Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine and St. Thomas: Masters of Theology
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I didn't speak about the "christian form of asceticism", but about the practice of physical penitences. It is not the same thing. I think the gnostics also were influenced by platonicism and stoicism. The european culture is highly influenced by the Roman and Greeks, not by the gnostics.
In Christianity, the body not only it is not despised, but the christians held to the belief and hope that their bodies will be resurrected.
In Christianity, the body not only it is not despised, but the christians held to the belief and hope that their bodies will be resurrected.
To be fair, that would depend on who you talk to, about the body being despised. Many point to the body as a temple, as Paul did, to support the idea that one must take care of their body.
And by resurrected, they mean the body after it has passed away, resurrected at the last judgment. It is HOPE for a better existence WITH a body.
And by resurrected, they mean the body after it has passed away, resurrected at the last judgment. It is HOPE for a better existence WITH a body.
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Is it possible Paul himself, who wrote this, was influenced? That's the point - the writers and later those who read them, drew ideas from other places. Perhaps subtly and even unconsciously. Psychology is starting show that when we have an original idea, it can be traced back to a previous understanding - that we may have forgotten, but made its way into our work.
After all, did Paul not debate with Greek philosophers? He had a direct source.
After all, did Paul not debate with Greek philosophers? He had a direct source.
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Certainly! now, the statements would be in the form of language, I think you would agree. And, language is affected by time and place, culture, etc... so, for example, when John writes 'logos' in the opening verse, that word has baggage, history... and some of that history is from the greek philosophers... so I've read...
Not according to Jn 3:6; Ro 1:18, 5:9; Eph 5:6; Col 3:6; 1Th 1:10; Rev 9:15, where it is about disobedience.
It "touches" (violates) his law (Mt 22:37-38) and is subject to his justice for disobedience of it (Eph 5:6).
Agreed. . .they are useless as a remedy for one's sin.
Only faith in the blood of Jesus Christ can save (Ro 3:25) one from God's wrath on the guilt of sin.
It "touches" (violates) his law (Mt 22:37-38) and is subject to his justice for disobedience of it (Eph 5:6).
Agreed. . .they are useless as a remedy for one's sin.
Only faith in the blood of Jesus Christ can save (Ro 3:25) one from God's wrath on the guilt of sin.
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Salvation is a two fold process.
One must be justified (his penalty taken care of) before they can start to be spiritually healed (sanctified)
there will be no healing of any spiritual illness if one is not first declared judicially cleared of the penalty of sin.
And spiritual healing does not occur overnight, if it did, everyone who got saved would immediately be sinless, and never worry about anything ever again and they would continually be a person who is loving others 100% and never thinks of self.
Judicial aspect of salvation is forever the moment one is saved.
Medical, or spiritual healing part of salvation will not be complete until we enter heaven. it is a lifelong process which will not be realized in this lifetime.
One must be justified (his penalty taken care of) before they can start to be spiritually healed (sanctified)
there will be no healing of any spiritual illness if one is not first declared judicially cleared of the penalty of sin.
And spiritual healing does not occur overnight, if it did, everyone who got saved would immediately be sinless, and never worry about anything ever again and they would continually be a person who is loving others 100% and never thinks of self.
Judicial aspect of salvation is forever the moment one is saved.
Medical, or spiritual healing part of salvation will not be complete until we enter heaven. it is a lifelong process which will not be realized in this lifetime.
Only if you don't believe Paul's testimony that what he wrote was received from Jesus Christ personally,
and don't believe 2Tim 3:16. . .keeping in mind that Peter grouped Paul's writings with
"the other Scriptures" (2Pe 3:16), showing that even in apostolic times the NT writings were considered
Scripture (1Tim 5:18 quotes the NT in Lk 10:7 as Scripture).
and don't believe 2Tim 3:16. . .keeping in mind that Peter grouped Paul's writings with
"the other Scriptures" (2Pe 3:16), showing that even in apostolic times the NT writings were considered
Scripture (1Tim 5:18 quotes the NT in Lk 10:7 as Scripture).
The word "logos" is more expressive than you make it look. Saint John says that Jesus Christ is the divine logos in a world dominated by very sophisticated greek philosophy. All the wisdom of the greeks become pale in front of the great wisdom of God (wisdom and love expressed not through books, but through the divine Logos -Jesus Christ).
For God so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten Son (not some philosophical books).
For God so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten Son (not some philosophical books).