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Yes prisons should be for rehabilitation but they are not, as the majority of them have gone away from that.
There also should not be lifetime prison sentences, yet a handful of Republicans have been pushing for the past 10-15 years to make all felonies lifetime imprisonment. Which is completely against the ways of God to forgive and have mercy on others.
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I have no problem whatsoever with your view on prison rehabilitation. In fact, I share it. However, Kent's not even being given the opportunity. He's just being given a life sentence. And considering that this is a tax/structuring/mail issue and not say an issue of murder, domestic terrorism involving explosives, or the distribution of large amounts of narcotics; for me, what the government is doing is a problem.
Unreal, what a joke this country is... The mans property is still being disputed if it's still HIS or the irs's ... Since it went through the mail of him putting this in public record going to the court house " because someone wants to buy it and irs is trying to sell it " ... It's considered " mail fraud " .. My goodness..
let the man go home already,
https://goodfishbadfish.wordpress.com/2015/03/09/kent-hovind-mail-fraud-trial/
let the man go home already,
https://goodfishbadfish.wordpress.com/2015/03/09/kent-hovind-mail-fraud-trial/
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Does anyone posting here have proof of Kent Hovind being a:
1 tax evader
2 fraudster
3 false teacher
If so, please provide it.
The silence is deafening.
Here is what Kent Hovind is really about, from a witness.
https://youtu.be/BHouqvRysWE
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
This true Christian minister needs our support.
1 tax evader
2 fraudster
3 false teacher
If so, please provide it.
The silence is deafening.
Here is what Kent Hovind is really about, from a witness.
https://youtu.be/BHouqvRysWE
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
This true Christian minister needs our support.
R
1...hovind's own public statements about not paying his taxes are about as incriminating as you can get...he has openly bragged about not paying any taxes...
2...hovind calls himself 'dr. kent hovind' based on a 'doctorate' he bought from an unaccredited mail order diploma mill...so he has deceived people through the use of fake credentials...
3...hovind teaches numerous conspiracy theories which are false...and while in prison he recently set a date for christ's return...namely on the feast of trumpets in 2028...in violation of the biblical teaching that 'no one knows the day or the hour'
so yes...he is all three...a tax evader and a fraud and a false teacher...
2...hovind calls himself 'dr. kent hovind' based on a 'doctorate' he bought from an unaccredited mail order diploma mill...so he has deceived people through the use of fake credentials...
3...hovind teaches numerous conspiracy theories which are false...and while in prison he recently set a date for christ's return...namely on the feast of trumpets in 2028...in violation of the biblical teaching that 'no one knows the day or the hour'
so yes...he is all three...a tax evader and a fraud and a false teacher...
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um...not everyone has time to respond to online posts within a day...which hardly constitutes a 'deafening silence'...although it doesn't surprise me that a hovindist is having problems with misrepresenting the truth...
in any case see my post above...hovind is one of the more obvious cases of tax evasion and lying and false teaching...if you fall for him you probably can't discern -anything- rightly...
this false brother and all his followers need to be publicly denounced by the churches so that they don't lead anyone else astray with their false teaching...
in any case see my post above...hovind is one of the more obvious cases of tax evasion and lying and false teaching...if you fall for him you probably can't discern -anything- rightly...
this false brother and all his followers need to be publicly denounced by the churches so that they don't lead anyone else astray with their false teaching...
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I agree with you. However, I also believe the punishment should fit the crime. Dr. Dino shouldn't be in prison for the rest of his natural life for being a tax evader, a fraud, and a false teacher. Personally, imo, altogether his crimes do not warrant even his initial sentence of ten years.
Compare Dr. Dino's fairly innocuous case and low financial amounts with the racketeering of Michael Milken involving defrauding investors of 11 billion dollars. He did 22 months in a federal country club and is worth 2.3 billion today. But then Milkin wasn't a Christian [sarcasm intended].
