The Christian Fish

[yaright]

To say that Christian Fish is about two people who were afraid to say our Lord's name, is not only a poor representation of a Christian, this teaching is contrary to Christ's teaching. The Christian Fish is about each and every one of us on a personal level. But in order to understand the meaning of the Christian Fish, a person needs to carefully consider both ends of a fishing pole, on a personal level. In the Book of Jeremiah, our Lord said of those who believed they could remain hidden in their sin, that He would teach and send men to fish them out. Jesus said, "Follow Me and I will make you fishers of men"
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[Blain]

ummm I have never heard this fish teaching and I have been around. the fish usually is described as something to do as the rapture although I am not clear as to why. or it is used to describe souls to be saved but two ppl afraid to say the Lords name?

 

[Willie-T]

It's a common "teaching", but it is just "tradition", since we really have nothing to look at to actually know. I like the concept, though.

 

[Elin]

To say that Christian Fish is about two people who were afraid to say our Lord's name, is not only a poor representation of a Christian, this teaching is contrary to Christ's teaching. The Christian Fish is about each and every one of us on a personal level. But in order to understand the meaning of the Christian Fish, a person needs to carefully consider both ends of a fishing pole, on a personal level. In the Book of Jeremiah, our Lord said of those who believed they could remain hidden in their sin, that He would teach and send men to fish them out. Jesus said, "Follow Me and I will make you fishers of men"

The Greek word for "fish" is "ichthus" which forms an acrostic
I = Jesus (Iesous)
CH = Christ (Christos)
TH = God (Theous)
U = Son (Uios)
S = Savior (Soter)

and the fish was used by the early Christians to avoid persecution and death.

 

[MyLighthouse]

Hummm....interesting. I always wondered about the fish.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Hey I never noticed this.

Where when he speaks of them corrupting themselves when making to themsleves a graven image, in the similitude of any figure or likeness it included the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth.

How about that? lol

I was looking up fish and I fell upon that is all.

 

[Elin]

Hey I never noticed that when he spoke of them corrupting themselves when making to themsleves a graven image, in the similitude of any figure
or likeness it included the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth.

How about that? lol

I was looking up fish and I fell upon that is all.

Do you think it was a graven image, or a secret code by which they identified themselves to one another during the times of peril?

 

[DesiredHaven]

Do you think it was a graven image, or a secret code by which they identified themselves to one another during the times of peril?

Couldnt tell ya, sure beats me, because I never even heard of "a christian" fish

I have seen some weird stuff on papal fish hats and all and Im typically good with weird, but I have my own limits.

lol

 

[Elin]

Couldnt tell ya, sure beats me, because I never even heard of "a christian" fish

I have seen some weird stuff on papal fish hats and all and Im typically good with weird, but I have my own limits.

lol

You haven't seen them on cars and stuff to indicate Christian?

 

[DesiredHaven]

You haven't seen them on cars and stuff to indicate Christian?

Ive seen fish and rainbows, God made both, although it was my husband (an unbeliever) who informed me that the christian symbol is the fish and the gay symbol is the rainbow.

I blow that stuff off because that just made no sense, like somebody just grabbed a symbol (in this case a fish) and threw it on a bumper sticker (hoping the idea would stick) in that way (as a christian thing, in whichever sect does that) but nothing more then that.

The same with certain folks hyjacking the rainbow, so what? Gods bow (of promise) belongs to Sodom and Gomorrah now?

Its all pretty tacky (at least it is to me).

 

[Elin]

Ive seen fish and rainbows, God made both, although it was my husband (an unbeliever) who informed me that the christian symbol is the fish and the gay symbol is the rainbow.

I blow that stuff off because that just made no sense, like somebody just grabbed a symbol (in this case a fish) and threw it on a bumper sticker (hoping the idea would stick) in that way (as a christian thing, in whichever sect does that) but nothing more then that.

The same with certain folks hyjacking the rainbow, so what? Gods bow (of promise) belongs to Sodom and Gomorrah now?

Its all pretty tacky (at least it is to me).

The fish goes back to the early church and its time of persecution by Rome,
when they worshipped in the catacombs for hiding.

 

[DesiredHaven]

The fish goes back to the early church and its time of persecution by Rome,
when they worshipped in the catacombs for hiding.

I wouldnt have known christains were making fish images that far back, I only just saw how it is mentioned in scripture not to do that graven wise in the oT (but not that christian themselves had adopted doing that so early on) for whatever reason they did.

Because I was more under the impression (at least through scripture) that the preaching circumcision was that which would cause the persecution of the cross to cease, not fish symbols.

Unless that was just with the Jews, but this other thing the rose up to kill christians out of the fish hat catholic thing ceased their own persecution of christians if it saw some fish image (or something)?

I can only guess, I'm not really intuned with all image hyjacking out there, I'm pretty much in the dark about all of this.

 

[MarcR]

To say that Christian Fish is about two people who were afraid to say our Lord's name, is not only a poor representation of a Christian, this teaching is contrary to Christ's teaching. The Christian Fish is about each and every one of us on a personal level. But in order to understand the meaning of the Christian Fish, a person needs to carefully consider both ends of a fishing pole, on a personal level. In the Book of Jeremiah, our Lord said of those who believed they could remain hidden in their sin, that He would teach and send men to fish them out. Jesus said, "Follow Me and I will make you fishers of men"
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Ι Ἰησῦς ,,,,,,,,,,,,,Jesus

Χ Χριστός ,,,,,,,,,,Christ

Θ Θεοῦ,,,,,,,,,,,,of God

Υ Ὑιός,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Son

Σ Σωτήρ,,,,,,,Savior

ἸΧΘΥʹΣ,,,,,,,,,FISH

The sign of the fish in the early Church was simply an acrostic on [Jesus Christ God's Son, Savior]

 

[Elin]

I wouldnt have known christains were making fish images that far back, I only just saw how it is mentioned in scripture not to do that graven wise in the oT (but not that christian themselves had adopted doing that so early on) for whatever reason they did.

