Sabbath

[john832]

Here is an interesting article entitled: Are the Sabbath laws binding on Christians today?

In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons.

The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.
The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath.

In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).

Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle.

There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai.

When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers.

The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them.

In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath).

In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers).

The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship (contrary to the claim of many seventh-day sabbatarians who claim that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century).

Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord's Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11).

Couple of problems here...

The first of which is Christ was NOT resurrected on Sunday. That is the problem with a Good Friday, Sunday morning tradition. It is not scriptural

The second problem here is what you call the Lord's day...

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Show me a scripture that labels Sunday as the Lord's day. It ain't there.

 

[john832]

Ah I see, you have theology that can insist on what no writer of any NT book insisted on for Gentile converts.
My belief is simple. God will accept your praise and worship any day of the seven equally. To believe otherwise is to be led of the letter, not the Spirit.

Hmmm, seems to me that the Commandments apply to both Jew and Gentile...

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

 

[john832]

So if I acted on a Sunday towards God as you acted on Saturday(identically) in your opinion God will be more pleased with you than me?

Uh, in other words, if you rewrite His Commandments to suit yourself, He will be just as happy as if you kept the ones He gave you?

 

[john832]

Do we need to keep the sabbath? I dunno if I posted about this but I am still confused.

Matthew 5:19 says that if you ignore the least of these commands you get the least position in heaven. So can someone please explain this to me?

btw, what is the purpose of the Sabbath and why is it so hard to keep?

Jesus said...


Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

But there is a problem...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

And the problem is not with God or His Commandments.

 

[michael56]

Uh, in other words, if you rewrite His Commandments to suit yourself, He will be just as happy as if you kept the ones He gave you?

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters Rom 14:1

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. verse 5

I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean verse 14
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. verse 20

So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God verse 22

Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand matt13:13

 

[john832]

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters Rom 14:1

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. verse 5

I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean verse 14
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. verse 20

So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God verse 22

Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand matt13:13

The above post is a good example of what happens when one approaches the scripture with a preconceived idea and then only reads a verse or two, out of context, looking for support for their own ideas.

Romans 14...

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

The first thing we see here is that this chapter is about relating to a weak brother.

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

The subject here? Vegetarianism

Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

So, if you encounter one who is weak in the faith and believes he must eat vegetables only, don’t let this puff you up…

2Co 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

What is the gold standard here?

1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Now to the meat and potatoes…

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Why is eating and fasting (not eating) connected to days here? Let’s see…

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

From Bullingers Companion Bible…

Luke 18:12


twice in the week. The law prescribed only one in the year (Lev_16:29. Num_29:7). By the time of Zec_8:19 there were four yearly fasts. In our Lord's day they were bi-weekly (Monday and Thursday), between Passover and Pentecost; and between the Feast of Tabernacles and the Dedication.

Yes they fasted two days a week, Monday and Thursday, EVERY MONDAY and EVERY THURSDAY.

Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Now Paul shifts his attention to meat offered to idols. At the time, meat and drink were offered to pagan idols. After it was offered it was sold in a meat market called the ‘Shambles’.

1Co 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

Shambles…

G3111
μάκελλον
makellon
Thayer Definition:
1) a place where meat and other articles of food are sold, meat market
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Latin origin [macellum]
Citing in TDNT: 4:370, 549

There were those who were weak in the faith (verse 1) who were offended by this. They somehow thought that eating that food was somehow connecting them with the idolatrous practices around them. This is why the following is written…

Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Meat here is…

G1035
βρῶσις
brōsis
bro'-sis
From the base of G977; (abstractly) eating (literally or figuratively); by extension (concretely) food (literally or figuratively): - eating, food, meat.

Notice it is food, not clean or unclean flesh.

G4213
πόσις
posis
pos'-is
From the alternate of G4095; a drinking (the act), that is, (concretely) a draught: - drink.

Drinking, can be alcoholic or non-alcoholic beverages. Paul was dealing with ascetism and the belief that doing without was somehow a show of character. He dealt with this issue at Colossae also…

Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

The word for meat here is broma, from Thayer’s…

G1033
βρῶμα
brōma
Thayer Definition:
1) that which is eaten, food
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the base of G977
Citing in TDNT: 1:642, 111

Again, we are dealing with food.

Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

So, it is not dealing with clean and unclean, but with flesh (meat) and wine (drink) that makes a weak brother stumble.

Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

There is no passage in Rom 14 that deals with the Sabbath or clean and unclean meats. The subjects are vegetarianism, fasting and food and drink offered to idols.

 

[michael56]

The above post is a good example of what happens when one approaches the scripture with a preconceived idea and then only reads a verse or two, out of context, looking for support for their own ideas.

Romans 14...

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

The first thing we see here is that this chapter is about relating to a weak brother.

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

The subject here? Vegetarianism

Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

So, if you encounter one who is weak in the faith and believes he must eat vegetables only, don’t let this puff you up…

2Co 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

What is the gold standard here?

