Do people actually speak in Tongues (for real) anymore?

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Id like to see a scripture on false tongues, explaining false tongues and how to distinguish it from real tongues or just a scripture that says there is false tongues, that'd be great. Thanks.

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Matthew 24:24

False messiahs and false prophets will appear. They will work spectacular, miraculous signs and do wonderful things to deceive, if possible, even those whom God has chosen.


2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

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The man of sin will come with the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous and wonderful signs. But they will be lies. 10He will use everything that God disapproves of to deceive those who are dying, those who refused to love the truth that would save them. 11That's why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie. 12Then everyone who did not believe the truth, but was delighted with what God disapproves of, will be condemned.
 
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If you don't know of one its okay to say "I don't know of one."

I'm looking for scripture because I'm not looking for mans opinion on the subject.
If you will not believe 1 Cor 13:8 what will you believe? Acts 19ish The vagabond Jews, the sons of Sceva who went about exorcising spirits but did not do so by the Holy Spirit?

Marvel not that satan himself shall be transformed to appear as an angel of light.

Three chapters in 1 Cor does lay out the specific guidelines for how tongues are to operate in the church. Who is to be present and how the order shall go. It also places a low priority on tongues in relation to the other gifts. Not that really matters you already have your opinion.

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If you will not believe 1 Cor 13:8 what will you believe? Acts 19ish The vagabond Jews, the sons of Sceva who went about exorcising spirits but did not do so by the Holy Spirit?

Marvel not that satan himself shall be transformed to appear as an angel of light.

Three chapters in 1 Cor does lay out the specific guidelines for how tongues are to operate in the church. Who is to be present and how the order shall go. It also places a low priority on tongues in relation to the other gifts. Not that really matters you already have your opinion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I'm not saying your wrong, I don't have an opinion if there is false tongues. I'm just wanting to know of the source of this statement 'false tongues' If its not from the bible, there where has it come from?
We all have our opinions mate, we all have our interpretations we believe is true.

And gracerthroughfaithinchrist, I think you have misapplied that 2 thess scripture but that's just my opinion.
 

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But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit
Jude 20


Ephesians 2:18 - For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

1 Corinthians 14:15
- What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Ephesians 5:18 - And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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Did you read John 20? Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit on those present. No manifestation present just a salvation experience for those who received the Holy Spirit.[/COLOR]
Yes I read John 20. John 7:39 calls the holy spirit "rivers of living water" and says the holy spirit was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified. IOW, it would be given when he ascended and went to the Father.
Peter already had the Holy Spirit when he spoke at Pentecost. Peter was filled with the Holy Spirit not baptized in Acts 2 and the Greek clearly spells it out that way. The miracle was that those present heard in their own languages not that Peter or anyone else spoke in those languages.
Just look carefully at the text and see that Peter was filled phileto not bapto in the Greek.
If that cannot be demonstrated from the scripture then it is not really a fact.

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Why did Jesus tell them to tarry at Jerusalem - to wait for the promise of the Father? That they would be baptized with the holy spirit not many days hence. Happened on the day of Pentecost - they were immersed, they were filled with holy spirit and manifested the evidence as the Spirit gave them utterance. The miracle - God gave them the languages of the people present so that they could hear them magnify God. If Peter and the apostles didn't speak the languages how did they hear them and why did they think they were drunk?

 
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[video=youtube;d3latP4okhU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3latP4okhU[/video]

Matthew 24:24

False messiahs and false prophets will appear. They will work spectacular, miraculous signs and do wonderful things to deceive, if possible, even those whom God has chosen.


2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

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The man of sin will come with the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous and wonderful signs. But they will be lies. 10He will use everything that God disapproves of to deceive those who are dying, those who refused to love the truth that would save them. 11That's why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie. 12Then everyone who did not believe the truth, but was delighted with what God disapproves of, will be condemned.
I believe I posted in #98 how these jerkings, these slain in the Spirit, these holy laughter, holy barking are incorrect - they are NOT from God. God doesn't possess people . . Period.

v12 "Then everyone who did not believe the truth but was delighted with what God disapproves of" - Do you honestly think that God disapproves of us utilizing the gift he has given us?

I am in no way delighted with the "acts" done in the video above - "the Hindu version of the holy spirit" and yes, I have seen some of this type of behavior in our churches today.
 
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Again, as I seem to be saying so often here, we are not the ones who get to decide how, when, where, or why God may act in any manner we either approve of, or disapprove of.

