Sabbath

[gotime]

Here is the first mention of the Sabbath.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


according to the text which day is the Sabbath?

What did God do to this day?

Was this after or before sin?

Does God need rest?

If not then why did he rest?

 

[gotime]

Here Jesus mentions the Sabbath:

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

According to the verse,

who was the Sabbath made for, Just Jews or all of mankind?

What is the Lords Day?

when according to this verse was the Sabbath instituted?

 

[Joidevivre]

Here is the first mention of the Sabbath.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


according to the text which day is the Sabbath?

What did God do to this day?

Was this after or before sin?

Does God need rest?

If not then why did he rest?

I thought "rest" meant that he ceased work. He didn't need to rest. He just ceased his work of creation. And sin had not come into creation.

 

[gotime]

Ok so here is the Sabbath commandment in full as given to Moses by God who spoke and wrote it.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So according to the commandment itself,

what day is the Sabbath, any day or a specific day?

when was the Sabbath instituted and why?

Keep it honest use the text to answer the question.

Another Question:

Was this commandment only for the Jews? read carefully.

Are they to make it holy or keep it holy?

Does the Sabbath point forward or backwards?

 

[just-me]

My point was that there appears to be conflicting opinions amongst Christians about the sabbath observance for todays world in which Christians live out their lives. The conflicts are not just here at this forum but elsewhere too. It is confusing. I get what some are saying the point is who is right?.

To disregard the Gregorian calender is the first step in understanding the Sabbath. Without doing that it will always be a confusing mess and continuing debates and conflict. The same thing goes for the Passover and Easter. It's a mess because of human interference of compromise.

 

[gotime]

Here is the first mention of the Sabbath.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


according to the text which day is the Sabbath?

What did God do to this day?

Was this after or before sin?

Does God need rest?

If not then why did he rest?

Another Question,

Is the Sabbath pre law?

 

[gotime]

I thought "rest" meant that he ceased work. He didn't need to rest. He just ceased his work of creation. And sin had not come into creation.

When God does something He does not need to do then it is because He is giving us an example to follow. Just like Jesus getting baptized. Yes He stopped but why record it and why then bless and set the day apart as Holy.

 

[just-me]

Here is the first mention of the Sabbath.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


according to the text which day is the Sabbath?

What did God do to this day?

Was this after or before sin?

Does God need rest?

If not then why did he rest?

The Sabbath was made for man. God didn't create the Sabbath for Himself.

 

[kedge]

Then one reads a Scripture like this one found at Collosians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. According to some, Christians are not obligated to observe the sabbath but those that do should not be judged and vice versa?.

 

[gotime]

Then one reads a Scripture like this one found at Collosians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. According to some, Christians are not obligated to observe the sabbath but those that do should not be judged and vice versa?.

Well done for making scripture contradict itself, although we know it does not and if you had answered some of those questions you would see that your text is missused.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Notice the things mentioned are a shadow of things to come/future. Now we know that there are ceremonial Sabbaths in the sacrificial feasts. but what about the 7th day Sabbath does that point forward?

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

that is a negative the 7th day Sabbath points back to a finished work not forward.

I don't know why people continue to quote collosians for their point when it clearly does not refer to the 7th day Sabbath.

 

[gotime]

Well done for making scripture contradict itself, although we know it does not and if you had answered some of those questions you would see that your text is missused.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Notice the things mentioned are a shadow of things to come/future. Now we know that there are ceremonial Sabbaths in the sacrificial feasts. but what about the 7th day Sabbath does that point forward?

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

that is a negative the 7th day Sabbath points back to a finished work not forward.

I don't know why people continue to quote collosians for their point when it clearly does not refer to the 7th day Sabbath.

Actually rereading that I am not sure if you are suggesting this text goes against the Sabbath or not. sorry if I got it wrong.

blessings.

 

[kedge]

sorry if I got it wrong.

Perhaps you got it right, what do i know i'm not a Christian?, all i know is that christians all around the globe have conflicting bible based opinions on the sabbath observance. I'll leave it to you guys to fight it out, why should i believe one christian over another, i'm confused, and i am out.


Take care

 

[gotime]

Perhaps you got it right, what do i know i'm not a Christian?, all i know is that christians all around the globe have conflicting bible based opinions on the sabbath observance. I'll leave it to you guys to fight it out, why should i believe one christian over another, i'm confused, and i am out.


