Sabbath

[gotime]

When you quote the OT concerning this you are quoting those under the old covenant, unless you can show from the OT I, a Gentile must specifically observe a Saturday Sabbath under the new covenant. Neither Jesus nor any writer of any NT book commanded any Gentile to observe a Saturday Sabbath.

I repeat my view, to insist all observe a Saturday Sabbath is to be led of the letter, rather than the Spirit.

Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

hmmmmm should I quote some verses from 1Cor1&3? Nah, I will play friendly and just say-we see this differently

And I will have to agree with you because as usual you are looking at the servant and not the King.

God never changed but our understanding of His word was corrupted and that is why we are arguing about nonsense like this

 

[michael56]

Any way this is fruitless Just hear this please what I am about to say you will think I am totally deluded about. But I pray that when you see it come to pass you will remember these words.

Soon a law will begin to travel around the world, At first it will be a simple family day on Sunday but it will not stop there, it will become more until eventually those who still keep the bible Sabbath will be blamed for all the evil that happens on earth. Laws will be passed to take away freedom to keep the true bible Sabbath.

I know you think this is foolishness but remember this on the day it comes to be.

I have life experience now of those who insist a particular day for Sabbath be observed. I will say no more for I do not wish to offend. But I know, that to insist observance of any particular day of the week as a Sabbath, is not to be led of the Holy Spirit under the new covenant, but simply relying on some of the literal letter. That alone does not lead into truth. The Pharisees of Jesus day hung everything on the literal letter-and they knew that letter inside out, yet Jesus said they did not know God

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I have life experience now of those who insist a particular day for Sabbath be observed. I will say no more for I do not wish to offend. But I know, that to insist observance of any particular day of the week as a Sabbath, is not to be led of the Holy Spirit under the new covenant, but simply relying on some of the literal letter. That alone does not lead into truth. The Pharisees of Jesus day hung everything on the literal letter-and they knew that letter inside out, yet Jesus said they did not know God

Did Yeshua keep the Sabbath?

Interesting how we would always argue without looking at the Master first...

 

[Tintin]

The New Covenant only came into effect when Christ rose from the dead.

 

[gotime]

I have life experience now of those who insist a particular day for Sabbath be observed. I will say no more for I do not wish to offend. But I know, that to insist observance of any particular day of the week as a Sabbath, is not to be led of the Holy Spirit under the new covenant, but simply relying on some of the literal letter. That alone does not lead into truth. The Pharisees of Jesus day hung everything on the literal letter-and they knew that letter inside out, yet Jesus said they did not know God

Ok I am just going to point out two things here aside from the Sabbath issue.

You often claim your experience over Scripture. Experience should line up with Scripture not dictate it.

And this whole literal letter argument is foolish, IF the scriptures say it then that is what it says. It was written by Men led by the Spirit. this seems like your get out of jail free card when you can't find a way around the Scripture.

 

[michael56]

Did Yeshua keep the Sabbath?

Interesting how we would always argue without looking at the Master first...

Jesus was born a Jew, and lived under the old covenant. He did not break the law.
Now please answer my question. In the NT where does it state a Gentile convert must observe a Saturday Sabbath?

 

[gotime]

Did Yeshua keep the Sabbath?

Interesting how we would always argue without looking at the Master first...

Amen look to the master and see.

Luk_4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

and:

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

 

[gotime]

Jesus was born a Jew, and lived under the old covenant. He did not break the law.
Now please answer my question. In the NT where does it state a Gentile convert must observe a Saturday Sabbath?

Did Jesus teach old covenant of new?

 

[michael56]

Ok I am just going to point out two things here aside from the Sabbath issue.

You often claim your experience over Scripture. Experience should line up with Scripture not dictate it.

And this whole literal letter argument is foolish, IF the scriptures say it then that is what it says. It was written by Men led by the Spirit. this seems like your get out of jail free card when you can't find a way around the Scripture.

No, the Holy Spirit leads into truth.
The literal letter argument is not foolish, but it will obviously seem so to anyone who hinges their faith/beliefs on the literal letter alone. The spiritual reality is, those under the new covenant do not need to set aside any specific day as their Sabbath, for God will accept their worship equally any of the seven days. That is the reality. God is concerned with the heart, and whether the person will take up their cross and follow after his son. That is the spiritual reality, not which day you go to church

 

[michael56]

Did Jesus teach old covenant of new?

Answer my question please. Give me a verse of scripture where it is stated Gentile converts under the new covenant must observe a Saturday Sabbath. Please do not try and theologise according to your opinions.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Jesus was born a Jew, and lived under the old covenant. He did not break the law.
Now please answer my question. In the NT where does it state a Gentile convert must observe a Saturday Sabbath?

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Friend, if you believe that Yeshua and the Father are one you will have difficulty explaining this verse. The question you have to ask yourself did Yeshua only preached to the Jews or did He preach to the gentiles as well.

 

[michael56]

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Friend, if you believe that Yeshua and the Father are one you will have difficulty explaining this verse. The question you have to ask yourself did Yeshua only preached to the Jews or did He preach to the gentiles as well.

It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood Acts 15:19&20

Do you understand that verse better than Christ's disciples and the leaders of the Christian church in the NT?

 

[michael56]

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Friend, if you believe that Yeshua and the Father are one you will have difficulty explaining this verse. The question you have to ask yourself did Yeshua only preached to the Jews or did He preach to the gentiles as well.

He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel Matt15:24

 

[gotime]

No, the Holy Spirit leads into truth.
The literal letter argument is not foolish, but it will obviously seem so to anyone who hinges their faith/beliefs on the literal letter alone. The spiritual reality is, those under the new covenant do not need to set aside any specific day as their Sabbath, for God will accept their worship equally any of the seven days. That is the reality. God is concerned with the heart, and whether the person will take up their cross and follow after his son. That is the spiritual reality, not which day you go to church

Tell me what is it about the Sabbath that you hate so much?

 

[michael56]

Tell me what is it about the Sabbath that you hate so much?

I don't hate anything about a person setting aside a specific day of the week as Sabbath to God, if that is what they choose to do. The problem arises when they insist everyone else does as they do regarding which day they choose to set aside. That is being led of the letter, not the spiritual reality

 

[Tintin]

Tell me what is it about the Sabbath that you hate so much?

He doesn't. He loves Jesus.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel Matt15:24

Yes, I like your answer. Who is the lost sheep of Israel. Definitely not the Jews my friend, they are not lost. God gave Israel the bill of divorce not the Jews. Jeremiah 3:8

 

[gotime]

I don't hate anything about a person setting aside a specific day of the week as Sabbath to God, if that is what they choose to do. The problem arises when they insist everyone else does as they do regarding which day they choose to set aside. That is being led of the letter, not the spiritual reality

From your understanding maybe, but prophecy shows the last day issue will be over the commandments of God.

Now no one disagrees on nine of them, but one there is controversy. and If you understand Revelation the whole thing takes place in the Sanctuary and the commandments are none other than the 10 as John say.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Wrath comes from the place the law resides:

Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Rev 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

Satan hates those who keep Gods commandments:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

And those who keep them are different to those who receive the Mark of the beast:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

the Antichrist power changes the law:

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

and it shall be a religious persuasion who does so:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

So we know that the faithful will keep the law, we know that Satan hates those who keep the law, we know that Judgment is connected with the law.

So which part is it? Seems only one part that is in contention, namely the Sabbath.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

He doesn't. He loves Jesus.

We all love Yeshua but there are some principal believes that needs to be addressed