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hello brethren as far as my wisdom that God has brought to my mind is this that yes the bible was written by the Spirit coming upon man but with that being said Moses one of the greatest prophets in all time wrote in the bible that you could give out the law of divorcement . And if I remember correctly wickedness with adultery and fornication was running rampant and a lot of men had their wives be killed for the sake of getting with another....My point though is this when the Lord came He corrected the law of divorcement saying it was not so in the beginning and not what God had intended in fact there is no marriage in heaven for the Lord said we would be given to each other like the angels. So anyhow with this example here is an example that Moses because of their hardness of heart and stiffneckedness he choose to give them the law of divorcement out of his will not God's. And some would be offended at that statement or would say that it still was the Spirit came upon him in regards to divorcement and yet the Lord said that Moses gave us this because of the hardness of hearts but never the less the Lord said that MOSES gave it to us....and I would certainly say it is possible that this same situation the day of the Sabbath that Peter like Moses seeing the arguments and hardness of hearts went ahead and let them choose as long as they had a Sabbath a day to worship and praise and pray to God. Now that you see the similarities between the two I pray you hear this that I am not so ignorant to believe that because I serve him on Fri.. sundown to sat. sundown that there is less love in a Sunday church for this is not an amount of anything that I can do to receive His salvation but honestly the reason I feel the Sabbath is sat for my heart has been convicted to do so for I also see it as my walk of obedience from me to Him and again I do not intend to offend for I also know that what is most precious I believe to God is our hearts and come Judgement Day I am in which there will be my heart and a Sunday Sabbath day church goer heart and He may bring them closer not my sat heart. So basically if your heart be convicted for Sat in which Jesus observed than follow that conviction through the Holy Spirit and be obedient I have wondered how the Lord reacted Him being the perfect sacrifice observing the law including observing the Sabbath to have it in today's time be changed to sun when it was not so in the beginning and so as far as searching hearts like I stated earlier if convicted than do so but if you are sun person I would only caution you in checking your humility factor for I know a few that were quick with their anger when trying to speak about this subject , but you know I have also known some Sat. hearts quick to anger as well
So if I acted on a Sunday towards God as you acted on Saturday(identically) in your opinion God will be more pleased with you than me?
As you appear to accept the law God desires a person to keep under the new covenant is placed on their heart and written on their mind by the Spirit. As you also agree, sin is transgression of the law. How can you believe anyone loves Jesus if they do not have heartfelt conviction they are sinning by refusing to observe specifically a Saturday Sabbath? For if God requires a person to observe that particular law, that law must be placed on their heart and written on their mind, therefore they must have heartfelt conviction they commit sin by not following it. If they have no heartfelt conviction they sin, by not observing a Saturday Sabbath, either God has not put that law in their mind and on their heart, or they cannot be saved.
As you appear to accept the law God desires a person to keep under the new covenant is placed on their heart and written on their mind by the Spirit. As you also agree, sin is transgression of the law. How can you believe anyone loves Jesus if they do not have heartfelt conviction they are sinning by refusing to observe specifically a Saturday Sabbath? For if God requires a person to observe that particular law, that law must be placed on their heart and written on their mind, therefore they must have heartfelt conviction they commit sin by not following it. If they have no heartfelt conviction they sin, by not observing a Saturday Sabbath, either God has not put that law in their mind and on their heart, or they cannot be saved.
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Here is an interesting article entitled: Are the Sabbath laws binding on Christians today?
In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons.
The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.
The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath.
In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle.
There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai.
When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers.
The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them.
In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath).
In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers).
The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship (contrary to the claim of many seventh-day sabbatarians who claim that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century).
Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord's Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11).
In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons.
The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.
The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath.
In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle.
There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai.
When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers.
The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them.
In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath).
In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers).
The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship (contrary to the claim of many seventh-day sabbatarians who claim that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century).
Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord's Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11).
Michael, I cannot judge you and your relationship with God, but what we can do is look at the King how he led His life on earth. Will we be able to replicate that exactly? Of course not and we can only strive to be like Yeshua. But my friend if I am a follower of Yeshua I try to walk in His footsteps and that should be my goal. Yeshua was a Jew and we will be Israel someday because we will be grafted into the vine. The Bible only discuss three groups of people the Jews, Israel and the dogs (those out of covenant).
Yeshua came for the house of Israel to re-instate the covenant as He divorced Israel 1 Kings 11.
Yeshua came for the house of Israel to re-instate the covenant as He divorced Israel 1 Kings 11.
You haven't addressed the point made, for that is the spiritual reality. Those born again under the new covenant do not need to look to a specific day of the week to set aside as a Sabbath. That also is the spiritual reality. Incidentally, I have found through experience that those who most insist a certain day is set aside as a Sabbath have the most trouble identifying sin in their life-and glaring sin at that. None are perfect, but not to have a conscience at flagrant sin is something I do not understand in the Christian faith
And what I can pick up is that you are prepared to quote verses that you understand better than me and are not interested in going into a conversation over it. Did Yeshua lie in these verses when He said He is only here for the lost sheep or did His mission change? Remember, my Bible tells me God never changed. Who is lying here? Yeshua or Matthew or the translators of the Bible.
You over analyse things in my opinion. Jesus earthly ministry was primarily to the Israelites, though his death at Calvary for was for all who would accept him as their saviour. Most I know take that view.
However, if you accept the law God requires a person to keep is written on their heart and placed on their mind at the point of conversion, you have to come to the belief, with your beliefs no one can be a Christian unless they have a conscience they are sinning before God by not observing a Saturday Sabbath. That is spiritual truth, but you do not want to face it in my opinion. Anyone can have opinions, and produce bible verses to back them up, for the bible is a big book and you can quote selectively, however, as you accept the law is placed within a Christian, you should see what I am telling you is correct
[SUP] [/SUP]Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. [SUP]22 [/SUP]A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
[SUP]24 [/SUP]He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
[SUP]25 [/SUP]The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment matt15:21-28
[SUP]24 [/SUP]He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
[SUP]25 [/SUP]The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment matt15:21-28