What, in the name of Goodness, is the Illuminati?

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Haha no you misunderstood :p I agree with you. satan is guiding this world, and the entire earth is following him. Though I agree God is the ruler over everything, some Christians often sorta act like they forget that all His creations make their own choices, and that the earth is not following God, but satans deception, which helps them find ways to feel safe living in sin or even false religions justified by demonic influence. Yes, God is the God of ALL things, but His creations have to decide to be His people, and the earth has decided they want to be without Him long ago...

Evil does rule the earth.
 
Oh I see yeah he he he I thought you was saying that I was denying it or that you was.

Yes God is the one that is ultimately in control.

He is the glue to EVERYTHING and He holds EVERYTHING together.

Through Him and Him only do we live and breath and move.

Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being

But it is satan that rules the world. It's satan that is behind most of the worlds calamities and inhumanities.

He was around before people were, he was once the most intelligent angel in Heaven. He was the leader of music.

So he knows a thing or two about a thing or two when it comes to people.

He knows how people work much much better than you or I do.

And he knows how to use peoples desires to lead them into a life of sin and a life away from God.

It started with him deceiving Eve and using her "desires" against her.

He does the same thing today but in different ways.

He quietly whispers into their ear "surely it is not a sin". Then he lets the rest happen naturally.

He does everything and anything he can to blind people to the truth.

He is the ruler of this world, the prince of thieves, the author of lies.

But he still has to get permission from God to be able to do certain things.

Although there is no specific biblical proof that he does need permission. We see in places that he does need it before he can cause it to happen (Job 1:10).

The ultimate reality is that God controls everything in the universe, including Satan, and that “in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28).

God bless and have a great Sunday!
 
Yeraza_Bats said:
Have you not read Revelations? Or the book of Job? Or any of the four Gospels? Christ did in fact tell us that satan is on the earth, and that he prowls at you like a lion, because he knows his time is short.

I have heard of Christians who dont believe in satan, but never actually talked to one. I dont believe that you are a follower of Christ if you do not believe His many warnings about satan and his angels, or even the fact that Paul wrote that he was tormented by a messenger of satan.
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i have read revelation...and job...and all four gospels...none of them mention the location of fallen angels in 2015...
 
Yeraza_Bats said:
And I agree with everything you posted here, but the earth is guided by satan, the one God has called "the 'god' of this world". The earth is a dark and evil world that pushes away from its creator, and whether or not you believe it, almost everything in our world puts that idea into your head. The entertainment industry, the scientific community, everything that surrounds you. And thats what many of these people who talk about the illuminati are trying to point out. That the world is guided by the enemy, just as the bible tells us. And not so we will grab our guns and kill each other, but so that we may guard our hearts, keep from this evil world, and follow God.

If you actually watched a video on youtube, one of those "conspiracy theory" videos of "unbibilical teachings", like how satan guides this earth, and uses things such as the entertainment industry, youd see that they actually often are using the bible, and what they are talking about is not "we need more guns gays ruined America women need to do what I tell them" ect ect, but that there are beings working in secret against you to lead you to death, which is 100% biblical. I am sure that is what the majority of people here are talking about when they talk about the illuminati as well.

The bible warns of all of this. We are told the world will receive the mark of the beast, look up all the videos talking about the good the rfid chip will bring the world.
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your belief is self contradictory...because you are basically saying...'i agree that God is in control...but satan is in control too!'

your view of the earth as thoroughly satanic is indistinguishable from gnosticism...which is the real religion of most 'christian' conspiracy theorists...

and revelation makes it clear that when people receive the mark of the beast and affiliate with his kingdom...it will not be because they were fooled as in the conspiracy scenarios that 'christian' conspiracy theorists think they have to warn people about...it will be an open and willing act of rebellion...
 
GaryA said:
Most people do not realize just how prevalent the occult is in every society of the world today.

Most people do not realize just how much influence it has on every society of the world today.
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and most people will not realize just how -occultic- these two statements are!
 
GaryA said:
And --- most people do not realize that it has had an explosion in growth in recent years and decades...

And --- most people do not realize that a very large part of the reason for this explosion in growth in recent years and decades is due to Christians being unwilling to believe that it exists, and that it is so prevalent... :eek: :o :(
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there have always been occultists in the world and there always will be...

what is more alarming is the spread of occultic philosophies in the church...and how it is mostly being done by those who claim to be 'exposing' the 'prevalent influence' of the occult in the world!
 
Yeraza_Bats said:
We are told that satan /is/ going to overcome us in the end, and that he will not be stopped by the powers of man.
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no that is -not- what we are told!

we are told that -jesus- has overcome the world...and that we are 'more than conquerors'...and that 'he who is in us is stronger than he who is in the world'...and in revelation christ -expects- us to overcome!
 
