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Oh...did I get this thread confused with the 'Speak your Mind' thread? just kidding...however, in all seriousness, this:
Jesus said Christians would be known by their love...NOT their doctrine or the Bible they hit others over the head with
This thread is so filled with sarcastic remarks and vitriol from some people towards those who speak in tongues that I do not think anyone would find love in this thread
The topic should not even be in contention...there is only one reason that it is and I brought up the reason in the other thread
How serious does anyone think it is to mock the Holy Spirit? I believe some do so out of ignorance but some here are actually and truly mocking and that is not the Holy Spirit operating through them
For he that speaketh in an tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries. [musterion-secrets] 1 Co. 14:2
IF someone understands the language it is a miracle as on the day of Pentecost when they heard the apostles speaking in their languages and that is up to God.
IF someone understands the language it is a miracle as on the day of Pentecost when they heard the apostles speaking in their languages and that is up to God.
We just see it differently.
I know that when Jesus Christ returns for me that I will have no need for childish things - right now I see through a glass darkly [I don't understand all things, even with scripture] but then I will see clearly - now I only know in part but when he returns I will know even as I am known for I will see him face to face. I will have no need to edify my spirit by speaking in tongues, I will have no need for prophecy, and I will have no need for word of knowledge to be imparted for again I will know even as I am known.
Those things that will abide forever and not vanish away nor fail nor cease are faith, hope, and love.
I know that when Jesus Christ returns for me that I will have no need for childish things - right now I see through a glass darkly [I don't understand all things, even with scripture] but then I will see clearly - now I only know in part but when he returns I will know even as I am known for I will see him face to face. I will have no need to edify my spirit by speaking in tongues, I will have no need for prophecy, and I will have no need for word of knowledge to be imparted for again I will know even as I am known.
Those things that will abide forever and not vanish away nor fail nor cease are faith, hope, and love.
Of course I believe God understands when I speak to him in English . . . What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
The key word - he . . . .? For he [the believer] that speaks in an tongue speaks unto God and in or through the spirit, he [the believer] speaks mysteries [secrets] unto God.
To me it is a "biggie" for we are not to be ignorant of spiritual matters.
The key word - he . . . .? For he [the believer] that speaks in an tongue speaks unto God and in or through the spirit, he [the believer] speaks mysteries [secrets] unto God.
To me it is a "biggie" for we are not to be ignorant of spiritual matters.
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Classic example of a strawman arguement.
peaceful never stated they did not believe God understands them when they speak in English
if this is all no 'biggie' with you, then why continue to present your personal interpretation of biblical passages you feel no longer need to be in scripture
ps...see if you can spot the strawman arguement I just presented to you
I only wish you could see that you contradict yourself in the two paragraphs you wrote.
You can demonstrate no compelling reason for a man to speak to God in a language that he cannot understand. At Pentecost men understood what was being said. Why would Paul state a paradox in 1 Cor 14:2?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You can demonstrate no compelling reason for a man to speak to God in a language that he cannot understand. At Pentecost men understood what was being said. Why would Paul state a paradox in 1 Cor 14:2?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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There is definately some 'biggie' objections going on in this thread to speaking in tongues
If it is no biggie, and if speaking in tongues, being baptized by the Holy Spirit and defining the pattern of scripture with accord to biblical belief, rather then a personal bias, is not a 'biggie', then we are all wasting time in this thread
I for one, have work piled up on my desk...self employed....but I think that this is one of the most important topics being discussed...not speaking in tongues per se, but understanding the purpose for which we are filled with the Holy Spirit
In short, I agree with you peaceful...this is a very BIG biggie...
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When people begin their defence with MY BIBLE it indicates they are referring to personal interpretation
I bet my Bible is exactly like whichever version you are referring to ... I have quite a few versions and many more available online
Sadly though, it really is not YOUR Bible....that is what comes from personal interpretation. The Bible says I can come before God's throne when I pray...telling me to fall on my face is actually your judgement of me.
I bet my Bible is exactly like whichever version you are referring to ... I have quite a few versions and many more available online
Sadly though, it really is not YOUR Bible....that is what comes from personal interpretation. The Bible says I can come before God's throne when I pray...telling me to fall on my face is actually your judgement of me.
Conveniently you misunderstand the question. How can it be beneficial to a man to speak to God in a tongue that the man cannot understand? God does not require enlightenment so any discourse is going to be for the edification of the man not God.
If you should speak all the mysteries of the universe and no one can comprehend them because you speak with a tongue that they cannot understand what has been accomplished? God already knows all the mysteries of the universe, He created them.
