But that's just your opinion on the matter, it's no good engaging me in this area of expertize because i'm not that well versed in such matters, i know basic scripture i can discern and ponder basic scripture, what you need is someone to stand toe to toe with you on this matter, then i could learn and discern through learned ones, you was invited to a disccussion by one of JW earlier in this thread but your reply was 'yawn', golf clap for you chap.