The Christian Fish

yaright · Mar 28, 2015

Originally Posted by yaright

In Jeremiah 16, speaking of people who believed they could be hidden in their sin, is it said that our Lord will teach men to fish them out, and hunters to hunt them. In the New Testament Jesus said, "Follow Me and I will make you fishers of men." I can actually go into more detail how the Christian Fish is about each and every one of us.

I'll share this the same way I give witness in the streets. Take pause to consider each part personally.

Have you ever heard the expression, "Don't go there"

Well, we all 'went there'

But God made that 'place' so that we could be redeemed

I did not know to say it that way until may own salvation and two places in the bible.

In the Old Testament, a prophet named Habakkuk asked God, "Why do You make men like fish of the sea; like creatures who wonder as if they have no ruler over them?"

In the fulfillment of the words of the prophets, Jesus said,

"Follow Me and I will make you fishers of men"

listen

Because we 'went there'

The teaching of the Christian Fish has a name..., yours.

When you see (hint), draw the image of the Christian Fish in that space.

I am going to speak a picture for you

Draw a line on a piece of paper. Above that line centered, write "Fishers of men" Below the line write
"Men like (hint) of the sea"

There is a before and after which pertains to each and every one of use. The teaching of the Christian fish is far more personal. Many who have seen the picture (of words I have shared with you) I drew for them, said, "Why weren't we able to see that before?"

yaright · Mar 28, 2015

p_rehbein said:

Are you guys talking about the "fish" symbol? If so, then this is all really weird....................

When Rome outlawed Christianity, and was hunting down and imprisoning and killing believers, it was used as a way for believers to identify themselves to other believers. Drawing the fish symbol in the dirt with their toes, so if a soldier or someone they did not trust came by, it could easily be wiped away.

The Book of Revelation was written in symbolic language that was understood at the time for much the same reason.

(What I was taught, and found through researching...............for what it's worth)

Are you saying you found what you have said here, in the bible?

yaright · Mar 28, 2015

twotwo said:

Well, you might have something here; did you ask them if they went fishing in the streets?

yaright · Mar 28, 2015

MarcR said:

What, on a personal level, does this have to do with Jesus fulfilling the words of the prophets and the law? Could you show me where you found this in the bible pertaining to the purpose of why Jesus was sent? Jesus said, "Follow Me and I will make you fishers of men" Is Jesus sent to fish for Himself when He clearly said, "Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men"

Viligant_Warrior · Mar 28, 2015

yaright said:

Have you ever seen a store-front shop with nothing but a sign picturing a coffee pot over the door? It isn't a coffee house. It's an AA meeting place. They do that so people who may know the AA members don't know what they're doing going in that "shop," it being an anonymous program.

In the same way, this ...

... over a Roman doorway meant a house church met there. It was dangerous to admit to being a Christian in Rome. You could wind up facing a lion, or a gladiator, with nothing to protect you but the clothes on your back and the chains tying you down to a 10-foot radius.

That's why the icquß (ichthus) was "popular." It had nothing to do with being " ... about each and every one of us on a personal level." Your premise is way off base of the facts.

posthuman · Mar 28, 2015

i don't fish, but let me see if i've got a couple facts straight:

fish don't clean themselves, the Fisherman chooses which He will keep, and He cleans them.

the Fisherman cleans a fish after He catches it, not before.

that right?

yaright · Mar 28, 2015

Viligant_Warrior said:

When I give witness in the streets, the last thing I am worried about is my life. What you seem to be saying is that it is ok to lose your very soul because you were more worried about losing your life. Jesus spoke of that. But I understand what you are saying; many are the christian churches teach that it's the right thing to do; to not give witness because you are afraid for your life.

Elin · Mar 28, 2015

yaright said:

When I give witness in the streets, the last thing I am worried about is my life. What you seem to be saying is that
it is ok to lose your very soul because you were more worried about losing your life. Jesus spoke of that. But I understand what you are saying; many are the christian churches teach that it's the right thing to do; to not give witness because you are afraid for your life.

Jesus said otherwise in Mt 10:23.

posthuman · Mar 28, 2015

yaright said:

not all bravado is wisdom.