RachelBibleStudent said:
no that is -not- what we are told!

we are told that -jesus- has overcome the world...and that we are 'more than conquerors'...and that 'he who is in us is stronger than he who is in the world'...and in revelation christ -expects- us to overcome!
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Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Revelation 13:15
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.


 
kennethcadwell said:
Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Revelation 13:15
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
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the overcoming mentioned in revelation is -temporary-

the post i made was in response to a claim that satan is going to overcome us 'in the end'
 
RachelBibleStudent said:
your belief is self contradictory...because you are basically saying...'i agree that God is in control...but satan is in control too!'

your view of the earth as thoroughly satanic is indistinguishable from gnosticism...which is the real religion of most 'christian' conspiracy theorists...

and revelation makes it clear that when people receive the mark of the beast and affiliate with his kingdom...it will not be because they were fooled as in the conspiracy scenarios that 'christian' conspiracy theorists think they have to warn people about...it will be an open and willing act of rebellion...
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"Just the facts, ma'am..."

Stop postulating such broad definitions. Stop using such "absolute-sounding big words" to try to "force-fit" your postulated broad definitions.


God is [ ultimately ] in control -- meaning, nothing happens that He does not allow. He does allow Satan to have a certain 'leeway' within the boundaries that are set by His perfect will and His plans for His creation. Thereby, Satan is "in control" - to a great extent - over all that happens on the earth. As the [ great ] "falling away" proceeds, Satan's control over wordly events increases. However, God is still [ ultimately ] in control over all things.

( "This is a very simple concept Rachel - it is not that difficult to understand..." ;) )


I believe that a view of the earth as thoroughly satanic would certainly be aligned with wide-open 'spiritual' eyes that can see the truth about what "really is" in the world today. The idea presented is not "indistinguishable from gnosticism"... :rolleyes: That is a silly thing to say. You are "reaching" - and "inventing things" - simply to try to discredit other people or their views.


I totally agree that those who "take the mark of the beast" will do so 'willingly'...


:)
 
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GaryA said:
I believe that a view of the earth as thoroughly satanic would certainly be aligned with wide-open 'spiritual' eyes that can see the truth about what "really is" in the world today. The idea presented is not "indistinguishable from gnosticism"... :rolleyes: That is a silly thing to say. You are "reaching" - and "inventing things" - simply to try to discredit other people or their views.
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your first sentence that i quote here is -exactly- what the gnostics taught...
 
RachelBibleStudent said:
your belief is self contradictory...because you are basically saying...'i agree that God is in control...but satan is in control too!'

your view of the earth as thoroughly satanic is indistinguishable from gnosticism...which is the real religion of most 'christian' conspiracy theorists...

and revelation makes it clear that when people receive the mark of the beast and affiliate with his kingdom...it will not be because they were fooled as in the conspiracy scenarios that 'christian' conspiracy theorists think they have to warn people about...it will be an open and willing act of rebellion...
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God is in control, ... Not to get complicated but God controls everything... The rose will sprout out amongst thorns, the wheat will be separated from the tare.. Souls will be tried, just the way it has to be because of the the tree of good and evil, and not the tree of life..

Isaiah
…6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these. 8"Drip down, O heavens, from above, And let the clouds pour down righteousness; Let the earth open up and salvation bear fruit, And righteousness spring up with it. I, the LORD, have created it.…
 
Tintin..I whole heartedly agree with you..THOSE that would give time and attention to this have little or NO spiritual discernment..but I blame that on their particular 'church" or denomination, if they attend a worship service at all.
 
pwrnJC said:
Tintin..I whole heartedly agree with you..THOSE that would give time and attention to this have little or NO spiritual discernment..but I blame that on their particular 'church" or denomination, if they attend a worship service at all.
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Is that an insult or just opinion ? ... Ironic, that your in here posting on said subject...
When you have some type of real life experience with this subject ... Give me a shout out
Either way, God bless...
 
GaryA said:
No it is not...

Here is a modern definition of gnosticism. Do you agree with it?

What I am talking about is far, far, from what it describes...

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dictionary definitions are by nature brief and rarely tell the whole story...

in any case...the doctrines you are promoting match several parts of the gnostic teaching even in these short definitions...

'the conviction that matter is evil'...'condemned matter as evil'...these elements are the same in essence as your claim that the physical earth is inherently evil and satanic...

'claimed possession of superior spiritual knowledge'...which describes pretty much every 'christian' conspiracy theorist -ever-...

basically the only departure of this doctrine from classic gnosticism is that the demiurge has been identified with satan and that the demiurge figure is no longer being identified as an incompetent creator but instead as a rebellious subordinate... the entirety of the remainder...from the belief in the inherently satanic nature of the material earth...to the claim of spiritual 'awakening' or 'awareness' to deep 'knowledge' of the true nature of reality available only to a select few...is 100% gnosticism...
 
