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I'm confused EG... what is the covenant below? Is this not the New Covenant?

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
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[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; [SUP]22 [/SUP]and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. [SUP]

23 [/SUP]They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

Did this happen at Jesus first advent? If it did. when? I saw him disperse them in 70 AD, I see them still in sin, I see them still as two kingdoms (never having been restored)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
so, then why did God destroy the city and temple in AD 70 and disperse the children of Isreal all over the world for the first time in the hisoty of Israel if he made that covenant with them then?

Syria did nt completely disperse Isreal. neither did Babylon. More jews still lived in the land of Isreal than were dispersed.

The complete dispersion did not occure until 70 AD.

so why then, if God fulfilled that covenant with them, did he disperse them for their sin?

And why, If God said he would write his law in their hearts, and they would sin no more. did they, and ARE THEY continuing in sin? why are they Blinded in part as paul said in romans 11? etc etc
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I don't follow you at all... in my mind, it goes without saying that those verses are the new covenant. Do you think Israel is still under the old covenant?
 
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I don't follow you at all... in my mind, it goes without saying that those verses are the new covenant. Do you think Israel is still under the old covenant?
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No one was ever saved by the Old covenant. Not even OT jews, they have always been saved by the new. (only they looked forward to the new, when the new would be enacted.

so I do not get your point. Did God tell Abraham they had to repent and Trust God for salvation if they wanted the land.

Or did God tell abraham, I give you this land as an eternal posession?

ps. the old covenant was the mosaic, not the abrahamic. so I am confused by why you even bring this up concerning the promise to abraham.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

No one was ever saved by the Old covenant. Not even OT jews, they have always been saved by the new. (only they looked forward to the new, when the new would be enacted.

so I do not get your point. Did God tell Abraham they had to repent and Trust God for salvation if they wanted the land.

Or did God tell abraham, I give you this land as an eternal posession?

ps. the old covenant was the mosaic, not the abrahamic. so I am confused by why you even bring this up concerning the promise to abraham.
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I didn't say anybody was saved by the old covenant and I agree OT Jews were saved exactly the same way we are.

When did/will God write his laws in their hearts?

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
 
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I didn't say anybody was saved by the old covenant and I agree OT Jews were saved exactly the same way we are.

When did/will God write his laws in their hearts?

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
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That has not occured yet.

if it did, Israel would not still be in sin. and we would not be having this discussion

What is so hard for that to uinderstand?

Ez 37 says that will happen, and they will not sin again.

Rom 11 said that will happen at a yet future day (when the times of the gentile is complete)

is it really that hard to comprehend?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
That has not occured yet.

if it did, Israel would not still be in sin. and we would not be having this discussion

What is so hard for that to uinderstand?

Ez 37 says that will happen, and they will not sin again.

Rom 11 said that will happen at a yet future day (when the times of the gentile is complete)

is it really that hard to comprehend?
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What's so hard to understand? Everybody knows the new covenant started when Jesus came.
 
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What's so hard to understand? Everybody knows the new covenant started when Jesus came.
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so then why is israel not in her land?
Why is Israel still sinning?
Why was Israel dispersed in 70 AD?

The new covenant Jesus confirmed was for the world.

He has not yet renewed the covenant with Israel yet. That is a different covenant.

israel (as a nation) is still suffering the penalty of the old covenant (lev 26) because they have not yet repented. and come under the new covenant, where the old no longer applies to them, because they are all saved, and do not mhave to worry about the old.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

so then why is israel not in her land?
Why is Israel still sinning?
Why was Israel dispersed in 70 AD?

The new covenant Jesus confirmed was for the world.

He has not yet renewed the covenant with Israel yet. That is a different covenant.

israel (as a nation) is still suffering the penalty of the old covenant (lev 26) because they have not yet repented. and come under the new covenant, where the old no longer applies to them, because they are all saved, and do not mhave to worry about the old.
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There are only two covenants - save by grace or saved by works. It has always been that way since the beginning and will always be that way. What renewed covenant are you talking about?
 
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There are only two covenants - save by grace or saved by works. It has always been that way since the beginning and will always be that way. What renewed covenant are you talking about?
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we are not talking about salvation. when are you going to understand that.

abrahams gift of land was not salvation. it had nothing to do with salvation. That gift still stands, God called it an eternal gift. with no conditions.

your speaking of two completely different things, until you realise tht, you will never understand .
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
we are not talking about salvation. when are you going to understand that.

abrahams gift of land was not salvation. it had nothing to do with salvation. That gift still stands, God called it an eternal gift. with no conditions.

your speaking of two completely different things, until you realise tht, you will never understand .
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Please try once again to answer this question,Do Jewish Christians who became part of the church LOSE the land promise? Did the apostles LOSE the land promise because they became Christian and part of the church?
 