If the glory for anything is being given only to God, and the people affected praise God, and follow Christ because of something we want to say is weird, then how do we justify saying, AS THE PHARISEE DID, that what we are seeing is of the devil (or whatever your favorite denial term is)? Remember, they accused Jesus of working for Satan.

"Yes, but I didn't see this in the Bible." Well, neither had those ancients ever before seen many of the things Jesus did... ANYWHERE. And Jesus did not heal in only one manner. He switched up, and did different things at different times. And then He told us, "You'll do the same things, AND EVEN GREATER than you've seen me do."

Try not to judge by what you see that may scare you or embarrass you, or freak you out, or even just make you uncomfortable. Rather, do as the Bible instructed, and determine things by the spirit glorified in the resulting fruit.
 
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I'm not saying your wrong, I don't have an opinion if there is false tongues. I'm just wanting to know of the source of this statement 'false tongues' If its not from the bible, there where has it come from?
We all have our opinions mate, we all have our interpretations we believe is true.

And gracerthroughfaithinchrist, I think you have misapplied that 2 thess scripture but that's just my opinion.
Let God be the judge, i appreciate your opinion and please accept mine as well.......
Sometimes when a man focuses very intently upon something with only his eyes he often fails to see what is outside of that narrow spectrum of sight but he still perceives his surroundings.
 

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Again, as I seem to be saying so often here, we are not the ones who get to decide how, when, where, or why God may act in any manner we either approve of, or disapprove of.

If the glory for anything is being given only to God, and the people affected praise God, and follow Christ because of something we want to say is weird, then how do we justify saying, AS THE PHARISEE DID, that what we are seeing is of the devil (or whatever your favorite denial term is)? Remember, they accused Jesus of working for Satan.

"Yes, but I didn't see this in the Bible." Well, neither had those ancients ever before seen many of the things Jesus did... ANYWHERE. And Jesus did not heal in only one manner. He switched up, and did different things at different times. And then He told us, "You'll do the same things, AND EVEN GREATER than you've seen me do."

Try not to judge by what you see that may scare you or embarrass you, or freak you out, or even just make you uncomfortable. Rather, do as the Bible instructed, and determine things by the spirit glorified in the resulting fruit.
Sometimes I wonder how Philip explained himself..Brother Philip how did you get here so quickly??...Got teleported.
 

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And yes I accept your opinion, id still give u a big hug if I saw you :) lol
 
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Sometimes I wonder how Philip explained himself..Brother Philip how did you get here so quickly??...Got teleported.
One of our spiritual mentors were former Missionary's to the USSR, before the end of the cold war. They were at a check point and had hidden bibles in their vehicle and lots of information on underground churches, fellow missionaries, Bible and Christian smuggling routes, etc. It was about 11:30AM in the morning. The car in front of them was allowed through and so was the only car behind them. A tank rolled behind their car and after 5 minutes of watching the guards on the phones

Three guards finally came out of the guard shack , had their weapons at the ready and begin walking towards their car and looked like they were going to shoot the car. Our friends begin praying and the last thing they remembered was watching the order given to fire upon their vehicle and hearing the weapons firing and they said they then seemed to be looking at the sun or a bright white light and heard nothing and could not see the guards in front of them.

The white light vanished and they noticed they were still praying, but Ron was now driving and they realized they were only about 1 mile from their original destination to the underground church they were delivering the Bibles to and goign to minister for the week. Ron checked his watch and it had been about 1 hour since they were at the check point.

Ron said they both wept and just praised God. They were approximately 750 miles from the check point in under an hour. The drive with all 4 checkpoints takes about 1.5 days. This trip took less than an hour, including the checkpoint, they assumed they were going to be killed at and the 3 others!!!!!!!!!!! The total trip was about 825 miles.

When they got to the destination they were met with some very surprised saints, who did not expect them for at least a day.
There was not one mark on the car that indicated they had been shot at.

Ron stated this happened several other times, before the left the former USSR.

I have heard many other testimonies like this and other miracles from other missionaries and just one last week from a couple underground in Iran.

Why some limit God is beyond me.
 