One of the purposes of the NT is to reveal the mysteries contained in the OT. To perfect or complete the revelation of God for mankind.
So what is the difference between a straw man and a red herring?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
If you should speak all the mysteries of the universe and no one can comprehend them because you speak with a tongue that they cannot understand what has been accomplished? God already knows all the mysteries of the universe, He created them.
One of the purposes of the NT is to reveal the mysteries contained in the OT. To perfect or complete the revelation of God for mankind.
So what is the difference between a straw man and a red herring?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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That is exactly how it is.
I see over and over why those who do speak in tongues are reluctant to speak of it in front of those who deny the power of God.
I firmly believe that the written word should not be overwritten but I have really had it up to here with those who rip verses out of context and deny that the words say what in fact they say.
Oh we should never become irritated or harsh...oh no...but is ok for them to mock and embarass believers everywhere with their harsh judgement and denial of what they do not have.
Stating over and over that tongues have ceased is absurd.
I see over and over why those who do speak in tongues are reluctant to speak of it in front of those who deny the power of God.
I firmly believe that the written word should not be overwritten but I have really had it up to here with those who rip verses out of context and deny that the words say what in fact they say.
Oh we should never become irritated or harsh...oh no...but is ok for them to mock and embarass believers everywhere with their harsh judgement and denial of what they do not have.
Stating over and over that tongues have ceased is absurd.
Red herring or straw man?
So because you believe it every one must accept your understanding of scriptures even though you are clearly in error?
Make an argument from scripture to support your position. Declare whether tongues are human languages or unknowable languages. Establish some basis from which a reasoned debate can be formed.
Just checked 1 Cor 13:8 is still there.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
So because you believe it every one must accept your understanding of scriptures even though you are clearly in error?
Make an argument from scripture to support your position. Declare whether tongues are human languages or unknowable languages. Establish some basis from which a reasoned debate can be formed.
Just checked 1 Cor 13:8 is still there.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For he that speaketh in an tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries. [musterion-secrets] 1 Co. 14:2 (He that speaks = man - the man speaking doesn't understand)
Break it down: For he [the man] that speaketh in an tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man [he] doesn't understand howbeit [because] in the spirit he [the man] speaks mysteries which is in line with For if I pray in an tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful [14:14]
IF someone [not the one speaking - someone in the assembly] understands the language, it is a miracle as on the day of Pentecost when they heard the apostles speaking in their languages and that is up to God.
The apostles DID NOT KNOW the language they spoke - they spoke as the Spirit gave them utterance - AGAIN that is why the people were CONFOUNDED because that every man heard the apostles speak in his own language - the apostles did not KNOW the language - the people were AMAZED and stated - Aren't these men Galileans? Basically, how are they speaking in our languages the wonderful works of God?
This is really fruitless because you doubt all of this . . . I can only hope someone reading may be learning something!!
Break it down: For he [the man] that speaketh in an tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man [he] doesn't understand howbeit [because] in the spirit he [the man] speaks mysteries which is in line with For if I pray in an tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful [14:14]
IF someone [not the one speaking - someone in the assembly] understands the language, it is a miracle as on the day of Pentecost when they heard the apostles speaking in their languages and that is up to God.
The apostles DID NOT KNOW the language they spoke - they spoke as the Spirit gave them utterance - AGAIN that is why the people were CONFOUNDED because that every man heard the apostles speak in his own language - the apostles did not KNOW the language - the people were AMAZED and stated - Aren't these men Galileans? Basically, how are they speaking in our languages the wonderful works of God?
This is really fruitless because you doubt all of this . . . I can only hope someone reading may be learning something!!
You misunderstood my (no biggie) to me statement.....You said....I see it different...my remark was aimed at that....IE...believe as you wish as what you believe will not change my mind and what I believe will not change your mind so NO BIGGIE to me......
As far as the other statement....I said what I said because I took away from your quote and highlighted portion that the reason you justify speaking in tongues is because you are speaking unto GOD......You know I have no issue with you so....don't misread my response and or think there is any heat and or attitude found there in.....!
Originally Posted by peacefulbeliever
For he that speaketh in an tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries. [musterion-secrets] 1 Co. 14:2
IF someone understands the language it is a miracle as on the day of Pentecost when they heard the apostles speaking in their languages and that is up to God.
As far as the other statement....I said what I said because I took away from your quote and highlighted portion that the reason you justify speaking in tongues is because you are speaking unto GOD......You know I have no issue with you so....don't misread my response and or think there is any heat and or attitude found there in.....!
IF someone understands the language it is a miracle as on the day of Pentecost when they heard the apostles speaking in their languages and that is up to God.