Compare Dr. Dino's fairly innocuous case and low financial amounts with the racketeering of Michael Milken involving defrauding investors of 11 billion dollars. He did 22 months in a federal country club and is worth 2.3 billion today. But then Milkin wasn't a Christian [sarcasm intended].
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the punishment should fit the crime...but the punishment should also fit the level of remorse...so far kent hovind has shown absolutely no remorse for his actions...
i simply don't agree that the criminal justice system has a legal or constitutional duty to put unreformed criminals back on the street...
you mention other criminals and their comparatively light sentences as an argument that hovind is being treated unjustly by the system...but it is really the other way around...the system is dealing with hovind justly...but the system deals with many other criminals unjustly by showing them favoritism and giving them lighter sentences than they deserve...
i simply don't agree that the criminal justice system has a legal or constitutional duty to put unreformed criminals back on the street...
you mention other criminals and their comparatively light sentences as an argument that hovind is being treated unjustly by the system...but it is really the other way around...the system is dealing with hovind justly...but the system deals with many other criminals unjustly by showing them favoritism and giving them lighter sentences than they deserve...
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a follower of kent hovind like you would know about all of these things in detail already...at this point it is clear that you are just trying to waste people's time demanding proof of things you are already aware of...
but for the benefit of people who honestly want to know...
concerning tax evasion...here are quotations from the article "How are evolution, Communism, the new-world order, and the IRS connected?" on hovind's old website...
"I have not filed a 1040 form or kept tax records for over 25 years since no law requires me to do this. Call the IRS and tell them to arrest me if I am breaking a law!"
"I do not pay any money to the IRS for the same reason I do not pay the Italian or French government money; I do not owe them any!"
Creation Science Evangelism
these statements are as close to a public criminal confession as you can get...
apparently someone took hovind up on that offer to call the IRS and get him arrested...
concerning hovind's unaccredited mail order diploma mill 'doctorate'...hovind himself has stated that he got his 'doctorate' from patriot bible university...and it is a matter of public record that this is not an accredited institution...
finally concerning false teaching...here is a quotation from a 'question and answer' section of hovind's self published second 'dissertation' on the end times... the question is "When is The Lord Coming Back?"...here is hovind's 'short answer'...
"During the feast of Trumpets in 2028."
https://web.archive.org/web/20130701015539/http://www.2peter3.com/Books/What on Earth.pdf (very large file that takes several minutes to download)
this kind of date setting is both rejected by scripture and embarrassing to the church...
i could also post hovind's many outlandish and unbiblical and false conspiracy theories here...but showing him to be a creationist harold camping is probably enough for most people to recognize him as a false teacher...
but for the benefit of people who honestly want to know...
concerning tax evasion...here are quotations from the article "How are evolution, Communism, the new-world order, and the IRS connected?" on hovind's old website...
"I have not filed a 1040 form or kept tax records for over 25 years since no law requires me to do this. Call the IRS and tell them to arrest me if I am breaking a law!"
"I do not pay any money to the IRS for the same reason I do not pay the Italian or French government money; I do not owe them any!"
Creation Science Evangelism
these statements are as close to a public criminal confession as you can get...
apparently someone took hovind up on that offer to call the IRS and get him arrested...
concerning hovind's unaccredited mail order diploma mill 'doctorate'...hovind himself has stated that he got his 'doctorate' from patriot bible university...and it is a matter of public record that this is not an accredited institution...
finally concerning false teaching...here is a quotation from a 'question and answer' section of hovind's self published second 'dissertation' on the end times... the question is "When is The Lord Coming Back?"...here is hovind's 'short answer'...
"During the feast of Trumpets in 2028."
https://web.archive.org/web/20130701015539/http://www.2peter3.com/Books/What on Earth.pdf (very large file that takes several minutes to download)
this kind of date setting is both rejected by scripture and embarrassing to the church...
i could also post hovind's many outlandish and unbiblical and false conspiracy theories here...but showing him to be a creationist harold camping is probably enough for most people to recognize him as a false teacher...
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Rachel, that is just a silly and illogical statement.
"Punishment should fit the level of remorse."
