. It would be interesting to hear the opinion of the OP on this topic.

 

[tourist]

your wife wants her MOUSE??

Maybe she wants her 'mousse'?

 

[kennethcadwell]

P47 is not better or reliable than p115. There is definitively a serious debate with the number of the beast. Well-known scholars do think that the original reading is 616 based on solid evidences. Others don’t. Personally, the arguments of the 616 proponents are more realistic scientifically. It would be interesting to hear the opinion of the OP on this topic.

That is your point of view because I have read from many well known scholars that 666 is the correct usage..
But the fact remains that the one I gave from the early 3rd century has Chi Xi Stigma, or what has been translated 666. Yet the banner worn on the heads and right arms of the Islamic's is very similar to those markings that John spoke of seeing placed in those same positions. People are trying so hard to make peoples names add up to 666 or even 616, but all attempts have felled....Hitler, Stalin, and even some of our presidents like Reagan and Obama. None have lived up to and fulfilled the prophecy, especially when people are looking in the wrong location any way................

Revelation 2:13 shows us satan's seat (throne) is in Turkey, and in Revelation 13:2 shows satan giving the man of sin his throne. Turkey is the key !!!

 

[Echo]

Re: Revelation

In Revelation 13:18 what did John really see;


We have been commonly been told the number of the beast being 666, but is this what John really saw ???

In the original Greek text we have John seeing the following symbolism for Chi Xi Stigma;

John in the previous verses 16 and 17 says where this mark is placed and that it is his name, and we have for the placing of his mark the Greek words Charagma and Dexios.

Charagma:
Original Word: χάραγμα, ατος, τό
a. a stamp, an imprinted mark: of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the badge of the followers of Antichrist,Revelation 13:16;Revelation 14:9, 11; Revelation 15:2 Rec.; (πυρός, the mark branded upon horses, Anacreon () 26 (55), 2).
b. thing carved, sculpture, graven work: of idolatrous images, Acts 17:29. (In various other senses in Greek writings from Sophocles down.)



Dexios:
Original Word: δεξιός, ά, όν
Definition
the right hand or side


Now we have the original meanings for these words that show it can be a mark on the forehead and/or the right hand or arm. Now lets look at Chi Xi Stigma side by side with the headbands and armbands they where, and see if you see the similarities;

This is worn by those who follow the Islamic system on their heads and right arms...........

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You can't be right for the simple fact that you can buy, or sell without that symbol? You can't buy, or sell without the Universal Product(s) Code & Social Security Number. Revelation describes a one world religious economic system. Even the word of God has become economical... it's all about money!!

Our founding fathers were Islamic, but started America under the guise of Christianity. Therefore explaining the scripture... "had two horns like a lamb, but spake as a dragon". The Clinton Global Initiative & Clinton Foundation have the crescent moon in the logo. It is formed by the stars.

August 19, 1946 + William Jefferson Blythe III + Islamic Antichrist + Islam = (173) + (252) + (187) + (54) = 666.
George Washington = (187) = Islamic Antichrist = Holy Roman Empire.
Vatican City: Rome, Italy + Satanic Network + The Muslim Brotherhood = (245) + (173) + (248) = 666.

It never states in Revelation that his name adds to 666. It reads... and his number is 666. It also reads... you can't buy without the number of his name. The number is the Social Security Number & his name is Franklin Delano Roosevelt... the 33rd Degree Freemason President who issued it!

Social Security Number = (252) = William Jefferson Blythe III. The last two popes add to (252)... Pope Benedict XVI + Pope Francis.

 

[blue_ladybug]

the mark of the beast is NOT either the UPC code OR a Social Security number.. It will be a mark that we WILLINGLY AND KNOWINGLY will take..and the mark is NOT an RFID chip, either..It would be too easy for someone to dig it out of their skin should they decide they no longer want it...

 

[Echo]

the mark of the beast is NOT either the UPC code OR a Social Security number.. It will be a mark that we WILLINGLY AND KNOWINGLY will take..and the mark is NOT an RFID chip, either..It would be too easy for someone to dig it out of their skin should they decide they no longer want it...