1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Now to the meat and potatoes…

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Why is eating and fasting (not eating) connected to days here? Let’s see…

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

From Bullingers Companion Bible…

Luke 18:12


twice in the week. The law prescribed only one in the year (Lev_16:29. Num_29:7). By the time of Zec_8:19 there were four yearly fasts. In our Lord's day they were bi-weekly (Monday and Thursday), between Passover and Pentecost; and between the Feast of Tabernacles and the Dedication.

Yes they fasted two days a week, Monday and Thursday, EVERY MONDAY and EVERY THURSDAY.

Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Now Paul shifts his attention to meat offered to idols. At the time, meat and drink were offered to pagan idols. After it was offered it was sold in a meat market called the ‘Shambles’.

1Co 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

Shambles…

G3111
μάκελλον
makellon
Thayer Definition:
1) a place where meat and other articles of food are sold, meat market
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Latin origin [macellum]
Citing in TDNT: 4:370, 549

There were those who were weak in the faith (verse 1) who were offended by this. They somehow thought that eating that food was somehow connecting them with the idolatrous practices around them. This is why the following is written…

Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Meat here is…

G1035
βρῶσις
brōsis
bro'-sis
From the base of G977; (abstractly) eating (literally or figuratively); by extension (concretely) food (literally or figuratively): - eating, food, meat.

Notice it is food, not clean or unclean flesh.

G4213
πόσις
posis
pos'-is
From the alternate of G4095; a drinking (the act), that is, (concretely) a draught: - drink.

Drinking, can be alcoholic or non-alcoholic beverages. Paul was dealing with ascetism and the belief that doing without was somehow a show of character. He dealt with this issue at Colossae also…

Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

The word for meat here is broma, from Thayer’s…

G1033
βρῶμα
brōma
Thayer Definition:
1) that which is eaten, food
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the base of G977
Citing in TDNT: 1:642, 111

Again, we are dealing with food.

Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

So, it is not dealing with clean and unclean, but with flesh (meat) and wine (drink) that makes a weak brother stumble.

Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

There is no passage in Rom 14 that deals with the Sabbath or clean and unclean meats. The subjects are vegetarianism, fasting and food and drink offered to idols.

Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand Matt13:13

 

[john832]

Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand Matt13:13

Even after you explain it to them.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

We are in the church of people's opinions and it is clear from discussions like these

 

[pwrnJC]

Amen! Preach on...pass the offering plate, can I get a witness? but of course, this is just your opinion, right? JUSt teasing!

 

[AngelFrog]

Friend let us not fight over this. We should explain to the lost sheep why they are the lost sheep and keep the revelation of the Word to the Holy Spirit

So, you don't go to church then.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God gave us a day of rest for a reason. Don't ask questions just do it. Our body needs it, I think God knows best what we need.

At the same time, lets not get all religious (turn to legalism), and make the day of rest something it was never intended to be.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

So, you don't go to church then.

OK, I didn't get that information from my answer but it would be interesting to find out your view on this?

 

[AngelFrog]

I think people who are trying to discount others for keeping the Sabbath on a Saturday lose credibility if they go to church on Sunday. They also would demonstrate a lack of understanding of scripture. God said the Sabbath is eternal. Keeping the Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments. Those weren't done away with. Jesus even said that all the commandments hinge on loving God and loving one's neighbor as themselves.

Upon reflection of the tenor some posts here have taken can people say they've demonstrated love for their posting neighbor in discussing this topic? A topic concerned with giving praise to God and taking rest as his faithful children?

Romans 14:5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

Colossians 2:16–17

Let No One Disqualify You
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

 

[AngelFrog]

OK, I didn't get that information from my answer but it would be interesting to find out your view on this?

I asked you the question.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I asked you the question.

I am sorry, it looked like a statement because I didn't see a question mark. I do go to church.

 

[AngelFrog]

I am sorry, it looked like a statement because I didn't see a question mark. I do go to church.

It was a statement based on your proclamations in this thread. It also invoked an answer if I was mistaken.

You realize of course how Sunday became the day of worship outside of that which was originally ordained in scripture? (Saturday) Or am I mistaken?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

It was a statement based on your proclamations in this thread. It also invoked an answer if I was mistaken.

You realize of course how Sunday became the day of worship outside of that which was originally ordained in scripture? (Saturday) Or am I mistaken?

You can give me your opinion. Always good to study with fellow believers

 

[sparty-g]

You are still looking to the literal letter, not the Spiritual reality. Again, please show me anywhere in scripture where it is stated a Gentile convert under the new covenant must observe a Saturday sabbath

michael56, I love your passion for Messiah and look forward to seeing you in heaven. However, I respectfully disagree with your position with regards to the seventh day Sabbath and what you say here. Four quick thoughts:

1. On the need to identify a verse that explicitly states a Gentile convert under the new covenant must observe a Saturday sabbath: I believe you are starting with a false axiomatic presupposition. This reasoning assumes it is incumbent upon God to have to re-enumerate His will for His children. I do not believe this to be the case. He has already spoken it once and it was recorded for posterity. There is no need for Him to have to list it all again after the cross, particularly in a way in which we would be expected to piece it together from multiple authors and letters. He already met with Moses and laid it all out. The repetition and the deeper Spiritual and theological explorations of the NT writings is to our benefit, for sure, but I see this as better understanding the path we're walking, not God being required to lay down every individual stone again. This assumption of necessity of re-enumeration is what leads to, in my opinion, the false premise that if something is not explicitly repeated in the NT writings, then it's not for Christians. Bestiality is not explicitly mentioned in the NT writings (as far as I know), but everyone knows it is a sin because God has already spoken on the matter.