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That's amazing mate, a few years ago a good friend of mine returned from China after a number of years of bible smuggling etc. In communist China and the stories he told about what God had did when passing through checkpoints with bibles, being chased by police was simply awesome. Praise God He is able! But i won't boast about another's testimony, I'm still yet to learn to trust God like that haha
 

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Yes I read John 20. John 7:39 calls the holy spirit "rivers of living water" and says the holy spirit was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified. IOW, it would be given when he ascended and went to the Father.
John 20 is after the resurrection of Christ. Nothing to do with "rivers of living water". The living water that flows from the believers is the word of God. They take in in and they give it back out. Witnessing and testifying of Gods saving grace.
Why did Jesus tell them to tarry at Jerusalem - to wait for the promise of the Father? That they would be baptized with the holy spirit not many days hence. Happened on the day of Pentecost - they were immersed, they were filled with holy spirit and manifested the evidence as the Spirit gave them utterance. The miracle - God gave them the languages of the people present so that they could hear them magnify God. If Peter and the apostles didn't speak the languages how did they hear them and why did they think they were drunk?

They were awaiting power to minister. They were saved in the upper room when Jesus breathed upon them the Holy Spirit. They were then filled with the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to declare the word of God to the people assembled in that place. Acts 2 very clearly states that Peter was filled with the Holy Spirit. Filling is a temporary gift of power to minister. Baptism is a one time event that produces eternal life.

And what of those who were mocking? Were they hearing the same message as those who were receiving the word of God from Peter? Or by reason of hardness in their hearts were they given only mocking gibberish?

I suggest that no one today has the rushing wind and cloven tongues of fire in evidence or manifested when they speak in tongues. That would be very impressive.

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John 20 is after the resurrection of Christ. Nothing to do with "rivers of living water". The living water that flows from the believers is the word of God. They take in in and they give it back out. Witnessing and testifying of Gods saving grace.
They were awaiting power to minister. They were saved in the upper room when Jesus breathed upon them the Holy Spirit. They were then filled with the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to declare the word of God to the people assembled in that place. Acts 2 very clearly states that Peter was filled with the Holy Spirit. Filling is a temporary gift of power to minister. Baptism is a one time event that produces eternal life.

And what of those who were mocking? Were they hearing the same message as those who were receiving the word of God from Peter? Or by reason of hardness in their hearts were they given only mocking gibberish?

I suggest that no one today has the rushing wind and cloven tongues of fire in evidence or manifested when they speak in tongues. That would be very impressive.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I can see that this subject has probably run it's course . . .

I do want to post exactly what John 7:38,39 says concerning living waters: He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

So living waters is not "living water that flows from the believers is the word of God" . . .


 
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Speaking in tongues, or better still, singing in tongues.

I have a confession to make, being an analytical mind I do not understand tongues or know what I am saying, but in the outflow of love and praise to the Lord tongues flows. This is the language of love, of praise, of adoration. You do not question, it is your soul pouring out to the Lord, for he is worthy.

My soul lifts to a place I do not understand, but it lifts. God is gracious, God is mysterious, God is spirit. Yes like you I do not believe some who speak, but what I do know is my own spirit and how it lifts. Too little recently I am lost in praise, and this very subject reminds me how much I love my Lord and how much I owe him.

So if you have a tongue, I encourage you to worship him and let your heart flow, because you both benefit.
It is odd to think the Lord appreciates the praise of his people, but that is how a father loves the joy and life of their children, Amen..
 

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Speaking in tongues, or better still, singing in tongues.

I have a confession to make, being an analytical mind I do not understand tongues or know what I am saying, but in the outflow of love and praise to the Lord tongues flows. This is the language of love, of praise, of adoration. You do not question, it is your soul pouring out to the Lord, for he is worthy.

My soul lifts to a place I do not understand, but it lifts. God is gracious, God is mysterious, God is spirit. Yes like you I do not believe some who speak, but what I do know is my own spirit and how it lifts. Too little recently I am lost in praise, and this very subject reminds me how much I love my Lord and how much I owe him.

So if you have a tongue, I encourage you to worship him and let your heart flow, because you both benefit.
It is odd to think the Lord appreciates the praise of his people, but that is how a father loves the joy and life of their children, Amen..
Perfect example of why modern tongues have no biblical credibility.

For all you know you could be "flowing forth" a recipe for dill pickles.

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Speaking in tongues, or better still, singing in tongues.

I have a confession to make, being an analytical mind I do not understand tongues or know what I am saying,..........................
Then what you are doing is neither from God nor His spirit. Paul said tongues must be interpreted for edifying, and he then said let all things be done unto edifying. What you are doing is not bible. God is not the author of confusion. If God isn't writing your material, who else do you think it comes from?

I say this, hopefully, last thing. This whole deal sickens me. If you hear tongues outside of bible instruction and qualification you are hearing satan causing more confusion in the church.

This passage is quoted frequently by those that practice "tongues"....

Mark 16:15-28 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

They shall. That is an order. That means it is going to happen. If you believe Christ was talking about you, that you shall speak tongues, then you must heal people, they must recover, you must pick up snakes, and you must go to the whole world and preach to all creatures.