Take care

I find the key is let the bible speak for itself, like the scripture you posted many do use that one as you have said, but they neglect the next verse which clearly shows the 7th day Sabbath is not being spoken of.

anyway Ill let you go. have a good one.

 

[gotime]

ITs like this one:

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

two verses out of this whole chapter speak of people regarding one day above another, Yet the Sabbath is not explicitly mentioned. in fact the first verse says:

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Yet there is nothing doubtful about the Sabbath, it is clear form beginning to end. These texts are used as straw men to distract from the truth.

For them to be right here they make the bible contradict itself.

 

[skylove7]

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[kedge]

anyway Ill let you go. have a good one.

Thanks, don't mind me, tis how i get sometimes. Maybe it is just I. I'm jealous of the Christ jealous of God, they know the absolute truth of all matter, i don't, sometimes i get frustrated searching seeking, sometimes i feel like a wolfman, i just want to pound on my chest and rip out my still beating heart and bark at the moon, lol.

Perhaps i shall return another day with a calm heart.

 

[gotime]

Thanks, don't mind me, tis how i get sometimes. Maybe it is just I. I'm jealous of the Christ jealous of God, they know the absolute truth of all matter, i don't, sometimes i get frustrated searching seeking, sometimes i feel like a wolfman, i just want to pound on my chest and rip out my still beating heart and bark at the moon, lol.

Perhaps i shall return another day with a calm heart.

Your all right mate, look after yourself.

 

[sparty-g]

Notice the things mentioned are a shadow of things to come/future. Now we know that there are ceremonial Sabbaths in the sacrificial feasts. but what about the 7th day Sabbath does that point forward?

that is a negative the 7th day Sabbath points back to a finished work not forward.

I agree with the present need to remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. However, I think the Sabbath points backward to creation, presently to the Messiah, and forward to the millennial reign.

 

[kohelet]

Hmmmm, the Ten Commandments are "no longer valid" ?
I suspect you might find a few Christians who would disagree with you.

And they have been "superseded" ?
I wonder what He meant by
" ..... Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law ......."
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law ................."

Pumice, maaaaate,

If you quote this passage, you have to be consistent with it. It is obvious that Jesus is speaking of the Law of Moses. You’re unlikely to accept your own thesis since you must believe in the doing away in some form of many of the commandments of the Law of Moses, if not most. The commandments concerning the priesthood and sacrifice are one example. Food and clothing laws are another. Many of the 613 commandments no longer apply as they were written. If by the Law of Moses you mean only the moral commandments, quoting Matthew 5:17-18 doesn’t prove your point.

You include v.19, quoting it first, perhaps to emphasise its importance – and it is important, but it doesn't help your argument. It adds “these least commandments”, making it clear that more than the moral commandments are meant; the emphasis is on the entire Law with its 613 commandments.

Jesus did come to fulfil the Law but the Law of Moses did not end with His coming or with His life, but by His death. As long as He was alive He was under the Mosaic Law and had to fulfil and obey every commandment applicable to Him.

The statement you quote was made while he was living but even then he implied that the Law was being done away with. In Mark 7:19 he declares all meats clean. Can it be any clearer than this that at least these dietary laws have been done away with? Great parts of the Law no longer apply as prescribed by Moses. Have they been done away with or not? You tell me.

To claim that the Law of Moses is still in effect or that it is the same as the Law of Christ while ignoring the details of that same Law is inconsistent and a theological fallacy.

As for the word “fulfil”, the Greek term (πληρόω) is consistently used by Matthew in the context of fulfilling prophecy and bringing it to an end. Matthew 1:22-23 states that the prophecy of Isaiah was fulfilled, that this brought the prophecy to an end and so nothing in the future will fulfil it. To fulfil meant to accomplish what prophecy looked forward to. To destroy it meant to fail to accomplish it.

Jesus fulfilled the Law. The commandment relating to the Sabbath found its fulfilment in Jesus, so no similar commandment is found in the New Testament. He is our Sabbath rest. The few Christians I might find who would disagree with me would be mistaken.

 

[4enlightment]

Leviticus 26:2 “‘Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the Lord.

There were more Sabbaths than the weekly Sabbath that they suppose to keep; and no one was able to keep them all, not even the whole Jewish nation. So if anyone think that they are keeping the Sabbaths, than keep on thinking that you are. It's show that no one has been reading the old testament, but just picking out single verses and believing that it is all they need to know.