After this, Jesus went around in Galilee. He did not want to go about in Judea
because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him.
(John 7:1)

consider - did Christ sin to avoid Judea because the leaders there sought to kill Him?
but He willingly went at the appointed time, that time appointed by God, not by the men who wished Him violence.

yaright · Mar 28, 2015

posthuman said:

If you want to extend the understanding, it helps to have the mindset of a fisherman; and what takes place when a man hears the word of God and believes. A person dies away from the things which seemed right to him; much like a fish dies way from the thing which are natural to it. A fisherman prepares a fish over fire; The Spirit of God prepares the man by fire. Only when a fisherman has prepare the fish by fire can the fish be considered as food. Only when a man is prepared by fire does he become food for God's people. The teaching of fishers of men isn't nearly as shallow as many have made it out to be.

DesiredHaven · Mar 28, 2015

posthuman said:

Paul too, took off over being apprehended

2 Cr 11: 32-33 In Damascus the governor under Aretas the king kept the city of the Damascenes with a garrison, desirous to apprehend me: And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands.

I'd be like, "Later gator"

Although, I cant run very fast now adays lol

yaright · Mar 28, 2015

posthuman said:

Did Jesus die for your sins, hypocrite. There were things Jesus needed to complete before He GAVE HIS LIFE FOR YOU

Viligant_Warrior · Mar 28, 2015

yaright said:

I'm flabbergasted that you get that from what I posted. I haven't a clue how you could possibly conclude I endorse "losing your soul in favor of your life" by posting the actual known history of the symbol.

Let me clarify, in case your misinterpretation of my post is honestly how you reacted to it. You, trying to make the ...

... something it is not, is a waste of your time and effort. The ichthus means nothing to us beyond being a symbol of the tenacity to which First Century Christians went to keep their hope and faith alive. There is no "hidden meaning" or "double meaing" for the symbol. It was a "yard sign" to let Christians know there was a church there. Nothing more. Nothing less. If you make it something else, you're on your own, out on a limb, sawing it off between you and the tree.

Elin · Mar 28, 2015

yaright said:

posthuman said:

Did Jesus die for your sins, hypocrite.
There were things Jesus needed to complete before He GAVE HIS LIFE FOR YOU

Would that not also apply to the work of God's servants, as seen in Mt 10:23 and 2Co 11:32-33?

MarcR · Mar 28, 2015

yaright said:

Where in the Bible does it talk about commuting to work in a motor vehicle. You won't find anything about it but it is neither pagan nor improper.

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 28, 2015

posthuman said:

I do fish, and yes that's usually how it works, unless of course you can get your wife to clean them for you. But I must admit that idea never took hold with my wife. LOL

One day while fishing I met an old wise fisherman who told me, "you know, it only takes 2 jerks to catch a fish.....one at both ends of the line." Later I thought to myself, "did that old man call me a jerk?" LOL

DesiredHaven · Mar 28, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

LOL! Unless he meant the fish would jerk the line and the fisherman (you) would jerk him up?

Unless you just gave him a good reason to call ya a jerk? LOL

InSpiritInTruth · Mar 28, 2015

DesiredHaven said:

Yeah, I guess it's all in how one might interpret it.

crossnote · Mar 28, 2015

The unchristian fish...
a hellibut...

posthuman · Mar 29, 2015

yaright said:

All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.
(Luke 4:28-30)

At this they tried to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him, because his hour had not yet come.
(John 7:30)

Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.
(John 10:39)

maybe your brothers and sisters have things to complete as well .. ?
did David lay his head on the chopping block for Saul, tempting God, or did he flee and hide in the caves, and among his enemies?
did Christ throw himself down from the temple, as Satan tempted Him to?

what Jah has purposed will surely come to pass, in the time He set for it. i am only saying that i do not think it is my place to accuse the early church of having 'lost its soul' or of being 'hypocrites' just because they met in secret and used the sign of the fish to mark where they could safely gather. my God sees what is done in secret, and rewards openly, but who does their works in order to be seen by men, He said they have already received their reward in full.

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