So if chop somebody up with an axe, but I FEEL REALLY BAD ABOUT IT...
I should get a lighter sentence?
God never put caveats on the 10 Commandments, stating that offenders could all be rated by their level of remorse.
God never said "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God... unless they feel really sorry."
That's just silly.
It's just silly.
Things like remorse and rehabilitation actually ARE dealt with, TO A DEGREE, but usually AFTER the sentencing. Remorse is usually taken into account at parole hearings. But even this is often just a bizarre endeavor.
If you've ever worked in a prison ministry for 10 seconds, you'd find there are lots of people who aren't remorseful at all, but who admit they're going to FAKE REMORSE in front of the parole board so they can get out early.
Remorse is often just words.
Nobody can tell if someone else is really remorseful anyway... so it' a silly thing to base justice upon.
If you don't like Kent Hovind that's fine.
It's fine to dislike him all you want.
But you don't need to wander off into absurdity to support your opinions.
"Punishment should fit the level of remorse."
So if chop somebody up with an axe, but I FEEL REALLY BAD ABOUT IT...
I should get a lighter sentence?
God never put caveats on the 10 Commandments, stating that offenders could all be rated by their level of remorse.
God never said "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God... unless they feel really sorry."
That's just silly.
It's just silly.
Things like remorse and rehabilitation actually ARE dealt with, TO A DEGREE, but usually AFTER the sentencing. Remorse is usually taken into account at parole hearings. But even this is often just a bizarre endeavor.
If you've ever worked in a prison ministry for 10 seconds, you'd find there are lots of people who aren't remorseful at all, but who admit they're going to FAKE REMORSE in front of the parole board so they can get out early.
Remorse is often just words.
Nobody can tell if someone else is really remorseful anyway... so it' a silly thing to base justice upon.
If you don't like Kent Hovind that's fine.
It's fine to dislike him all you want.
But you don't need to wander off into absurdity to support your opinions.
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I suppose an argument can be made that violent criminals and those who serially and materially defaud/steal the savings of others in society of their goods could be kept incarcerated until such time as they are truly reformed.
However, Kent is not a violent criminal and he's directly defrauded no one of their property. He failed to pay taxes and engaged in disingenuous activites with respect to structuring and the federal mail system around his failure to pay taxes. This should not constitute a life sentence.
You advocate lifetime sentences for every American citizen in a federal prison that fails to pay their taxes and is unrepentant about it. That's totalitarianism and there's nothing just about totalitarianism.
So while you're right that "the system deals with many other criminals unjustly by showing them favoritism and giving them lighter sentences than they deserve," you're wrong that people who fail to pay taxes and are unrepentant about it should all receive life sentences in a federal prison.
However, Kent is not a violent criminal and he's directly defrauded no one of their property. He failed to pay taxes and engaged in disingenuous activites with respect to structuring and the federal mail system around his failure to pay taxes. This should not constitute a life sentence.
You advocate lifetime sentences for every American citizen in a federal prison that fails to pay their taxes and is unrepentant about it. That's totalitarianism and there's nothing just about totalitarianism.
So while you're right that "the system deals with many other criminals unjustly by showing them favoritism and giving them lighter sentences than they deserve," you're wrong that people who fail to pay taxes and are unrepentant about it should all receive life sentences in a federal prison.
Ya know, that's actually a really good point.
If rachel says unreformed criminals should not be put back on the street, that is essentially giving EVERY criminal a LIFE SENTENCE for EVERY CRIME.
It's a nice thought that everybody should be reformed, but if you require it for release, then every criminal gets a life sentence for every crime. It's just completely unreasonable.
I'm not a Kent Hovind fan.
I just think we should keep discussions rational.
If rachel says unreformed criminals should not be put back on the street, that is essentially giving EVERY criminal a LIFE SENTENCE for EVERY CRIME.
It's a nice thought that everybody should be reformed, but if you require it for release, then every criminal gets a life sentence for every crime. It's just completely unreasonable.
I'm not a Kent Hovind fan.
I just think we should keep discussions rational.
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