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KJV1611 said:
I'm confused EG... what is the covenant below? Is this not the New Covenant?

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
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No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”[SUP][c]

You should have quoted the next two verses. Who is the ALL in they will all know me?[/SUP]
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
we are not talking about salvation. when are you going to understand that.

abrahams gift of land was not salvation. it had nothing to do with salvation. That gift still stands, God called it an eternal gift. with no conditions.

your speaking of two completely different things, until you realise tht, you will never understand .
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Below is the covenant to Abraham. It was not given to physical Israel, it was given to Christ and all those that are in Christ. The land is our inheritance... saved Jews and saved Gentiles. It is not a separate covenant, it is the inheritance that saved people get.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Where do you get physical Israel out of that?
 
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There are only two covenants - save by grace or saved by works. It has always been that way since the beginning and will always be that way. What renewed covenant are you talking about?
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And is it impossible, for God in his sovereign plan to turn all Jews living at a time in the future to accept Christ as their saviour and accept grace. Does God have the right to do that or does he not?
 
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And is it impossible, for God in his sovereign plan to turn all Jews living at a time in the future to accept Christ as their saviour and accept grace. Does God have the right to do that or does he not?
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Of course he has the right. But God already told us that only a remnant would be saved. He never says all of physical Israel will be saved.
 
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Of course he has the right. But God already told us that only a remnant would be saved. He never says all of physical Israel will be saved.
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A few, up until the time God, in his sovereign plan brings them to look on him whom they pierced, at that time they will all mourn, God will open their eyes, and each clan will accept Christ as their Saviour.

Please put away the theological mindset, and accept the huge swathes of prophecies concerning all of this in simple childlike faith.
 
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Please try once again to answer this question,Do Jewish Christians who became part of the church LOSE the land promise? Did the apostles LOSE the land promise because they became Christian and part of the church?
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1. Tha land promise was given to a nation. not induviduals. according to lev 26 As a nation they had to walk in gods precepts in order to have the land.
2. The apostles and alll jews were kicked out of the land in AD 70. because the nation failed.

Your questions make no sense, because it was never an individual promise. it was a land promise. Daniel was saved, Yet he was taken captive, Because his PEOPLE rebelled against God.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Below is the covenant to Abraham. It was not given to physical Israel, it was given to Christ and all those that are in Christ. The land is our inheritance... saved Jews and saved Gentiles. It is not a separate covenant, it is the inheritance that saved people get.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Where do you get physical Israel out of that?
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below is the other part of the covenant given to abraham

Gen 15
[SUP]18 [/SUP]On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— [SUP]19 [/SUP]the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, [SUP]20 [/SUP]the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, [SUP]21 [/SUP]the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”


Gen 17
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

Where do you get eternal salvation for ANYONE out of that?
 
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A few, up until the time God, in his sovereign plan brings them to look on him whom they pierced, at that time they will all mourn, God will open their eyes, and each clan will accept Christ as their Saviour.

Please put away the theological mindset, and accept the huge swathes of prophecies concerning all of this in simple childlike faith.
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Michael you think that "They shall look on him whom they pierced" is a future event... it's not. John tells us that was fulfilled on the day Jesus died.

Joh 19:33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
Joh 19:35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
Joh 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Of course he has the right. But God already told us that only a remnant would be saved. He never says all of physical Israel will be saved.
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He did in romans 11..Ez 237 and many other OT passages.

Did you even read? I proved that was physical isreal. you do not get a doctrine off of one verse, you must take context into account, I proved in context. there is a remnant, they are blinded in part. but when the times of the gentiles is completed ALL ISREAL will be saved.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

1. Tha land promise was given to a nation. not induviduals. according to lev 26 As a nation they had to walk in gods precepts in order to have the land.
2. The apostles and alll jews were kicked out of the land in AD 70. because the nation failed.

Your questions make no sense, because it was never an individual promise. it was a land promise. Daniel was saved, Yet he was taken captive, Because his PEOPLE rebelled against God.
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It's a very simple question,it is a YES OR NO question,Jewish Christians are part of Israel,Do they who are believers LOSE the land promise?
 
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