You willingly accept the Social Security Number, and you willingly purchase everything with the Universal Product(s) Code tattooed on it. It is scanned with the right hand. When someone opens their own business... they can't get their product delivered to their place of business, without the UPC.

ASCII = American Standard Code for Information Interchange. Global Trade Item Number + American Standard Code for Information Interchange = (217) + (449) = 666.
Universal Product Code + Global Trade Item Number + William Henry Gates III = (245) + (217) + (204) = 666.

You can replace Universal Product(s) Code with Vatican City: Rome, Italy​.

 

[tourist]

You don't need your social security number to buy anything. The UPC code is on the product and not on your right hand or forehead. You are making up all of this crazy stuff for your own amusement. There are literally millions of ways to come up with the number 666. I asked you before and will ask again. How does this information presented benefit my life?

 

[kodiak]

You willingly accept the Social Security Number, and you willingly purchase everything with the Universal Product(s) Code tattooed on it. It is scanned with the right hand. When someone opens their own business... they can't get their product delivered to their place of business, without the UPC.

ASCII = American Standard Code for Information Interchange. Global Trade Item Number + American Standard Code for Information Interchange = (217) + (449) = 666.
Universal Product Code + Global Trade Item Number + William Henry Gates III = (245) + (217) + (204) = 666.

You can replace Universal Product(s) Code with Vatican City: Rome, Italy​.

When I was born, I was given a social security number, I did not willingly accept it...I work at a grocery store as a cashier...I scan with my left hand. I have to type in the upc code....the bar code is what is scanned. There are also items without a code...you just enter a price under a category for that item.... So these codes are not necessary for purchasing.

 

[Echo]

When I was born, I was given a social security number, I did not willingly accept it...I work at a grocery store as a cashier...I scan with my left hand. I have to type in the upc code....the bar code is what is scanned. There are also items without a code...you just enter a price under a category for that item.... So these codes are not necessary for purchasing.

You people fall under the category of Deceivers & Scoffers. Don't say that I didn't warn you! I am not going to try to convince you of what is already obvious.
I can tell you one thing... you will never convince me that I am wrong, for the simple fact that God revealed this to me... not man. Man will lie to make a profit... but God will never lie.
Only the wise will understand! Apparently you're not in this category. You people are in love with the world & dread that the end is near.

You scoffers need to read Ezekiel... chapters 1 & 2. Unidentified Flying Objects + Holy Spirit + The Angel in the Whirlwind = (267) + (151) + (248) = 666. Osama Bin Laden + Al-Qaeda = (110) + (41) = (151) = Jesus Christ = Jesus is Lord = Vicar of Christ.
Pay special attention to Ezekiel chapter 2!!!

 

[blue_ladybug]

You people fall under the category of Deceivers & Scoffers. Don't say that I didn't warn you! I am not going to try to convince you of what is already obvious.
I can tell you one thing... you will never convince me that I am wrong, for the simple fact that God revealed this to me... not man. Man will lie to make a profit... but God will never lie.
Only the wise will understand! Apparently you're not in this category. You people are in love with the world & dread that the end is near.

You scoffers need to read Ezekiel... chapters 1 & 2. Unidentified Flying Objects + Holy Spirit + The Angel in the Whirlwind = (267) + (151) + (248) = 666. Osama Bin Laden + Al-Qaeda = (110) + (41) = (151) = Jesus Christ = Jesus is Lord = Vicar of Christ.
Pay special attention to Ezekiel chapter 2!!!

I'm sorry, but you are sooo mistaken.. people don't scan items with their right hand..alot of times, I see cashiers hold items with BOTH hands, or just the left hand.. You rely on numerology for your information, and that's a dangerous thing to do..not every number adds up to the mark of the beast.. YOU have an SS #, and YOU bring items to the cashier line to be scanned. So stop being so high and mighty in thinking you know it all.. ONLY GOD KNOWS ALL...

 

[breno785au]

You people fall under the category of Deceivers & Scoffers. Don't say that I didn't warn you! I am not going to try to convince you of what is already obvious.
I can tell you one thing... you will never convince me that I am wrong, for the simple fact that God revealed this to me... not man. Man will lie to make a profit... but God will never lie.
Only the wise will understand! Apparently you're not in this category. You people are in love with the world & dread that the end is near.