RachelBibleStudent said:
dictionary definitions are by nature brief and rarely tell the whole story... { And, you have "made up" [ at least ] 95% of this one... }

in any case...the doctrines you are promoting match several parts of the gnostic teaching even in these short definitions... { I am not promoting anything 'gnostic'. You are "stretching definitions" - "on purpose" - to try to make [ what would be ] a 1% 'overlap' sound like a 99% 'overlap'. }

'the conviction that matter is evil'...'condemned matter as evil'...these elements are the same in essence as your claim that the physical earth is inherently evil and satanic... { I never said this - not even once. }

'claimed possession of superior spiritual knowledge' { Nor have I made this claim. } ...which describes pretty much every 'christian' conspiracy theorist -ever-...

basically the only departure of this doctrine from classic gnosticism is that the demiurge has been identified with satan and that the demiurge figure is no longer being identified as an incompetent creator but instead as a rebellious subordinate... the entirety of the remainder...from the belief in the inherently satanic nature of the material earth...to the claim of spiritual 'awakening' or 'awareness' to deep 'knowledge' of the true nature of reality available only to a select few... { I never said this, either. } is 100% gnosticism...
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I am afraid you have completely misunderstood. I am not claiming any special anything pertaining to knowledge, above everyone else. Any-and-all knowledge that I have - is 100% available to any-and-all who are willing to open their eyes and ears to see and hear it. There IS NO "special select few" in my view of things. That is, in fact, the 'satanic' view - and method. That is how the occult operates.

I have said nothing whatsoever about the physical / material earth being satanic. You imagined that...

I have said:

"Satan has his fingers into [ virtually ] everything on earth."

This is not gnosticism or occult. It is the scriptural truth. Satan is indeed ( currently ) "the god of this world"... ( 2 Corinthians 4:4 )

:)
 
If I may add a few points.

I agree to everything you said. In fact, the hold that Satan has over people is through his influence. The greater the influence, the greater the hold/control. We see that in the beginning with Adam and Eve - Genesis 3:1-6. Notice that it was after the serpent had influenced Eve through the deceit of what God had said, did she look and desire. Before the serpent, however, they did not disobey God. When they were only influenced by God, they were without guilt. And ever since that day, Satans influence was on men's hearts and minds and keeps getting worse. Jesus said, "As in the days of Noah, so shall it be for the coming of the Son of Man" - Matthew 24:36-39. As it was in the days of Noah was people constantly devising evil in their hearts and minds, just as it is today.

I believe it's for this purpose that the Bible commands us to think on scripture and meditate on it - Philippians 4:8-9 (doing this with establish peace with God - just as Adam and Eve had. Also, to not give up the fellowship - Hebrews 10:23-25. Again, to seek after God's Righteousness and Kingdom - Matthew 6:25-34.
It's through constant application of these passages that will replace the world's,flesh's and Satans influence with the Holy Spirits influence. The greater the Holy Spirit's influence, the more we are able to love the Lord with all our heart, soul and mind - Matthew 22:37-38.
 
I remember years ago in my country when one mentioned the Mafia they were laughed at.
Satan has a plan but he can't carry anything out without people assisting him.
Yes the Illuminati do exist and you can you tube president Kennedys speech on this subject he made a few weeks before he was assassinated. Too many prominent people attest to this evil to dismiss it.
Satanism is a lot more common than the establishment lead you to believe and is mainly concentrated in ,politics, military and clergy in particular,it is behind all of the major cults,the entertainment industry and anywhere there is money,influence and power.
Freemasonry is a spring board into organized Satanism,which they call Lucifarianism,all high level Satanists were once Masons or Mormons.Youtube the ex satanic high priest and whistle blower William Schnobelen who is now born again and he will explain how`all of this works, also Youtube William Cooper who was naval intelligence and will give you a very detailed run down on the cult called Freemasonry, and the NWO.
Having said all of this most low level Masons are nice men who have no idea what they are involved in.
 
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GaryA said:
"Just the facts, ma'am..."

Stop postulating such broad definitions. Stop using such "absolute-sounding big words" to try to "force-fit" your postulated broad definitions.


God is [ ultimately ] in control -- meaning, nothing happens that He does not allow. He does allow Satan to have a certain 'leeway' within the boundaries that are set by His perfect will and His plans for His creation. Thereby, Satan is "in control" - to a great extent - over all that happens on the earth. As the [ great ] "falling away" proceeds, Satan's control over wordly events increases. However, God is still [ ultimately ] in control over all things.

( "This is a very simple concept Rachel - it is not that difficult to understand..." ;) )


I believe that a view of the earth as thoroughly satanic would certainly be aligned with wide-open 'spiritual' eyes that can see the truth about what "really is" in the world today. The idea presented is not "indistinguishable from gnosticism"... :rolleyes: That is a silly thing to say. You are "reaching" - and "inventing things" - simply to try to discredit other people or their views.


I totally agree that those who "take the mark of the beast" will do so 'willingly'...


:)
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she's was taught a lot of error , very very much error, in bible school, and/or in her other training, and
, well, you've seen the results. she just can't recognize the real truth - it is TOO DIFFICULT to UNDERSTAND , because so many teachers have taught completely in error..... this
doesn't
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effect her.... but others here too that cannot comprehend the deception the enemy has over the whole world, the control over their minds, that the world willingly goes along with,
and
many
bible schools also go along with - being completely deceived also. (like the rcc)
 
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