2. On conviction by the Spirit: we shouldn't assume that the Sabbath isn't for Christians just because a large number of them don't feel convicted about not keeping it. The truth is that there are a number of people who do feel convicted about not keeping it. Moreover, the large number of denominations and all with their different understanding of the Christian walk is evidence enough that conviction is not uniformly received across the body of believers, or else there would be one denomination and we would all be walking in the same manner. So the question becomes: why isn't this conviction being uniformly received? I would contend that it's because we let ourselves and the world get in the way of it. Our own desires, our own thoughts, our own traditions, the ways of those around us, etc. -- all these things get in the way and direct our paths. For example, you and I clearly have different convictions on this matter, so there's all the evidence we need that there are other influences aside from the Spirit. We both have the Spirit, yet we both agree that one of us is being pulled in the right direction on the matter and the other is not. So, if the Sabbath is for Christians, it is not surprising to me at all that a large number of believers could be misled on the issue. Majority opinion is not the standard of truth. Anyone who is a Protestant inherently agrees that the majority was wrong on several important doctrinal issues for roughly 1,200 years. If the Catholic majority was right historically, then we'd all be Catholics today.

3. On the literal letter: I agree, the letter kills. The Torah-Law identifies God's will for His children, which means it identifies sin (being transgression of that will). Anyone outside of covenant relationship with God is dead as a transgressor of that will because they are subject to the penalty that transgression brings: death. But anyone within covenant relationship with God is made alive through the Messiah because He has paid that penalty for us. So yes, the letter on its own kills apart from relationship with God. And to rely on the our own works for salvation is death. But for those in relationship with God, who rely on Him for salvation and have received it, the Torah-Law is a tree of life to those who grasp it (Prov. 3:17-18). The Spirit gives life but this does not mean the Spirit automatically excludes the letter. King David had a circumcised heart and the Spirit of God. The letter didn't kill him regardless of his terrible transgressions. He had found favor with God and was in relationship with Him. He rejoiced in the Torah-Law (cf., Psalms 119) and found it to be freedom.

4. Finally, on disputable matters: you and I understand this differently. In my view, a disputable matter is one not covered by God in His instructions. But God's Torah-Law is not disputable; i.e., it's not for us to make up our own minds about. For example, in Romans 14 the issue is vegetarianism, of which there are no direct commands in the Torah-Law on how to handle the specific situation being discussed in that chapter. So, it becomes a disputable matter. The Sabbath, on the other hand, has commands and plenty of evidence about its blessing, holiness, and consecration for observance. Thus, it is not a disputable matter. We may disagree about it, and we certainly do, but this does not make it matter on which we are able to come up with our own ruling, and whichever ruling we come up with is fine. No, God has His ruling on the matter and our duty is to discover that truth. A disputable matter is: "You are convinced of your way, I am convinced of my way, and both are acceptable." But on the Sabbath, "You have your way and I have my way" isn't going to cut it. There is one way: His. Now, what is His way?

In the end of all this, we are going to disagree for the time being. So for now, our only option is to respectfully agree to disagree. We can continue to discuss if we feel it's profitable to simply share what we personally believe, but the root of it is we are all starting with different assumptions on foundational issues regarding the Torah-Law, the New Covenant, and more. Our Sabbath views are really a result of these other assumptions, so discussing it purely in isolation is impossible.

 

[AngelFrog]

You can give me your opinion. Always good to study with fellow believers

It isn't an opinion it is a historic fact.

"For six days, the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and on the seventh day, he rested; therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it."
Exodus 20:11

Sabbath falls from sundown Friday unto sundown Saturday.
The Roman Catholics changed that to Sunday because they were persecuted by the Roman authority for worshiping God on Saturday, "Saturns Day" , in polytheistic Rome wherein the Sun God was worshiped on his day; Sun-day.

While the Bible has no scripture in the new testament that decrees God himself changed the day of Sabbath to Sunday. It remained in place even in the new testament as many scriptures attest. Even Jesus entered the temple on the Sabbath day. And the Apostles did as well after he departed this world and returned to the Father.
That day was Saturday, not Sunday.

Sunday church service is a RCC concession to ancient pagan practices. Arguing that Saturday is wrong is contrary to what scripture avows as the day of the Lord, the day of rest. While Sunday is derived from a Roman pagan worship practice wherein the sun was revered on its day; Sun-day.