You scoffers need to read Ezekiel... chapters 1 & 2. Unidentified Flying Objects + Holy Spirit + The Angel in the Whirlwind = (267) + (151) + (248) = 666. Osama Bin Laden + Al-Qaeda = (110) + (41) = (151) = Jesus Christ = Jesus is Lord = Vicar of Christ.
Pay special attention to Ezekiel chapter 2!!!

Ok, so let me suppose this is all true. The upc is the mark of the beast, what does one do now about it? How does it change their life or better yet, what have you done and what is your life like?

 

[kodiak]

You people fall under the category of Deceivers & Scoffers. Don't say that I didn't warn you! I am not going to try to convince you of what is already obvious.
I can tell you one thing... you will never convince me that I am wrong, for the simple fact that God revealed this to me... not man. Man will lie to make a profit... but God will never lie.
Only the wise will understand! Apparently you're not in this category. You people are in love with the world & dread that the end is near.

You scoffers need to read Ezekiel... chapters 1 & 2. Unidentified Flying Objects + Holy Spirit + The Angel in the Whirlwind = (267) + (151) + (248) = 666. Osama Bin Laden + Al-Qaeda = (110) + (41) = (151) = Jesus Christ = Jesus is Lord = Vicar of Christ.
Pay special attention to Ezekiel chapter 2!!!

You have yet to explain how God revealed this to you. I am so confused by all you are saying that I am getting whatever words add to 666 means they are evil. Attacking me instead of explaining what you mean to me is not going to help you get people to accept your opinion.
I could easily take: August 19, 1946 + William Jefferson Blythe III + Islamic Antichrist + Echo + bat = (173) + (252) + (187) + (31) + (23) = 666. This doesn't mean you have anything to do with the endtimes. I see that so many different things can add up to 666, how are you getting these are the answer? I am not scoffing, I want explanations.

 

[Echo]

I'm sorry, but you are sooo mistaken.. people don't scan items with their right hand..alot of times, I see cashiers hold items with BOTH hands, or just the left hand.. You rely on numerology for your information, and that's a dangerous thing to do..not every number adds up to the mark of the beast.. YOU have an SS #, and YOU bring items to the cashier line to be scanned. So stop being so high and mighty in thinking you know it all.. ONLY GOD KNOWS ALL...

American Standard Code for Information Interchange = (449) = Numerology Code for Information Interchange. This is not a coincidence. You can remain narrow minded... if you choose to do so, but I am not tagging along with you. I detect a little bit of ENVY in you. You certainly don't act like a Christian when interacting with me.

You have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof?

 

[tourist]

American Standard Code for Information Interchange = (449) = Numerology Code for Information Interchange. This is not a coincidence. You can remain narrow minded... if you choose to do so, but I am not tagging along with you. I detect a little bit of ENVY in you. You certainly don't act like a Christian when interacting with me.

You have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof?

I believe you to be mentally ill so I will give you a pass. There is no one that is envious of your disease.

 

[Echo]

You have yet to explain how God revealed this to you. I am so confused by all you are saying that I am getting whatever words add to 666 means they are evil. Attacking me instead of explaining what you mean to me is not going to help you get people to accept your opinion.
I could easily take: August 19, 1946 + William Jefferson Blythe III + Islamic Antichrist + Echo + bat = (173) + (252) + (187) + (31) + (23) = 666. This doesn't mean you have anything to do with the endtimes. I see that so many different things can add up to 666, how are you getting these are the answer? I am not scoffing, I want explanations.

The Holy Spirit revealed it to me. Unidentified Flying Objects + Holy Spirit = (267) + (151) = (418) = September 15, 1963 + Jason Anthony Kiser = (200) + (218) = (418). Add "The Angel in the Whirlwind" which equals (248) & you get 666.

The name of the church my parents helped to build was called New Hope Christian Church which adds to (248). So, what I am saying is maybe I do have something to do with the endtimes. 13 x 151 = 1963.

 

[breno785au]

Would you mind answering my question in post 95?