If you haven't done those things you aren't doing tongues right. You can't say, "well only part of it was meant for me".
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."
You are bottle suckers, choking on meat because you aren't able to chew and digest it. Rightly dividing the word of truth.....you claim to understand a scripture clearly that says you must speak tongues, and then you are mysteriously confused by the next one that just as plainly tells you to heal people.
Here is one of those very clear scriptures that you feign ignorance of.

But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Here Paul spells out gifts and what we should desire: "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."

He lays them out in order of significance with tongues last. I doubt seriously that any of you that defend tongues today are healers, apostles, teachers, miracle workers or interpreters.
Yet Paul tells you they are better and the better ones are the ones to covet. Simply means you aren't doing what God wants by practicing "tongues". There is no mystery here. It isn't hard to understand. It is all about being front and center of attention. It is the old man, your sinful flesh, that is compelling you to do something that God does not tell you to.
 
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Then what you are doing is neither from God nor His spirit. Paul said tongues must be interpreted for edifying, and he then said let all things be done unto edifying. What you are doing is not bible. God is not the author of confusion. If God isn't writing your material, who else do you think it comes from?

I say this, hopefully, last thing. This whole deal sickens me. If you hear tongues outside of bible instruction and qualification you are hearing satan causing more confusion in the church.

This passage is quoted frequently by those that practice "tongues"....

Mark 16:15-28 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

They shall. That is an order. That means it is going to happen. If you believe Christ was talking about you, that you shall speak tongues, then you must heal people, they must recover, you must pick up snakes, and you must go to the whole world and preach to all creatures.
Post #71 by GracethroughfaithinChrist

"Although the vast majority of later Greek manuscripts contain Mark 16:9-20, the Gospel of Mark ends at verse 8 in two of the oldest and most respected manuscripts, the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. As the oldest manuscripts are known to be the most accurate because there were fewer generations of copies from the original autographs (i.e., they are much closer in time to the originals), and the oldest manuscripts do not contain vv. 9-20, we can conclude that these verses were added later by scribes. The King James Version of the Bible, as well as the New King James, contains vv. 9-20 because the King James used medieval manuscripts as the basis of its translation. Since 1611, however, older and more accurate manuscripts have been discovered and they affirm that vv. 9-20 were not in the original Gospel of Mark."

Should Mark 16:9-20 be in the Bible?
And you gave it a like - so why bring it up if the manuscripts are not in the text.

I too was done with this subject until I read what you responded to PeterJens
"Then what you are doing is neither from God nor His spirit. Paul said tongues must be interpreted for edifying, and he then said let all things be done unto edifying. What you are doing is not bible. God is not the author of confusion. If God isn't writing your material, who else do you think it comes from?"

1 Cor. 14:4a He that speaks in an tongue edifieth himself - when you are by yourself your spirit is edified.
(But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.) Interpretation of the tongue is to follow speaking in tongues when in church or in an assembly of believers.

1 Cor. 14:14, 15 For if I pray in an tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. [he that speaks in an tongue speaks not unto men but unto God: [14:2a] What is it then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the understanding also - IOW, Paul would do both.


PeterJens was sharing his heart and his experience and it was according to scripture - it is biblical.
 
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And you gave it a like - so why bring it up if the manuscripts are not in the text.

I too was done with this subject until I read what you responded to PeterJens
"Then what you are doing is neither from God nor His spirit. Paul said tongues must be interpreted for edifying, and he then said let all things be done unto edifying. What you are doing is not bible. God is not the author of confusion. If God isn't writing your material, who else do you think it comes from?"

1 Cor. 14:4a He that speaks in an tongue edifieth himself - when you are by yourself your spirit is edified.
(But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.) Interpretation of the tongue is to follow speaking in tongues when in church or in an assembly of believers.

1 Cor. 14:14, 15 For if I pray in an tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. [he that speaks in an tongue speaks not unto men but unto God: [14:2a] What is it then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the understanding also - IOW, Paul would do both.


PeterJens was sharing his heart and his experience and it was according to scripture - it is biblical.

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i can give a like to whoever i want, whenever i want, your just going to have to deal with it.
 
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LOL,
i can give a like to whoever i want, whenever i want, your just going to have to deal with it.
If you had read and understood what I posted you would have known and seen that I copied and posted the information that YOU gave on the last few chapters of Mark and that Phil liked it . . so I was just wondering why bring it back up if it's not in the original manuscripts.

Who did I cause to stumble?