Because I was more under the impression (at least through scripture) that the preaching circumcision was that which would cause the persecution of the cross to cease, not fish symbols.

I'm not referring to the Jew's persecution of the new church,
but to its later persecution after the apostles by Rome, where all those who didn't acknowledge the Roman Emperor as God, were put to death.

It was during that time that Christians secretly identified themselves in public with the acrostic "fish."

 

[DesiredHaven]

My husband put skull and bones symbol on his ford truck

He used to have to work in Philadelphia alot (in some really bad areas) and he purchased a skull and bones plate for the front of his vehicle (which he sees that as his good luck charm against those who would rob him) and perceive the skull and bones image as a voodoo thing). As if he would curse those who would rob him (lol)

No kidding either, my husband wouldnt do such a thing (or put any voodoo hex on anyone he isnt into that sort of thing. However, he believes that they (in the neighborhoods he used to enter) believe in the power of that (and wearing that image (in a sort of "in your face" kind of way) given what the images represent to them holds a power power to deter them from him, so he used it against them (in otherwords). Like, he adopts the image (to himself) according to their own beliefs just to deter those who might believe in the same, so they who would fear it would also be dumb enough fear him ( believing him to be a vessel which exercises the power they fear).

Did I say that right?

Anyway my husband is guilty of that, I drive his truck around (as a christian) without a fish but skull and bones on it LOL

How weird is that right? lol

 

[DesiredHaven]

I'm not referring to the Jew's persecution of the new church,
but to its later persecution after the apostles by Rome, where all those who didn't acknowledge the Roman Emperor as God, were put to death.

It was during that time that Christians secretly identified themselves in public with the acrostic "fish."

Yeah I figured that was in my following sentence,

" Unless that was just with the Jews, but this other thing the rose up to kill christians out of the fish hat catholic thing ceased their own persecution of christians if it saw some fish image (or something)?"

Weird stuff

 

[p_rehbein]

Are you guys talking about the "fish" symbol? If so, then this is all really weird....................

When Rome outlawed Christianity, and was hunting down and imprisoning and killing believers, it was used as a way for believers to identify themselves to other believers. Drawing the fish symbol in the dirt with their toes, so if a soldier or someone they did not trust came by, it could easily be wiped away.

The Book of Revelation was written in symbolic language that was understood at the time for much the same reason.


(What I was taught, and found through researching...............for what it's worth)

 

[Elin]

My husband put skull and bones symbol on his ford truck

He used to have to work in Philadelphia alot (in some really bad areas) and he purchased a skull and bones plate for the front of his vehicle (which he sees that as his good luck charm against those who would rob him) and perceive the skull and bones image as a voodoo thing). As if he would curse those who would rob him (lol)

No kidding either, my husband wouldnt do such a thing (or put any voodoo hex on anyone he isnt into that sort of thing. However, he believes that they (in the neighborhoods he used to enter) believe in the power of that (and wearing that image (in a sort of "in your face" kind of way) given what the images represent to them holds a power power to deter them from him, so he used it against them (in otherwords). Like, he adopts the image (to himself) according to their own beliefs just to deter those who might believe in the same, so they who would fear it would also be dumb enough fear him ( believing him to be a vessel which exercises the power they fear).

Did I say that right?

Anyway my husband is guilty of that, I drive his truck around (as a christian) without a fish but skull and bones on it LOL

How weird is that right? lol

Skull and bones mean only what they mean to those who see them.

They don't mean that to you and your husband so it doesn't matter that you use them.

However, using their own beliefs to further his safety might come under "wise as serpents."

 

[DesiredHaven]

Skull and bones mean only what they mean to those who see them.

They don't mean that to you and your husband so it doesn't matter that you use them.

However, using their own beliefs to further his safety might come under "wise as serpents."

Thanks for thinking the best here Elin, he just come in from outside after mowing the lawn here and I was telling him what we were talking about (me and you) and about how I told you how he uses the skull and cross bones image (and he said, "yep, cause of their crazy voodoo beliefs, and so I use that against them") but he also just corrected me telling me that I am wrong, about having it on this truck. I saw it on one truck (when I looked) it wasnt on this one, it was on his work truck (which he would take into that area).

He just told me he has a "Flyers plate" (hockey) on this one and no skull and bones.

And here I am thinking I have been driving around with a skull and cross bones lol!

And he is sitting here telling me the fish symbol is a catholic symbol?

He is an ex catholic, and he is telling me what he thinks he knows (although I dont know) only what he just told me. But he doesnt even know what on earth they teach he only mockingly does these "motions" and says thats all I even know of all my childhood years in that church.

He cant stand any of that, said he hadnt learned anythingh that made any sense but weird moves he has no idea what they even meant.

Crazy, but none in my family can tell ya a blessed thing they learned in it either.

But anyway... I stand corrected on that little detail, I recall it being on the truck when he pointed it out to me, but I forgot which one, I dont pay too much attention to things, but its not on our current truck lol

 

[twotwo]

To say that Christian Fish is about two people who were afraid to say our Lord's name, is not only a poor representation of a Christian, this teaching is contrary to Christ's teaching. The Christian Fish is about each and every one of us on a personal level. But in order to understand the meaning of the Christian Fish, a person needs to carefully consider both ends of a fishing pole, on a personal level. In the Book of Jeremiah, our Lord said of those who believed they could remain hidden in their sin, that He would teach and send men to fish them out. Jesus said, "Follow Me and I will make you fishers of men"
There is more....

The only fish story that I am aware of are Catholics who eat fish every Friday!